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    Brexit Blowout: UK May Facing No Confidence Vote

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    Guy Elster
    BREAKING Northern Ireland minister Shailesh Vara quits UK government over Brexit
    BREAKING Brexit minister resigns from UK government over PM May's plan
    BREAKING Third minister resigns from UK government this day, over PM May Brexit plan
    Pound plunges after resignations from UK government, Labour says May has no authority Brexit Deal
    BREAKING Brexit Eurosceptic MP Rees-Mogg will submit letter of no confidence in PM May: Telegraph




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    'It's this or Corbyn': How May persuaded Cabinet to back her Brexit
    'Dead on arrival': May in meltdown as MPs savage her Brexit deal
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...exit-deal.html

    'Dead on arrival': May in meltdown as MPs savage her Brexit deal in brutal Commons mauling after Esther McVey and Dominic Raab dramatically quit accusing her of caving in to EU 'blackmail'

    Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab has resigned saying he cannot 'in good conscience' back the PM's Brexit deal
    Work and Pensions Secretary Esther McVey followed suit shortly after saying she must 'honour referendum'
    News came hours after Northern Ireland minister Shailesh Vara quit saying the deal left the UK 'shackled'
    Theresa May will face the Commons today with her own MPs trying to sink deal or even force her to resign
    Eurosceptics are threatening to stage no-confidence vote within days if the PM pushes ahead with the plan

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    Theresa May appears to be almost certain to face a vote of no confidence in her leadership after sources confirmed Jacob Rees-Mogg will back a vote later today.
    Jacob Rees-Mogg to submit letter of no confidence today after he challenges Theresa May in Commons
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...hallenges/amp/


    ►The chairman of the European Research Group will submit a letter of no confidence to Sir Graham Brady, the chairman of the 1922 committee of backbench Tory MPs later today.
    ►In the House of Commons, Mr Rees-Mogg challenged Mrs May to her face, highlighted areas of the deal where he said the "honourable" Prime Minister had reneged on promises over leaving the customs union, maintaining the internal integrity of the UK and leaving the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice.

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    Hard Brexit in 10...9...8.......
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    Spanish PM threatens to cancel Sunday Brexit summit over Gibraltar dispute
    https://sptnkne.ws/kdP2


    Gibraltar, located on the southern coast of Spain, has been a British Overseas Territory since 1713, when Spain ceded it to the United Kingdom under Utrecht Treaty. The region’s residents rejected the idea of Spanish sovereignty in 1967 and joint UK-Spanish authority in 2002.

    The region is set to leave the European Union together with the rest of the United Kingdom in March 2019. The Brexit agreement between London and Brussels includes a special protocol on Gibraltar.

    Gibraltar's Chief Minister Fabian Picardo told the BBC broadcaster earlier on Friday that the territory had shown that it was willing to directly engage in talks with Spain, so it was not necessary to add a special article on this to the Brexit agreement.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 11-23-2018 at 02:04 PM.



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    It was good but we're nowhere near there yet. If brexit has taught us anything it's that this country requires deep political reform. What we have at the moment is barely democracy and it's obviously too easy to exploit in the early 21st century. Tutuapp 9apps Showbox

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    Once again, UK Prime Minister Theresa May has managed to unite pro-European Labour MPs and Brexiteer conservatives in opposition to her government by refusing to release the full 'legal advice' provided by UK Attorney General Geoffrey Cox, stoking suspicions that she is trying to hide the fact that the Brexit deal, as it's currently written, could result in the UK being stuck inside the EU customs union in perpetuity - a scenario that Brexiteers have warned would reduce the UK to a 'vassal state' of Europe.
    Angry ministers have threatened everything from calling a vote of no confidence in the government to holding Cox in contempt if No. 10 Downing Street doesn't authorize the release of the unabridged legal advice. But in an act of defiance, May on Monday released a 43-page summary of the AG's advice that one reporter said appeared to leave out most of the AG's most controversial findings.
    Legal advice summary contains none of the dire warnings we have been told the full text does. Underlines mutual decision of the joint committee on the backstop. No real detail on financial liabilities under transition extension/backstop.
    — Jessica Elgot (@jessicaelgot) December 3, 2018
    As we noted earlier, a leaked analysis shows that May lied to lawmakers when she said there was no risk of the UK being trapped inside the customs union. As the Guardian explains, while the text of the withdrawal agreement clearly states that any end to the 'backstop' must happen by consensus (which, assuming the backstop is eventually triggered, would happen once a new trade deal has been reached) between the UK and the EU. So Brexiteers' warnings have a clear basis in the text of the agreement. However, many MPs are suspicions that AG Cox was more negative about this in private than he has been in public.

