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    Exclamation California GOP ponders way forward after stunning losses

    LOL - Haven't got any answers for them, except that becoming "Progressive Lites" isn't going to work.

    Demographics are destiny, California can look forward to one party rule for the foreseeable future.

    Of course, the wealthy progs are bailing out of the mess they created and moving by the tens of thousands to Texas.

    Where they will proceed to $#@! that state up even worse than it already is.



    California GOP ponders way forward after stunning losses

    https://apnews.com/e11342c7cb04477ea584013ad80f8cd4

    By MICHAEL R. BLOOD

    LOS ANGELES (AP) — In a speech to fellow Republicans in May, U.S. Rep. Mimi Walters issued an ominous warning about the coming election — California Democrats, she said, were “coming for all of us.”

    She was right.

    The congresswoman’s stunning defeat Thursday in the heart of Orange County, once a nationally known Republican stronghold, extended a Democratic rout that has seen five GOP-held House seats fall in the state, with another one threatened.

    Last week’s election delivered mixed results around the U.S. — Republicans held the Senate, Democrats seized the House — but in California voters turned the state an even deeper shade of Democratic blue.

    With Walters’ loss to newcomer Katie Porter, Democrats will hold a 44-9 edge in U.S. House seats, with another Orange County GOP seat in peril. The county was once home to President Richard Nixon and was considered a foundation of the modern conservative movement, gaining the moniker “Reagan country.”

    Democrats are on track to hold every statewide office — again. And there wasn’t even a Republican on the ballot for U.S. Senate.

    “The California Republican Party isn’t salvageable at this time,” concluded Kristin Olsen, a former Republican leader in the state Assembly.

    “The Grand Old Party is dead — partly because it has failed to separate itself from today’s toxic, national brand of Republican politics,” she wrote in a column on the website CALmatters.

    Shawn Steel, one of California’s two Republican National Committee members, said the state party has “reached the point of desperation.”

    “The party’s problems have been around longer and run much deeper than any one person. From money to grassroots organization, California Republicans are completely outmatched,” Steel wrote on the Washington Examiner website.

    A generation ago, the state was once a reliable win for the GOP in presidential elections. And in Orange County, largely white, conservative homeowners delivered winning margins for Republicans year after year.

    But a surge in immigrants transformed the state and its voting patterns. The number of Hispanics, blacks and Asians has outnumbered whites since 1998. And many of those new voters lean Democratic. The number of registered Republicans has been in a freefall for years — even independents outnumber them.

    In a sign of what was to come, Hillary Clinton carried Orange County in the 2016 presidential election, the first Democrat to do so since the Depression era.

    A stronger tack leftward has now dramatically arrived.

    Walters’ loss was a shock. By elevating Porter, the conservative-leaning district with a 7-point Republican registration edge embraced a protégé of Democratic Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, a liberal favorite.

    Along with her loss in Orange County, 15-term Rep. Dana Rohrabacher was ousted from his nearby district. The seat held by retiring Republican Rep. Darrell Issa, which cuts across the southern part of the county, was taken by Democrat Mike Levin, an environmental attorney.

    The 39th District, anchored in the northern part of the county, remains undecided in a contest between Republican Young Kim and Democrat Gil Cisneros. In returns Friday, Cisneros extended his lead to about 3,000 votes in a district held by retiring Republican Rep. Ed Royce. Thousands of ballots remain uncounted.

    Meanwhile, Democrat Josh Harder seized the seat of Republican Rep. Jeff Denham in the farm belt, while Democrat Katie Hill took Republican Rep. Steve Knight’s seat north of Los Angeles.

    Clearly, President Donald Trump was a factor.

    He lost California by over 4 million votes in 2016 and has remained unpopular, and many voters saw an opportunity to send a message to Washington. Walters and Rohrabacher, for example, were closely tied to the president, while Democratic candidates campaigned openly against Trump’s agenda.

