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    Exclamation Ocasio-Cortez demands Dems support "100% renewable energy in 10 years" plan

    Well, her understanding of thermodynamics and physics is as comprehensive as her understanding of economics.

    If you thought toilets that don't flush, washers that don't wash and lights that make things dim were bad, wait until you see the ramifications of this.

    Elections have consequences and there are differences.

    Ocasio-Cortez’s ‘Green New Deal’ becomes flash point for Pelosi

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...-pelosi-966748

    By ZACK COLMAN and ANTHONY ADRAGNA 11/15/2018 09:41 AM EST

    Nancy Pelosi is facing an unexpected flare-up on climate change that is complicating relationships among House Democrats ahead of crucial leadership elections.

    Incoming liberals, led by Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, are demanding Pelosi go beyond her promise to revive a select committee on global warming; they want her and the rest of the Democratic Caucus to back an ambitious plan to transition the economy to 100 percent renewable energy in a little more than a decade.

    But the party's chairmen-in-waiting are pushing back on the idea that even a new select committee would be necessary, arguing that the existing Energy and Commerce, Natural Resources, Transportation and Science committees have the tools they need to address climate change.

    The tension within the party comes as Pelosi is racing to secure the support she will need to claim the House speaker's gavel when Democrats take the majority next year, and amid broader tension between moderate members worried about overreaching and progressives who see bold proposals as the key to the party's future. The new climate plan goes well beyond the Obama-era cap-and-trade climate policy that House Democrats embraced before losing their previous majority in 2010 — but since then, renewable energy's costs have plummeted while its popularity has risen in key electoral states like Colorado.

    While she is confident she will prevail, Pelosi faces a thin margin for error and has launched an intense campaign to round up the support she will need, and Democrats are using that vulnerability to attempt to secure concessions on a host of issues.

    Climate activists are urging Ocasio-Cortez and other liberals to consider withholding their support for Pelosi's bid to be speaker without additional concessions.

    Pelosi's record "doesn't give us confidence that she is ready to do what it takes in the next two years. ... She wants to reintroduce this select committee on climate change, but basically all she wants it to do, from what we can tell, is convene people to talk about the science," said Evan Weber, national political director with the Sunrise Movement, an organizer of protests outside Pelosi's office on Tuesday. "We’ve been talking about the science for the past few decades.”

    Ocasio-Cortez is gathering support for a resolution that would establish a select House committee to develop legislation on the Green New Deal, a set of ambitious principles that progressives envision as a work-in-progress Democratic Party platform on climate change.

    “I don’t want to see Miami underwater, I don’t want to see my own district underwater, and I know that Leader Pelosi doesn’t, either,” Ocasio-Cortez told reporters Tuesday as she joined protesters at the leader's office. “What we need to show her is that we’re here to back her up in pushing for 100 percent renewable energy and we’re here to support that kind of bold, progressive leadership.”

    Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.) and incoming members Deb Haaland (D-N.M.), Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) and Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) have all endorsed the Green New Deal resolution. Other liberals, like Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), have not endorsed the Ocasio-Cortez resolution but backed similarly ambitious legislation like transitioning the U.S. to 100 percent clean energy by 2050. Most have remained coy on whether they'll support Pelosi on the floor.


    The Green New Deal resolution calls for a bevy of far-reaching liberal goals to decarbonize the economy within a decade by reshaping the electric power, agriculture and transportation sector, but it includes few details outlining how to get there. That is likely too ambitious even for many Democrats — and would stand zero chance of getting past Senate Republicans or President Donald Trump — but the concept has become an important rallying cry for the need to address climate change.

    “Whether or not it’s called the Green New Deal, I think there will be significant pieces of [an infrastructure package] that will touch on climate,” Jayapal told POLITICO. “There are lots of ideas out there that aren’t called Green New Deal but are addressing similar kinds of issues.”

    Pelosi created the Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming when she was first elected speaker in 2007, but Republicans eliminated the committee when they took the majority in 2011. Now, a growing number of senior Democrats say they don't know whether the panel needs to come back.

    "As co-chairs of the Safe Climate Caucus, we believe that the committees of jurisdiction and future Chairs are ready and able to tackle this challenge," Reps. Don Beyer (D-Va.) and Alan Lowenthal (D-Calif.) wrote in a letter to Pelosi on Wednesday. "However, should you decide to create a select committee on climate change in the 116th Congress, we stand ready to work with you."