    Some Labour MPs have warned that, by refusing, May has risked sparking a constitutional crisis. This is because MPs voted last month to force the government to release the legal advice "in full". But May has effectively ignored these demands and continued to withhold Cox's unabridged advice. The controversy has prompted at least one conservative MP, Sam Gyimah, to quit his cabinet post in protest, saying that releasing the unabridged advice is vital to "restoring trust in politics," according to the BBC.
    As we noted yesterday, Labour Shadow Brexit Secretary Keir Starmer has warned that "If they don't produce the advice...this will be a collision course between the government and Parliament." Members of the DUP, the party from Northern Ireland that helps prop up May's government, has threatened to side with Labour in sabotaging May's government if the AG's complete analysis of the "Irish Backstop" isn't released.
    Labour has clearly communicated that it plans to try and call a general election if the fulll legal advice isn't released.
    Conservative MP Barry Gardiner told the BBC's Andrew Marr that the prime minister faced a "very serious constitutional crisis" if she withheld the advice, and raised the possibility of another general election.
    In what is expected to be a marathon Q&A session, Cox is appearing before Parliament Monday afternoon to answer questions from MPs, beginning at 2 pm local time.
    But regardless of what is said, May and her cabinet have made it abundantly clear that they have no intention of allowing the 'legal advice' controversy delay the vote. Home Secretary Sajid Javid has dismissed speculation that the planned Dec. 11 vote could be delayed.
    A five-day pre-vote debate period is expected to begin on Tuesday.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...al-advice-full
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    Update: Following what appears to be one of the biggest political miscalculations of May's tenure as prime minister (a span that includes her disastrous general election decision the summer before last), the prime minister has returned to warning rebellious ministers that it's either her deal, or no deal - and if it's 'no deal', lawmakers might want to think twice about the consequences of that outcome. Because if MPs refuse to rally behind her deal, May said, it will increase the likelihood of a second Brexit referendum as the UK seeks to avoid a 'hard' Brexit.
    In other words, it's either "this deal, no deal, or no Brexit."

    • BREXIT: UK PM MAY SAYS WILL WORK WITH PARLIAMENT TO PREPARE MANDATE FOR NEXT STAGE OF EU NEGOTIATIONS
    • BREXIT: UK PM MAY SAYS CHOICE BEFORE PARLIAMENT IS CLEAR: THIS DEAL, NO DEAL, OR RISK OF NO BREXIT
    • BREXIT: UK PM MAY SAYS LAWMAKERS SHOULD THINK ABOUT THE FORCES A SECOND REFERENDUM WOULD UNLEASH
    • BREXIT: UK PM MAY SAYS A SECOND REFERENDUM WOULDN'T BRING COUNTRY TOGETHER
    • BREXIT: UK PM MAY SAYS A CLOSE SECOND REFERENDUM WOULD MEAN LOSING SIDE CALLS FOR THIRD ONE

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    The pound has fallen to its lowest level of the year after Theresa May lost a key Parliamentary vote on Tuesday that will force her administration to publish legal advice that she had hoped to keep secret. After her government was found in contempt by Parliament - 311 to 293 - for defying an earlier vote demanding that No. 10 Downing Street release the full details of Attorney General Geoffrey Cox's legal advice on May's Brexit Treaty.


    What's worse, this stunning defeat comes on a day when debate over May's plan was supposed to begin ahead of a planned Dec. 11 vote. Andrea Leadsom, leader of the House of Commons, said the government will begrudgingly release the full legal advice on Wednesday.
    As analysts were quick to point out, this doesn't bode well for May's prospects for passing her deal.
    "The outcome from the government contempt vote could be an early indication that the proposed Brexit deal may not pass the House next week," Credit Agricole strategist Valentin Marinov.
    Now, May's government must decide which version of the legal advice will be released. A "short" version provided to her cabinet, or something more substantial.
    As a reporter for the Guardian pointed out, Theresa May must have been counting on the support of the 26 Tory rebels who backed the Grieve Amendment (the motion to hold the government in contempt). Otherwise, May would have caved sooner and spared herself the embarrassment.
    Tory whips must have believed they could squeak this. Otherwise what is the point of allowing the vote to happen to make a finding of contempt? Why not just cave at the despatch box before the vote?
    — Jessica Elgot (@jessicaelgot) December 4, 2018
    Of course, if May's deal is defeated, it increases the likelihood that the UK will head for either a 'no deal' Brexit (chaos), no Brexit, a 'Super Norway' deal (or one that binds the UK closer to the EU) or a "Black Box" type deal, as the flow chart below suggests:


    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...-contempt-vote
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    Fortunately, on Tuesday, the purportedly "politically independent" European Court of Justice has just handed her a new tool that could come in handy during the debate over the deal as May works to whip up votes. To wit, the ECJ issued an advisory opinion on Tuesday that May would be allowed to legally reverse the triggering of Article 50 of the LIsbon Treaty - a decision that would effectively reverse the Brexit process.
    While the opinion is "purely advisory", the Court typically follows this type of guidance in its rulings.
    While the opinion is purely advisory, the Luxembourg-based court usually follows such advice. A date for a final rulings hasn’t been set yet but could still come this month, potentially even before the U.K. Parliament’s Dec. 11 vote on May’s Brexit deal.
    To be sure, it's certainly possible that, if May had tried to reverse the invocation of Article 50 unilaterally, UK court would have backed her up. But by offering its advisory opinion, the ECJ is effectively handing May an 'out'. If the UK is careening toward a 'no deal' exit during the days before Brexit Day, May could rely on this opinion to justify threats that there will be - as she said the other week - "no Brexit at all" - if MPs don't vote for her deal.
    Bloomberg hinted at this in its story about the ruling:
    "The possibility continues to exist" to revoke the Brexit notice "until such time as the withdrawal agreement is formally concluded," Advocate General Manuel Campos Sanchez-Bordona of the EU Court of Justice said in a non-binding opinion on Tuesday.
    This opinion - fought hard by May’s government - could actually turn out to be a weapon she can use to her advantage as the country heads into uncharted Brexit territory. The possibility that the U.K. can go back on its decision will be alarming to Brexit hardliners, encouraging them to grudgingly support May’s much-maligned roadmap for how the country should quit the block.
    Then again, BBG reasoned that using the ruling as a cudgel could backfire by encouraging pro-European lawmakers to push for the cancellation of Brexit.
    Still, a decision saying that Article 50 can be unilaterally revoked favors those who want to remain in the EU and could help those campaigning to thwart Brexit with a second referendum. It could also encourage some wavering pro-EU lawmakers to vote against May’s deal.
    It would put "the decision about our future back into the hands of our own elected representatives - where it belongs," pro-Remain lawyer Jolyon Maugham, who brought the lawsuit, said on Twitter. "On this critical issue, I’m sure MPs will now search their consciences and act in the best interests of our country."
    Former UKIP leader Nigel Farage argued that the recommendation is just the latest sign that "every effort" to stop Brexit is being made on both sides of the channel.
    ECJ says the UK can revoke Article 50 without permission. Every effort is being made on both sides of the Channel to stop Brexit.
    — Nigel Farage (@Nigel_Farage) December 4, 2018
    After the ruling, a spokesman for May's government reiterated that "it remains a matter of firm Government policy that Article 50 will not be revoked."
    And while that may be true for now, if May's draft deal doesn't pass during next week's vote, forcing both sides to step up preparations for a 'no deal' Brexit, the political calculus could swiftly change.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...-cancel-brexit
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    Former U.S. Secretary of State and Democrat presidential candidate John Kerry is in Northern Ireland threatening that Brexit could trigger a new terror campaign in the Province.

    Kerry, who replaced Hillary Clinton as President Barack Obama’s foreign policy supremo in the wake of the Benghazi fiasco in 2012, offered his implicit support to Prime Minister Theresa May’s “worst deal in history” with the EU — which keeps the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland open by surrendering large swathes of the former’s economy to EU control under a so-called “backstop” arrangement — in an interview with the BBC’s Sunday Politics Northern Ireland programme.
    “Under the Stormont Agreement, the last 20 years have been characterised by a border which people have been able to cross easily,” said the 2004 presidential election loser.
    “If you have a certain kind of Brexit with a hard border you could see great difficulties emerge as a consequence of that,” he claimed.
    In an echo of President Obama’s threats about Britain being sent to “the back of the queue” for a trade deal with the United States in the event of a Leave vote — now utterly repudiated by the Donald Trump administration, which has put Brexit Britain “at the front of the line” — Kerry warned he had “concerns that depending on what kind of Brexit takes place it could have a negative impact on the progress made” in Northern Ireland.
    “It could re-heat passions one way or the other or both depending on what it is. We have to see how this is going to be resolved. It’s imperative that it’s resolved in a way that it does not reignite the Troubles,” said Kerry, suggesting the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) could easily recommence its long campaign of assassinations and terror bombings again British soldiers, police officers, politicians, and civilians — despite its claims to have disarmed as a result of the 20-year-old peace deal.