    But demographic changes have also helped Democrats, and in key congressional races they fielded a group of fresh faces, not career politicians.

    Steel, the GOP committeeman, noted that Democrats raised more money and did a better job registering voters and using social media.

    The state GOP has debated for years whether the party needs to turn to the political center, or right. As far back as 2007, Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger warned the party was “dying at the box office” and needed to claim issues usually associated with the Democratic agenda, including climate change and health care reform.

    The latest setbacks have set off a fresh round of Republican soul-searching. Travis Allen, a former GOP candidate for governor and ardent Trump supporter, said Thursday he was entering the race to be the state party leader. The party, he said, is at the “lowest point it’s been since the 1880s.”



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    Being GOP in California is a great job. Nobody ever will call your incompetence even if you make Brenda Snipes look like a top performer. It's them dems. They always win.

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    Yes Demographics, why change peoples minds when you can just herd the masses like willing cattle.

    And it's not just the Demographics in this country, it's around the world... Order Out of Chaos.... snewrldrdr.

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    I seem to recall back in 2010-2012, the Ron Paul Republicans won control of a local GOP, and the establishment refused to cede power. They wouldn't hand over bank accounts, contacted donors and told them not to send money, then eventually called a rogue meeting and voted themselves back in. The courts refused to get involved.

    My heart bleeds.
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    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




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    “The California Republican Party isn’t salvageable at this time,” concluded Kristin Olsen, a former Republican leader in the state Assembly.

    “The Grand Old Party is dead — partly because it has failed to separate itself from today’s toxic, national brand of Republican politics,” she wrote in a column on the website CALmatters.
    Says RINO loser.

    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I seem to recall back in 2010-2012, the Ron Paul Republicans won control of a local GOP, and the establishment refused to cede power. They wouldn't hand over bank accounts, contacted donors and told them not to send money, then eventually called a rogue meeting and voted themselves back in. The courts refused to get involved.

    My heart bleeds.
    Conservative Californians, perhaps more than other states, are well aware of the RINO establishment corruption, and thus reject the GOP. They register as “decline to state”, aka independent. Plus, it has become social and career suicide to identify as Republican.

    Going progressive-lite will just lose the GOP even more people. The conservatives in California hate that.
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    But a surge in immigrants transformed the state and its voting patterns. The number of Hispanics, blacks and Asians has outnumbered whites since 1998. And many of those new voters lean Democratic. The number of registered Republicans has been in a freefall for years — even independents outnumber them.
    And now you have one party progressive socialist rule.

    And some continue to deny this simple, demonstrable, immutable fact.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    And now you have one party progressive socialist rule.
    Hopefully something good comes out of their relatively newfound political unity.

    Like Universal Basic Income
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    CA GOP is dead.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...fETIOAYxfJiKmg

    “The California Republican Party isn’t salvageable at this time. The Grand Old Party is dead,” wrote former state GOP Assembly leader Kristin Olsen, who startled fellow Republicans with a brutally frank op-ed this week saying Republicans must acknowledge their “serious problem” in California, particularly the effects of toxicity of President Trump.

    Madrid argues that many California Republican leaders remain in complete denial of the fact that their continued support of Trump presidency has sealed the fate of the GOP — and last week’s midterm elections revealed the true extent of the GOP’s rot in California, where the state party has now shrunken to third party status.

    “Now, it’s just open warfare. The barbarians have broken through the gates. The army is in full retreat,’’ said Madrid, who adds there’s no hope left for a party that for years has been on a path toward destruction. “Burn it to the ground. I want to reconstitute.’’
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    Unfortunately, looking at GOP's track record in past decade on deadly blunder of Iraqi Freedom War and continuation of current interventionist foreign policy is pointing to a somber reality that GOP-Neocons marriage is unbreakable. If this thesis is confirmed, USA GOP would have same future as that of CA GOP.