    The letter from Beyer and Lowenthal came a few hours after three Democratic chairmen-in-waiting — Energy and Commerce ranking member Frank Pallone (D-N.J.), Science ranking member Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas) and Natural Resources ranking member Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.) — announced they would be holding climate change hearings early next year, in an apparent attempt to protect their turf. "Our committees plan to work closely together to aggressively assess the public health, economic and environmental impacts of climate change and to explore the best solutions to combat this challenge," they said in a statement.

    Grijalva, a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus who has said he plans to back Pelosi, said he understood why Ocasio-Cortez and others are pushing leadership to be more aggressive in attacking climate change. “I would agree with some of their criticism. We’re baby-stepping it,” he told reporters Wednesday.

    But climate change wasn’t a top issue most Democrats campaigned on in a wave election, and the incoming majority is expected instead to focus on health care, infrastructure and conducting oversight on the Trump administration.

    Republicans will likely paint any Democratic plan to address climate change as too expensive, but activists say Democrats should not fear such attacks from a party that has overseen growing deficits and did not pay for its massive tax cut last year.

    “I’m not interested in entertaining that question given the full board of what Republicans have funded most recently with the tax cut,” said Vijay Das, a senior campaign strategist with the public policy organization Demos who has been working on the Green New Deal concept. “To be perfectly blunt, fiscal conservatives don’t have to answer this question when they’re making decisions to embolden the 1 percent.”

    That’s not to say Republicans won’t make the argument anyway.

    “Green New Deal? Sounds like a lot of red ink,” Sen. Cory Gardner (R-Colo.) told POLITICO.
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    She should demand 100% rainbows and unicorns in ten years...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Well, her understanding of thermodynamics and physics is as comprehensive as her understanding of economics.

    If you thought toilets that don't flush, washers that don't wash and lights that make things dim were bad, wait until you see the ramifications of this.

    Elections have consequences and there are differences.

    ..

    From what I heard, she loves this country. She's from NY, we should cut her some slack and give her some time to mature her political views according the winds of DC.

    Yes there are differences, but very few political creatures come close to be more detrimental to American liberties than neocons on both major parties. She's might be horrible on many issues and overall still be tad bit better than Bush-Cheney genius cabal or even current MAGA's puppet masters.



    BTW, is Cortez a MAGA ally under the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' doctrine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    From what I heard, she loves this country. She's from NY, we should cut her some slack and give her some time to mature her political views according the winds of DC.

    Yes there are differences, but very few political creatures come close to be more detrimental to American liberties than neocons on both major parties. She's might be horrible on many issues and overall still be tad bit better than Bush-Cheney genius cabal or even current MAGA's puppet masters.
    She's a good commie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    She's a good commie?
    'Good commie' is dangerous term and I have not seen enough evidence if she's comparable to respected anti-war liberal Dennis Kucinish but she seems to see killing of born children more immoral than killing of unborn babies.
    In case this helps to rate her, she loves this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    'Good commie' is dangerous term and I have not seen enough evidence if she's comparable to respected anti-war liberal Dennis Kucinish but she seems to see killing of born children more immoral than killing of unborn babies.
    In case this helps to rate her, she loves this country.
    Even the biggest psychopaths love our country. They wouldn't be able to get away with this kind of $#@! anywhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Even the biggest psychopaths love our country. They wouldn't be able to get away with this kind of $#@! anywhere else.

    I dunno, even some of the most conservative/GOP funded politicians are making similar calls elsewhere too. Just read this news the other day:

    Israel's energy ministry plans to end coal as energy supply by 2030
    haaretz
    1 day ago - The plan looks to replace coal with natural gas and solar energy as well as forbidding the importation of cars that run on gasoline or diesel fuel. ...

    Energy Minister calls for banning diesel, gas-based cars in Israel by ...
    jpost
    Feb 27, 2018 - Speaking at an energy conference in Tel Aviv on Monday, Energy Minister Yuval Steinitz said Israel will soon rely solely on renewable energy ...

    Israel aiming to fully switch to electric cars by 2030 - Israel News ...
    jpost
    Oct 9, 2018 - New imported cars are seen in a parking lot near Eilat's port, Israel, June 12, ... longer be able to buy new gasoline or diesel-powered vehicles after 2030, the Energy Ministry ... All new cars will be electric. .... GREEN ISRAEL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    'Good commie' is dangerous term and I have not seen enough evidence if she's comparable to respected anti-war liberal Dennis Kucinish but she seems to see killing of born children more immoral than killing of unborn babies.
    In case this helps to rate her, she loves this country.
    Kucinich was a strong supporter of the Constitution, I liked Kucinich.

    This chick, I assure you, has no respect for the Constitution except for what she can finagle out of it as a commie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Kucinich was a strong supporter of the Constitution, I liked Kucinich.