    A clear majority of Northern Ireland’s people endorsed the Union with Great Britain in a 1973 referendum, so suggestions that the British government should bow to EU demands on customs and regulation in order to appease any potential terrorists are controversial in the Province.
    The idea that it could erupt into violence over something as trivial as customs checks has also been called into question by some, including Brexit-supporting Labour’s Kate Hoey, a London MP with Ulster roots.
    “[I] wish Chuka Umunna would stop using the Belfast agreement as [a] reason the stay in the [EU] Customs Union,” she wrote in February 2018, after the Remain diehard made similar allusions to Kerry about Brexit undermining peace in the Province.
    “[It is] insulting to people in Northern Ireland and sends a signal to men of violence,” she added, indicating that it was not helpful for Remainers to legitimise the idea of Irish nationalists carrying out attacks in response to Brexit.

    More at: https://www.breitbart.com/europe/201...reland-terror/
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    Theresa May has suffered two humiliating defeats in parliament as MPs flex their muscles ahead of a Commons showdown over her deal.
    In extraordinary scenes, the government was found to be in contempt of parliament over its refusal to publish key Brexit papers after opposition MPs won a narrow victory to force their hand.
    Tory rebels then inflicted a further defeat on the prime minister, by backing an amendment that would give MPs control over Brexit if Ms May's deal is voted down next week.

    More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/brexit-li...085740589.html
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    The Northern Irish party propping up Prime Minister Theresa May's government will vote against any attempt to topple her if she is defeated in a vote to approve her Brexit deal next week, a group of eurosceptic MPs said on Wednesday."The (Democratic Unionist Party) DUP will support the government in a confidence motion if the Withdrawal Agreement (WA) is voted down. But the risk of losing (their support) and having an election is if the WA goes through," Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg told a meeting of the European Research Group, according to a statement.
    The statement was issued following a meeting with DUP deputy leader Nigel Dodds.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/northern-...-business.html
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    The Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) are unhappy with the EU divorce deal's so-called backstop provision which will align Northern Ireland more closely with the European Union than the rest of the United Kingdom if no other way can be found to avoid a hard border with the Republic of Ireland.
    "Devastating," Nigel Dodds said on Twitter after the advice was published. "The legal advice just published proves NI (Northern Ireland) would be in full EU Customs Union while GB (Great Britain) is not."

    More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/northern-...122218811.html
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    Despite losing an unprecedented Commons vote to hold her government in contempt earlier this week, UK Prime Minister Theresa May is standing by her position that her deal cannot be altered in any meaningful way - and that's a huge problem for everyone hoping to avert a 'no deal' Brexit.

    After meeting with her cabinet on Thursday, May reportedly acknowledged that the deal might need to be amended to allow Parliament some kind of veto over whether to enter into the backstop - which would keep the UK inside the EU customs union after December 2020, when the Brexit transition period is expected to end. However, she is reportedly still insisting that the only options on the table are "no deal", "her deal" or "no Brexit".
    Two notable things from PM on Today - 1. She tried to scotch idea of delaying or pulling the vote 2. Confirmed idea of a role for MPs in deciding whether to go in or out of backstop - some kind of parliamentary lock - might peel off a few but unlikely to be credible with Brussels
    — Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) December 6, 2018
    However, BBC Political editor Laur Kuenssberg said the possibility that Parliament takes control of the process to try and find "another way through" is looking increasingly likely.
    And PM said again and again, No deal, No Brexit or Her deal - but 4th option seems equally likely right now, Parliament takes control of process and tries to find another way through
    — Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) December 6, 2018
    Since the bill, in its current form, appears to be headed for almost certain defeat. In recognition of this unavoidable fact, conservative leaders on Thursday reportedly said they would "welcome" a delay of the planned Dec. 11 vote to stave off a massive defeat that could bring down May's government. But even though the odds remain heavily stacked against her (100 Tory MPs have said they would vote against her deal, and that was before the release of AG Geoffrey Cox's legal advice, which confirmed many Brexiteers' worst fears about May's deal), No. 10 Downing Street asserted on Thursday that the vote would proceed as planned, according to Reuters.
    "The vote will take place on Tuesday as planned," May’s spokeswoman said. The House of Commons leader, Andrea Leadsom, also told parliament the vote would go ahead on Dec. 11.
    The day before the vote, on Dec. 10, the EU’s top court will deliver a judgment on whether Britain can unilaterally halt Brexit.
    EU negotiator Michel Barnier said on Thursday the deal was the best Britain will get, while British finance minister Philip Hammond said it was “simply a delusion” to think the agreement could be renegotiated if parliament rejects it.
    May used an interview on BBC radio to press on with her bid to persuade lawmakers to back her deal.
    "There are three options: one is to leave the European Union with a deal...the other two are that we leave without a deal or that we have no Brexit at all," she said.
    In one potential concession, May said she recognized that there were concerns among lawmakers about the so-called Northern Irish backstop and she was looking at whether parliament could be given a greater role in deciding whether to trigger it.
    “I am talking to colleagues about how we can look at parliament having a role in going into that and, if you like, coming out of that,” she said.
    At this point in the Brexit deal debate, May's insistence on holding a vote on the deal as-is despite its almost-certain defeat verges on the irrational. Why hold a vote on a deal that's doomed to fail?
    We can think of only one reason: To help justify holding a second Brexit referendum - or the cancellation of Brexit altogether. Wall Street firms, it seems, would tend to agree. After all, JPM on Wednesday raised the odds of a reversal of Brexit to 40%.



