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Trump Supporters: "WAAAAAA! The Scary Mexicans are only 50% Caucasian on average! WAAAAAAAA! Mexicans are willing to work for more realistic wages WAAAAAAAAAAA! Mexicans aren't the right kind of Christians! WAAAAAAAA! The very existence of Mexicans threatens Muh White Culture! WAAAAAAA! If the government doesn't beat, cage, or kill these people they might actually succeed in living slightly differently than I do! WAAAAAAA! The Evil Liberal Media does nothing but lie and say mean things about Muh President Trump! WAAAAAAAAA!"
I could go on. You Trump supporters are nothing but crybaby, whiners playing the Victim in order to justify using the police state to beat, cage, and kill innocent people. Like all Progressives, your whining and basic lack of manhood is pathetic and ridiculous. And you're accurately aware of this, which is why so many of you call others cucks. You're hoping if you accuse others of being weak and pathetic no one will recognize just how weak and pathetic your are. You want to be victims without admitting it so you don't have to face how pathetic you really are.
Last edited by PierzStyx; 11-15-2018 at 10:23 PM.
Which, in today's environment, is racist, sexist, cis-normative, white male meritocracy, Nazi bull$#@!.
Always keep in mind, Trump learned his racism from Ron Paul.
Where did Donald Trump get his racialized rhetoric? From libertarians.
The intersection of white nationalism, the alt-right and Ron Paul
So, with that in mind, I'm utterly open to suggestions on how to "sell" everything you mentioned, and more, to an idiot mob of AmeriKunts who think you are a racist for even trying.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
For "disagreeing with someone on a host of issues", you sure do go to bat for him a lot... not to mention coming up with creative ways to re-interpret clearly $#@!ty positions as some kind of "strategy".
For me, I have marginal alignment on 2 issues: he cut taxes and he hasn't invaded a new country [yet]. Of course, in the case of the latter, the previous several presidents didn't leave him with a lot to work with, so...
Beyond that, I got nothing, and I wouldn't expect too many folks around here to have much more. Yet we have folks here at RPF treating this like a Paul presidency.
Oh by the way, we all noticed no reaction to the fact that your boy doesn't oppose any of the following fairly important issues to so-called liberty-minded folks:
How about that?Stop entitlements, get gov out of the welfare system, education, medicine, business, and the WoT.
How can you credibly argue that the rational liberty-oriented response to this admitted reality is to embrace the guy who legitimately stands on the wrong side of each of those issues?
There's no question that the pop-culture - and therefore perceived popular opinion - aligns with what you've laid out above, and that is INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING as a libertarian. But that is also a reality that Ron dealt with most of his political career; yet he managed to stick to his PRINCIPLES.
It seems like there's more than a small faction here who are willing to chuck those same principles onto the bonfire out of that frustration and align themselves on a lot of core issues with someone who clearly does not get it... and what's more, that faction is going to do real, tangible damage to the liberty movement by doing so.
Couldn't necessarily say just right now, but I can tell you that one way to for sure NOT sell it is to tie it to someone who literally stands on the wrong side of every one of those issues.So, with that in mind, I'm utterly open to suggestions on how to "sell" everything you mentioned, and more, to an idiot mob of AmeriKunts who think you are a racist for even trying.
LOL at the OP trying to cover his tracks by starting this thread.
And here's the same tactic used by the other side. Just replace "right" with "left" and "identified" with "misidentified" and there you have it.
Those who have brains and principles to debate with do so. Everyone else...This kind of hysteria could hardly have come as a surprise to him. "Once identified as right-wing you are beyond the pale of argument," Scruton wrote. "Your views are irrelevant, your character discredited, your presence in the world a mistake. You are not an opponent to be argued with, but a disease to be shunned. This has been my experience."
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
By Zippy Juan & Matthew Sheffield
September 2, 2016
Hillary Clinton and her campaign have been going out of their way to make a surprising argument about Donald Trump: He’s not really a Republican.
At the Democratic convention, several speakerssaid Trump represented a complete break from the conservative traditions of the GOP. Last month, Clinton delivered a similar messagein a speech linking Trump to the white-nationalist political movement known as the “alt-right.” “This is not conservatism as we have known it,” she asserted.