    This chick, I assure you, has no respect for the Constitution except for what she can finagle out of it as a commie.
    Do MAGA respect Constitution during his NY days and does he respect it now? Does Pelosi respect Constitution? I was trying to make a point that focussing on her immaturish rambling as a kid fresh out of NY while ignoring bigger misdirections of opportunist RINOs in power will lead to birth of Barack Hussein Obama Cortez Al Irani in 4-8 years from now. GOP paid a huge price for not holding Bush accountable during early years of his presidency. IMO she rates much lower on the immediate threat to Constitution scale than bigger fish with greater power and responsibility that many of her critics seem to support.


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    All energy is renewable. You can neither create or destroy energy; you can only transfer it.

    For example, the energy she uses to talk gets transferred into my migraine.
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    Denny , deep down is a gun grabbing commie who was deciding vote on obamacare . This mentally impared woman is ten times worse .

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    This is why state's rights are so important. New York should be free to experiment with her insanity without harming the rest of the country. I wonder if R3volution 3.0 would be for bombing NY City to set them free?
    ...

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    Is Cortez deep state or is she just an idiot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Is Cortez deep state or is she just an idiot?
    You sound redundant. The deep state relies on incompetent people who can not make it on their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    She's a good commie?
    No, she is still alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Kucinich was a strong supporter of the Constitution.
    Sortta.


    But that made him better than most Demoncrats, he was almost a RINO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    This is why state's rights are so important. New York should be free to experiment with her insanity without harming the rest of the country. I wonder if R3volution 3.0 would be for bombing NY City to set them free?
    I think he'd rather bomb the rest of us for not submitting to the world empire, that takes priority, he can worry about how he is going to become emperor and impose minarchy later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    This is why state's rights are so important. New York should be free to experiment with her insanity without harming the rest of the country. I wonder if R3volution 3.0 would be for bombing NY City to set them free?
    I do not think they can be set free , who would feed them ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I do not think they can be set free , who would feed them ?
    They will go "freegan".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Is Cortez deep state or is she just an idiot?
    I've been watching her carefully (after desensitizing myself to her creepy psychotic eyes) and I'm fairly certain she's a robot.

    Have to admit she does look pretty realistic.
    Just need to hack the program and change it from "commie traitor scum" to "liberty minded patriot" and adjust the eyes a bit. I think it may work.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    All energy is renewable. You can neither create or destroy energy; you can only transfer it.

    For example, the energy she uses to talk gets transferred into my migraine.
    You must not be familiar with entropy.

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    This could, realistically, probably be done (or at least the construction plans finalized and started), but it would leave those on the left even more unhappy than they currently are, most likely.

    Fast Breeder nuclear reactors actually produce more fuel than they consume (since they turn other things radioactive) and they can even consume nuclear waste from weapons and other reactors (that's currently being stored).

    It still produces waste that you can't use, of course, but the amount of fuel available for such a reactor could potentially last for millenia if not into the millions of years.

    This isn't technically renewable, but, then again, nothing really is; the sun burns out and solar panels require non-renewable resources to build, wind will probably be around as long as the earth is, but still requires non-renewable resources to build.

    You're always going to have a non-renewable point inf your chain.

    So, yeah, if the government lifted regulations on nuclear and subsidized it (not that I'm advocating for the latter), then I could easily see the US go the "France" route.

    That said, the left's head would probably explode (though there's a number of environmentalists, even on the left, who are warming to nuclear, quite rapidly, as they're recognizing that we need something more than wind and solar to power a 21st century economy).

    I somehow doubt this is what Cortez wants though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    All energy is renewable. You can neither create or destroy energy; you can only transfer it.

    For example, the energy she uses to talk gets transferred into my migraine.
    I was just about to type that last night until I saw u already said it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    They will go "freegan".

    .

    Thanks, this will save me some money for my homes. And the gals will get some fresh air and a little exercise too.

    Amazing they throw some of that stuff away. Probably a lot to do with government regulations that can just discount it or give it away.
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    I think 100% renewable energy is an OK goal but I think we can do better

    200% renewable energy
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    She is a commie; she is a puppet of the enemy.
    She is an idiot; she is a liar.

    She is a beastly hag and a Godless Whore.

    Hope I cleared up any disinformation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wooden Indian View Post
    She is a commie; she is a puppet of the enemy.
    She is an idiot; she is a liar.

    She is a beastly hag and a Godless Whore.

    Hope I cleared up any disinformation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    I think 100% renewable energy is an OK goal but I think we can do better

    200% renewable energy
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