    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...certain-defeat
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    Police are bracing for potential violence and disorder at a Brexit march led by Tommy Robinson and Ukip, as some demonstrators look to France’s “yellow vests” protesters for inspiration.
    Roads in central London are to be closed off for Sunday’s “Brexit betrayal” demonstration and counter-protests, and officers may ask bars and pubs to shut in the surrounding area.
    Robinson, the English Defence League (EDL) founder who has been welcomed into the Ukip fold as an adviser to leader Gerard Batten, has praised rioters in Paris on social media.
    Sharing footage of violence and vandalism to his more than one million Facebook followers, he characterised the movement as “anger at the corrupt political class”.
    “Revolution is coming, prime minister May should take note,” Robinson wrote, while promoting the protest.
    In a subsequent video, he appealed to supporters to be on “impeccable behaviour”, adding: “It’s not a day out for a drink.”
    Some are planning to wear yellow vests themselves, and a group calling themselves the “Yellowjackets Movement UK Division (sic)” has formed.
    Members, including EDL, Britain First and For Britain supporters, have shared footage instructing viewers how to fight riot police and showing an effigy of Emmanuel Macron being beheaded.
    “I would rather die on my feet fighting, than on my knees bowing down to the EU and Islam,” one man wrote.


    Ukip’s official event page for the Brexit march said it would be “a democratic and peaceful demonstration expressing the strength of feeling amongst Leavers”.
    The party is looking to gain fresh momentum following a wave of resignations from MEPs and high-profile figures, including Nigel Farage, over Robinson’s appointment and Mr Batten’s focus on Islam.
    Robinson called the exodus “brilliant”, adding: “Ukip needed to get rid of its dead wood and that’s what is happening. And then it can become a populist, revolutionist political party.”
    Mr Batten has been bullish about Robinson’s appointment in television interviews, but in a Ukip Facebook video he admitted: “I do wonder if I made a wise decision, but I’ve asked him to do this for us and what he can bring to the table is access to a million Facebook followers.”

    The anti-Islam activist, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, will be giving a speech at the march alongside controversial YouTubers who have been welcomed into Ukip in recent months.


    Protesters are due to march from Hyde Park to Parliament Square, where a rally will be held as police keep counter-demonstrators in a separate part of Westminster.
    “We’ll be there for a couple of hours listening to the speakers and then go home in an orderly fashion,” Mr Batten said last week. “I’ve persuaded Tommy Robinson to talk about Brexit, that’s what he will be talking about. Brexit and the EU will be the only subjects on the agenda at that rally. We want as many there as possible to show you’re opposed to this withdrawal agreement, we want to dump the deal.”
    Around 1,300 people have pledged to attend on Facebook and the number of marchers is not expected to approach the hundreds of thousands who demonstrated for a Final Say referendum on Brexit in October.
    London’s Metropolitan Police have imposed strict conditions on the march and counter-protests in efforts to keep opposing demonstrators apart.
    Police warned that anyone breaking restrictions under the Public Order Act, which require protesters to stay within designated areas and leave by a stated time, is committing a criminal offence and will be arrested.

    More at: https://news.yahoo.com/met-police-br...154210993.html
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  24. #21
    With only two days of debate left before Theresa May's planned vote on her supremely unpopular Brexit plan, May's government has never looked more vulnerable. Over the weekend, a handful of senior ministers have threatened to resign en masse if May doesn't return to Brussels to try and "handbag" her EU rivals into offering a better deal (one that doesn't create the possibility that the UK could be trapped within the EU customs union indefinitely, with no say over the rules by which it must abide), according to the Telegraph.
    Though May has resolutely insisted that the vote will be held as scheduled on Tuesday following the end of a five-day period of debate, the revelations from her attorney general's legal advice - released by No. 10 last week under duress after May was found to be 'in contempt' of an earlier vote calling for a "full report" on the AG's advice - confirmed the worst fears of Tory Brexiteers, and have caused even more conservatives to come out against the deal (the public count was 108 so far, likely enough to sink May's deal, assuming the DUP, SNP and the majority of Labour MPs also vote against). Cabinet minister Penny Mordaunt, who opted to stay on and try to change May's deal from the inside, is said to be weighing a resignation in the next 48 hours if May doesn't attempt to win a better deal.
    In what amounted to a very public rebuke of May's position, Will Quince resigned Sunday as parliamentary private secretary in the Ministry of Defence, saying in a Telegraph editorial that "I do not want to be explaining to my constituents why Brexit is still not over and we are still obeying EU rules in the early 2020s or beyond."