According to Clinton — and manyconservative intellectualswho opposeTrump — the conspiratorial, winking-at-racists campaign he has been running represents a novel departure from Republican politics.
Here's what you need to know about the alt-right movement.(Jenny Starrs/The Washington Post)
That’s not quite true, though. Trump’s style and positions — endorsing and consorting with 9/11 truthers, promoting online racists, using fake statistics— draw on a now-obscure political strategy called “paleolibertarianism,” which was once quite popular among some Republicans, especially former presidential candidate Ron Paul.
Formally, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) may be his father’s political heir. But there’s no question that the paranoid and semi-racialist mien frequently favored by Trump originates in the fevered swamps that the elder Paul dwelled in for decades. Most people who back Trump don’t do so for racist reasons, but it’s incredible how many of the same white nationalists and conspiracy theorists to whom Ron Paul once catered are now ardent Trump supporters. It’s because Trump and Paul speak the same language.
Mainstream libertarians have been agonizing over this legacy among themselves for some time, hopingthat either the elder or younger Paul would definitively denounce the movement’s racialist past, but no such speech has ever come. Instead, the paleolibertarian strategy concocted decades ago as a way to push for minimal government threatens to replace right-wing libertarianism with white nationalism.
* * *
The figure whose ideas unify Pauline libertarians and today’s Trumpists is the late Murray Rothbard, an economist who co-founded the Cato Institute and is widely regarded as the creator of libertarianism.
Nowadays, many libertarians like to portray their ideology as one that somehow transcends the left-right divide, but to Rothbard, this was nonsense. Libertarianism, he argued, was nothing more than a restatement of the beliefs of the “Old Right,” which resolutely opposed the New Deal and any sort of foreign intervention in the early 20th century. Many of its adherents, such as essayist H.L. Mencken, espoused racist viewpoints, as well.
As moderate Republicans such as Dwight Eisenhower and “New Right” Christian conservatives such as William F. Buckley became more influential within the Republican Party in the 1950s and ’60s, the future creators of libertarianism gravitated instead toward the work of secular anti-communist thinkers such as economist Ludwig von Mises and novelist Ayn Rand.
[Here’s what demagogues like Trump do to their countries when they take power]
There had always been some sympathy for racism and anti-Semitism among libertarians — the movement’s house magazine, Reason, dedicated an entire issue in 1976to “historical revisionism,” including Holocaust revisionism. It also repeatedly ran articles in defenseof South Africa’s then-segregationist government (though by 2016, the magazine was running articles like “Donald Trump Enables Racism”). But it was Rothbard’s founding of the Ludwig von Mises Institute in 1982 that enabled the fledgling political movement to establish affinity with the neo-Confederate Lost Cause movement.
Almost immediately after its creation, the Mises Institute (headquartered in Auburn, Ala.) began publishing criticismof “compulsory integration,” attacks on Abraham Lincoln and apologia for Confederate leaders. Institute scholars have also spoken to racist groups such as the League of the South. Rothbard even published a chapter in his book “The Ethics of Liberty” in which he said that “the purely free society will have a flourishing free market in children,” although he didn’t specify the races of the children who might be sold.
These and many other controversial views advocated by Mises writers make sense from a fanatical libertarian viewpoint. But they also originate in a political calculation Rothbard revealed in a 1992 essaylamenting the defeat of Republican white nationalist and former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke in the 1991 Louisiana governor’s race by a bipartisan coalition.
Expanding on themes raised two years earlierby his longtime partner and friend Llewellyn “Lew” Rockwell, an editor and fundraiser for libertarian causes, Rothbard argued that Duke’s candidacy was vitally important because it made clear that the “old America” had been overthrown by “an updated, twentieth-century coalition of Throne and Altar” and its “State Church” of government officials, journalists and social scientists.