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    Here’s how it works. The “moderate” leftists and GOP voters, who willingly, ignorantly destroy an area, are the first to flee the mess that they create. This leaves the hardcore extremes. The remaining conservatives of California (of all races and ethnic groups) are far to the right of Trump on immigration and fiscal matters. Most of them do not want to align themselves with the corrupt RINO establishment.

    And then you have the revolutionary communists on the other extreme.
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    The true liberty-minded constitutional conservatives need to withdraw from major party politics and re-brand from coast to coast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Here’s how it works. The “moderate” leftists and GOP voters, who willingly, ignorantly destroy an area, are the first to flee the mess that they create. This leaves the hardcore extremes. The remaining conservatives of California (of all races and ethnic groups) are far to the right of Trump on immigration and fiscal matters. Most of them do not want to align themselves with the corrupt RINO establishment.

    And then you have the revolutionary communists on the other extreme.
    The conservatives need to pick up and leave earlier, I understand trying to fight while the fight can still be won and I understand that upending your life is hard but things in California have been too bad too long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    The true liberty-minded constitutional conservatives need to withdraw from major party politics and re-brand from coast to coast.
    We need a coordinated party jump by as many conservatives as possible, either to a new party or to the Constitution Party, individual party jumpers get slaughtered but a mass jump would upend the system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The conservatives need to pick up and leave earlier, I understand trying to fight while the fight can still be won and I understand that upending your life is hard but things in California have been too bad too long.
    The conservatives that are left are dug in deeper than an earthquake faultline. We are not giving up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The conservatives that are left are dug in deeper than an earthquake faultline. We are not giving up.
    Best of luck, but I don't see you turning things around without an armed uprising.
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    California is lost for now. Needs to hit rock bottom first.

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    California has a destiny , it cannot be saved .
    Do something Danke

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    One things for sure: California won't be a red state again for a very long time.
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    Calvin Coolidge

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    I keep hoping it will just break off and then tip over into the ocean. I've been hearing it's suppose to break off since I was a kid. I added the tipping part myself - H/T to Hank Johnson for the idea.

    I hope the cool people escape with the wine before it happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    I keep hoping it will just break off and then tip over into the ocean. I've been hearing it's suppose to break off since I was a kid. I added the tipping part myself - H/T to Hank Johnson for the idea.

    I hope the cool people escape with the wine before it happens.
    NY and OH wine is better.

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    It is funny to me that article explicitly says immigrants and minorities populating the state have been the reason the state votes Democrat. that should be non-controversial. But you have people like Zippy saying that Reagan was a moderate and GOP has just moved so far to the right that California now votes Democrat. And you have Reason claiming the reason for the shift is just that Republicans just started being mean to Mexicans in the 90s which caused them to vote Dem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    It is funny to me that article explicitly says immigrants and minorities populating the state have been the reason the state votes Democrat. that should be non-controversial. But you have people like Zippy saying that Reagan was a moderate and GOP has just moved so far to the right that California now votes Democrat. And you have Reason claiming the reason for the shift is just that Republicans just started being mean to Mexicans in the 90s which caused them to vote Dem.
    AP news is racist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    It is funny to me that article explicitly says immigrants and minorities populating the state have been the reason the state votes Democrat. that should be non-controversial. But you have people like Zippy saying that Reagan was a moderate and GOP has just moved so far to the right that California now votes Democrat. And you have Reason claiming the reason for the shift is just that Republicans just started being mean to Mexicans in the 90s which caused them to vote Dem.
    I know...pretty laughable, especially when you take a look at the government's these invaders have voted for in their home countries before fleeing.

    And so they displace the Kalifornia progressives who then show up in Texas and Montana and Arizona and $#@! those states up.

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    Even orange County "flipped".

    https://www.axios.com/2018-midterms-...346c2022b.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    Even orange County "flipped".

    https://www.axios.com/2018-midterms-...346c2022b.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Thank you sir.
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