    And though a few senior ministers have insisted on cable news that May's deal could still pass (Brexit Minister Kwasi Kwarteng argued as much during a Sunday interview), former foreign secretary Boris Johnson raised the stakes should the deal be met with defeat by telling the BBC that May must reject the "unacceptable" agreement with the EU (suggesting that she try withholding UK payments tot he bloc) or hinting that he could stage a challenge for the conservative leadership, according to Bloomberg.
    Specifically, Johnson demanded that May extricate the UK from the "backstop mess", which remains the primary objection for the EU.
    Meanwhile, Labour MP Jon Trickett said Sunday that Labour is ready to form a minority government during the chaotic aftermath of a failed vote on May's deal - something that could open the door to another general election (one that the conservatives fear could lead to Labour winning an outright majority and Corbyn replacing May as prime minister).
    "We are ready to form a minority government should that be necessary - and it could happen on Wednesday morning - and to begin to reset the negotiation and take the country forward in a much better direction."
    With Jeremy Corbyn and Johnson breathing down her neck, May is reportedly seriously considering a return to Brussels on Monday - the same day that the ECJ is expected to declare that the UK could unilaterally declare an end to the Brexit process - to try and "handbag" her former partners into a better deal, according to the Sunday Times. Top EU bureaucrats including Donald Tusk and Jean Claude Juncker have repeatedly insisted that no changes can be made to the current deal, and it's unlikely that any changes to the accompanying political statement setting out a framework for future trade talks would be enough to placate angry Brexiteers.
    If the deal does come up for a vote, Conservative and Labour MPs are conspiring to pass a motion that would require votes on the individual provisions of the deal - in effect wresting control of the negotiation process from May. Amber Rudd, the Remain-backing Work and Pensions Secretary, became the first Cabinet minister to discuss publicly the merits of a “Plan B” if Mrs May crashes to defeat, by backing a Norway-style solution to Brexit.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...t-deal-brought
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  25. #22
    After being greeted by jeers from the House of Commons, May has confirmed that she will be cancelling the vote and returning to Brussels to try and work out a more agreeable arrangement for the Irish backstop that will address the concerns of Brexiteers. The jeers grew louder when May brought up the possibility that a defeat for her deal could mean no Brexit. Continuing its downward moment from earlier in the day, the pound is moving lower on May's comments.

    Headlines are rolling in:

    • U.K.'S MAY CONFIRMS SHE'S PULLING BREXIT VOTE IN PARLIAMENT
    • MAY: CHALLENGE OF IRISH BORDER MUST BE MET WITH REAL SOLUTIONS
    • MAY: DETERMINED TO DO ALL I CAN TO GET THIS DEAL OVER THE LINE
    • MAY: WILL DO ALL POSSIBLE FOR `FURTHER ASSURANCES' ON BACKSTOP

    Here are a few key quotes from May's remarks.

    • "There is no deal available that does not include the backstop."
    • "There will be no enduring and successful Brexit without some compromise on both sides of the debate," May says.
    • "If you take a step back, it is clear that this House faces a much more fundamental question: Does this House want to deliver Brexit?"

    It's now Jeremy Corbyn's turn to speak: He has said that if May cannot win a workable deal, "then she must make way" (presumably, for a Labour-lead government."
    Here are a few highlights from the Labour leader's rebuttal.