Besides commending Duke as an exemplar of the kind of candidate he was looking to support, Rothbard also invoked the “exciting” former senator Joe McCarthy of Wisconsin — not because of his economic views but because he was a brash populist prone to doing erratic things. Rothbard’s description of McCarthy seems eerily similar to the campaign that Trump has been running:
“The fascinating, the exciting, thing about Joe McCarthy was precisely his ‘means’ — his right-wing populism: his willingness and ability to reach out, to short-circuit the power elite: liberals, centrists, the media, the intellectuals, the Pentagon, Rockefeller Republicans, and reach out and whip up the masses directly. . . . With Joe McCarthy there was a sense of dynamism, of fearlessness, and of open-endedness, as if, whom would he subpoena next?”
To solve the problem that few Americans are interested in small government, Rothbard argued that libertarians needed to align themselves with people they might not like much in order to expand their numbers. “Outreach to the Rednecks” was needed to make common cause with far-right Christian conservatives who hated the federal government, disliked drugs and wanted to crack down on crime.
All of these paleolibertarian positions were offered in Duke’s 1990 Senate campaign and 1991 gubernatorial campaign. But they were also offered by another politician Rothbard admired: Ron Paul, the Libertarian Party’s presidential candidate in 1988.
Rothbard and Paul had known and worked with each other in the 1970s, when they came to know Rockwell. Rockwell would work closely with both men, serving as Paul’s congressional chief of staff until he left to found the Mises Institute with Rothbard.
Rockwell also was the editor of a series of printed newsletters for both men in the ensuing decades. Paul’s publications became famous during his Republican presidential campaigns. Their controversial nature is no surprise, given that Paul had coyly endorsed the paleolibertarian strategyshortly after it was devised.
Sold under various titles, the highly lucrative newsletters frequently stoked racial fears, similar to what Trump has been doing this year, though they went further — one even gave advice on using an unregistered gun to shoot “urban youth.” Another issue mocked black Americans by proposing alternative names for New York City such as “Zooville” and “Rapetown,” while urging black political demonstrators to hold their protests “at a food stamp bureau or a crack house.”
[Trump sees black America as a dystopian hellhole. So do most white people.]
The publications also repeatedly promoted the work of Jared Taylor, a white nationalist writer and editor who is today one of Trump’s most prominent alt-right backers. Articles also featured anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and frequent rants against gay men.
Paul later said he didn’t write the newsletters. But regardless of their authorship, the image they created made him attractive to white nationalists. Those supporters weren’t numerous enough to get Paul the GOP presidential nomination, however, and paleolibertarianism began fizzling out.
In the past few years, however, it’s been reborn as the alt-right, as a new generation of libertarians discovered their hidden heritage and began embracing racism and conspiracy theories. Many alt-right writerstrace their roots to Rothbard. As one of them, Gregory Hood, put it, paleolibertarian theories about race and democracy “helped lead to the emergence [of the] Alternative Right.” Rothbard’s call for “sovereign nations based on race and ethnicity” is very similar to beliefs Trump’s alt-right supporters express today.
In 2016, many, if not most, of the extremists who formerly supported Paul have rallied to Trump’s side. In 2007, Paul won an endorsement and a $500 campaign contribution from Don Black, the owner of Stormfront, a self-described “white pride” Web forum. Despite a torrent of criticism, Paul refused to return the money. This March, Black encouraged his radio listeners to vote for Trump, even if he wasn’t perfect.
Memphis-based white nationalist radio host James Edwards supported Paul and likewise backs Trump. His reputation didn’t dissuade either candidate from associating with him. In July, Edwards attended the Republican National Convention on a press passeven after the Trump operation was subjected to embarrasing media coveragefor allowing Edwards to interview Donald Trump Jr. For his part, Paul agreed to appearon Edwards’s program in 2006 but canceled at the last minute.
[The alt-right just took over the GOP]
Duke, who is again running for Senate, has also repeatedly expressed his admirationof both men. While Trump has mostly disavowed Duke, Paul said in one of his newsletters that Duke’s political views were “just plain good sense,” despite the “baggage” of his former Klan involvement.
After Rand Paul came to the Senate in 2011, and as he eventually began planning his own presidential campaign, there was some speculation that conservatives might be entering a “libertarian moment.” Things didn’t turn out that way. Instead, the American right seems to have entered a paleolibertarian moment.