    • "The government has lost control of events and is now in disarray."
    • Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn says U.K. govt "has taken the desperate step" of delaying the parliament vote on its "disastrous" Brexit plan
    • A better Brexit deal is "desirable" and "possible"

    * * *



    Not only will there not be a Brexit vote tomorrow (which should come as a relief to cable pulls since fears that MPs would force a vote helped trigger the pound's downward spiral on Monday) but May has refused to commit to a specific deadline date for the vote, instead insisting that it will only be held once "assurances have been achieved."
    • EU MINISTERS WON'T DISCUSS BREXIT AT TUESDAY MEETING: OFFICIAL
    • NO VOTE NEEDED TO DELAY VOTE, DEBATE IS PAUSED: U.K. OFFICIAL
    • BREXIT VOTE TO BE HELD ONCE ASSURANCES ACHIEVED: U.K. OFFICIAL
    • UK PLANNED CABINET MTG TUES. HAS BEEN CANCELLED: PA

    Meanwhile, EU ministers are saying they won't discuss Brexit at a previously scheduled meeting on Tuesday which...doesn't bode well for May's hopes to deliver a deal-changing "handbagging."
    * * *

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  26. #23
    Just a few hours after the embattled U.K. prime minister announced to the House of Commons she would defer the critical Brexit vote - facing certain and humiliating defeat - and return to Brussels to seek “assurances” from European Union leaders, the fate of any upcoming votes to ratify the deal is now in limbo.
    As ITV's Richard Peston reported, "it appears that UK PM May could keep the current talks with EU going well past January 21st "perhaps right up to Brexit day 29 March, and avoid any parliamentary Brexit vote," effectively eliminating a popular vote of disapproval for her process.
    I may have got this wrong. Looking at European Union Withdrawal Act it seems that @theresa_may could keep the current talks with EU going well passed 21 Jan, perhaps right up to Brexit day 29 March, and avoid any parliamentary Brexit vote. @YvetteCooperMP understandably concerned https://t.co/1kgnGmXBxJ
    — Robert Peston (@Peston) December 10, 2018
    That, as Bloomberg notes, raises the prospect that May will be back in Parliament in January with virtually the same deal, relying on tanking markets, a crashing pound and frightening no-deal preparations - including even more doomsday rhetoric from the Bank of England - to convince lawmakers to back her. Sadly for May, the parliamentary arithmetic won’t have changed, as only an election can do that. And an election is out of the question as May will almost certainly lose her job, potentially resetting the Brexit process back to square one (or perhaps minus one).
    Meanwhile, with the Brexit vote in parliament indefinitely postponed, the UK Parliament will debate the vote delay for three hours on Tuesday according to House of Commons Speaker John Bercow, assuring even more drama and chaos.
    The debate was demanded by opposition Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn, who said May has shown “disregard for Parliament and the rights of this house” by making a “unilateral” decision to delay vote on her Brexit deal. While the debate won’t be binding on May’s government, contributions "will reflect anger" at May avoiding what was predicted to be a heavy defeat of her deal in House of Commons, according to Bloomberg.
    Even so, Corbyn won't table a "no confidence" motion against Theresa May's government until there's been a formal vote on the withdrawal agreement, effectively trapping May in a no way out situation.
    And while the domestic chaos hit previously unseen levels, in Brussels European Council President Donald Tusk called a leaders’ meeting on Brexit for Thursday, but made it clear that the EU "will not renegotiate the deal" even as he tweeted that "we are ready to discuss how to facilitate ratification."
    Amusingly, it's not just Europe that refuses to renegotiate the deal: Irish PM Leo Varadkar was also on the tape re-iterating that the deal cannot be renegotiated.
    All this is happening as May’s critics hate the agreement she negotiated because, as BBG notes, they think she’s allowing the U.K. to be trapped in the EU’s orbit indefinitely - a situation they consider even worse than current membership.
    To that end, the Daily Mail's tweeted that Brexiteers claim to have heard of "a couple more" letters of no confidence in Theresa May going in tonight, which means that should the total surpass 48, May's cabinet may fall even before a vote in Parliament is held... if one is held to begin with.
    If that wasn't enough, juggling a seemingly infinite number of variables, May said the government will step up preparations in case Britain does crash out of the bloc on March 29, which is less than 4 months from now. She once again brought up the threat of no-deal - the worse-case scenario for business - as a weapon to try and bring rebellious Conservatives on both sides of the Brexit debate into line.
    To be sure, as the Brexit chaos hits previously unimaginable levels, traders no longer are able to follow every twist and turn in this melodramatic tragicomedy, and appears to be resigned to just sell the pound as it now appears that the only thing that can get the pound to surge - i.e., get a Brexit deal - is if the pound first crash. It did so today, with sterling hit the lowest since April as the market either judged that the risk of no-deal Brexit has increased, or realized that the only way to get a deal is to scare parliament into voting for May's deal.

    So what happens next? Nobody knows.


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  27. #24
    She was an EU agent from the beginning. Total betrayal.
    The government is illegitimate.



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  29. #25
    The European Court of Justice issued a ruling on Dec. 10 that the United Kingdom can unilaterally revoke its notification of the intention to leave the European Union. The British government can withdraw its decision to invoke Article 50 of the EU Treaty and keep the country in the European Union as long as the withdrawal agreement has not entered into force, or as long as the Article 50 procedure and its extensions are continuing.