CORRECTION: An earlier version of this story incorrectly described Reason’s 1976 special issue on revisionism and its coverage of apartheid South Africa. The February 1976issue included an article that discussed Holocaust revisionism, but it was not entirely dedicated to the subject. Also, while the magazine did run several articles defending apartheid, it did not editorialize in favor of the system.
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The Federalist Papers, No. 15:
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Right, so, with that in mind, I have little choice but to make lemonade here.
Trump has rolled back regulations that have had a direct impact on increasing my bottom line and hasn't made a move to confiscate my guns in spite of bluster to the contrary.
So, gold stars for him.
The leaders of the New Bolsheviks in Congress are pushing a plan that will bankrupt me in ten years, and are actively seeking repeal of the Second Amendment.
Look, you can call it whatever you want, selling out or what have you...I don't have any more answers, and neither do you.
All I know is I am NOT going to align myself with the New Bolsheviks and Latter Day Jacobins that want to erase me and my posterity from the future of this nation.
Nor am I going to look the other and pretend what's happening is not happening.
If that makes me an idiot partisan or what have you, well, so be it I suppose...no atheists in foxholes and all that.
Last edited by Anti Federalist; 11-16-2018 at 01:01 PM.
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
Make no mistake, that is not what I am trying to pull off here.
All I am doing is acknowledging that Trump has done some positive things, and that he is demonstrably better than what the opposition would have had us dealing with.
But he is no Ron Paul and I never made the case that he was anything close to that, in demeanor, personal habits, statecraft, or in grasp of history, economics and politics, Ron stands head and shoulders above him.
First of all, the rest of my post says 'hello'...
Second...
Yeah, great. I'm glad for those things, too. As I said earlier (ITT or another, who can keep up? I mean besides lil' Timmy and his Big Brother Swordsmyth, who seem to have countless hours to spend here pimping the 2nd coming of Cool Cal erm Donald "late term abortions/single payer" Trump... but I digress...) I'm pleased with the tax cuts and the so-far lack of new foreign military adventures.
That doesn't mean I'm here at RPF's to peddle an AT BEST nationalist-socialist (to be differentiated from a National Socialist, for sure) merely because I'm pleased with a couple of the crumbs that fell from his table.
No, I do... I said that I couldn't necessarily say just right now... doesn't mean I couldn't say... We can continue to work from the example that Ron gave us... that he continues to give us. Yeah, I generally agree with you that Freedom ISN'T popular, but it's $#@!ing chicken-$#@! to abandon it altogether and throw in with the like of a Trump.The leaders of the New Bolsheviks in Congress are pushing a plan that will bankrupt me in ten years, and are actively seeking repeal of the Second Amendment.
Look, you can call it whatever you want, selling out or what have you...I don't have any more answers, and neither do you.
$#@! man, there were some pro-liberty positions each of the presidents in our lifetime have taken, yet we weren't taken in like some around here have been by the current pimp.
There are more than 2 options. If there are only 2 options, there are actually no options.All I know is I am NOT going to align myself with the New Bolsheviks and Latter Day Jacobins that want to erase me and my posterity from the future of this nation.
Nor should you, but that doesn't necessitate throwing in with the new-boss-same-as-the-old-boss.Nor am I going to look the other and pretend what's happening is not happening.
Honestly, the ONLY meaningful difference is that the guy is a d-bag on Twitter and disregards the so-called dignity of the office. That's one of the few things I actually like about him by the way, but it's nowhere near enough to cause me to meaningfully support him (i.e., vote for him or advocate for him publicly).
Interestingly, that phrase refers to the practice of finding true faith in higher power (for these purposes, let's refer to it as a Principle) when all other hope seems to be lost. So I'll kick that right back at you.If that makes me an idiot partisan or what have you, well, so be it I suppose...no atheists in foxholes and all that.
The intro to Tom Woods show, "Prepare to Set Fire to the Index Card of Allowable Opinions."
Pfizer Macht Frei!
Openly Straight Man, Danke, Awarded Top Rated Influencer. Community Standards Enforcer.
Quiz: Test Your "Income" Tax IQ!
Short Income Tax Video
The Income Tax Is An Excise, And Excise Taxes Are Privilege Taxes
The Federalist Papers, No. 15:
Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
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