    More at: https://worldview.stratfor.com/situa...cess-ecj-rules
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  30. #26
    The president of the European Council has ruled out renegotiating Theresa May’s Brexit deal and its controversial backstop at a scheduled summit in Brussels later this week.
    Donald Tusk said leaders would discuss the agreement struck last month at a meeting and that leaders were “ready to discuss how to facilitate UK ratification”.
    But he warned that the bloc would use the meeting to discuss no-deal planning “as time is running out”.
    His comments came after Theresa May said she would go back to Brussels to seek further concessions from the EU after an overwhelmingly negative reception to her deal from MPs.
    The European Commission and several key member states on Monday also ruled out changing the controversial withdrawal agreement.
    “I have decided to call European Council on Brexit on Thursday,” Mr Tusk said on Monday evening. “We will not renegotiate the deal, including the backstop, but we are ready to discuss how to facilitate UK ratification. As time is running out, we will also discuss our preparedness for a no-deal scenario.”
    The council president is said to be consulting with EU27 leaders ahead of the summit.

    A European Commission spokesperson said: “We have an agreement on the table that was endorsed by the European Council in its Article 50 format on the 25 November. As president Juncker said, this deal is the best and only deal possible.
    “We will not renegotiate, our position has not changed, and as far as we are concerned, the United Kingdom is leaving the European Union on 29 March 2019.”
    The prime minister told the Commons on Monday that she would go back to Brussels and was confident of getting legally binding assurances that the “backstop” portion of the deal – which is unpopular with her MPs – would never be used.
    But EU member states who broke their silence all said the agreement was not up for discussion – a united line they have taken since it was agreed last month. Irish prime minister Leo Varadkar, who has been central to Brexit talks because of the Northern Ireland border issue, said in Dublin on Monday that there could be no changes to the agreement but suggested clarifications could be made.
    “The withdrawal agreement, including the Irish backstop, is the only agreement on the table. It’s not possible to reopen any aspect of that agreement without reopening all aspects,” he said.
    But he warned that “no statement of clarification can contradict what’s in the withdrawal agreement”.
    Guy Verhofstadt, the European Parliament’s Brexit coordinator, blasted the government for suspending the planned vote formerly scheduled for Tuesday.
    “I can’t follow any more. After two years of negotiations, the Tory government wants to delay the vote,” Mr Verhofstadt said.


    “Just keep in mind that we will never let the Irish down. This delay will further aggravate the uncertainty for people and businesses. It’s time they make up their mind!”
    The Brexit coordinator’s comments echo the feelings of many in Brussels who were shocked by the UK’s decision to suspend the parliamentary showdown. That intervention came as Commons speaker John Bercow described the decision, apparently taken by the prime minister this morning, as “discourteous”.

    More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/brexit-eu...182500840.html
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  31. #27
    Guy Elster
    BREAKING EU Commission chief Juncker says 'no room whatsoever for renegotiation' of Brexit deal.. 'Ireland will nvr be left alone.'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yFtq8yhU3o
    Last edited by goldenequity; 12-11-2018 at 08:00 AM.

  32. #28
    What looked like the first stirrings of a recovery in the pound Tuesday morning has given way to more selling, as the British currency tumbled to $1.2502 - just above a key psychological threshold - following reports that the conservatives' 1922 committee had finally received the 48 letters of no confidence necessary to trigger a vote of no confidence in Prime Minister Theresa May.
    The no confidence letter count stood at 46 as recently as Tuesday morning. However, a few frustrated remainers joined with their Brexiteer peers to push the total over the top. What's worse, the gesture of contempt comes as May is out of the country on a "whistlestop" our of European capitals in a desperate bid to achieve "assurances" on the Irish backstop that multiple EU leaders have said they wouldn't be willing to give.


    In what has become a regular feature of the Brexit chaos, reports that the threshold had been reached were almost immediately contradicted...
    Masses of speculation about the numbers going in - lots of people hoping the 48 has been reached, but not clear - ‘we’ll def have them by....’ - fill in the blanks - but as @BethRigby says, mood seems to be hardening towards PM for sure https://t.co/SHA1iSw5Wg
    — Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) December 11, 2018
    ...Which was followed by a wave of reports insisting that yes, the threshold has been reached.
    Here we go again. An ERG source writes: "They've reached 48 letters. Whitehall confirmed and someone in the chairman's office."
    — Adam Payne (@adampayne26) December 11, 2018


    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...onfidence-vote
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  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    What looked like the first stirrings of a recovery in the pound Tuesday morning has given way to more selling, as the British currency tumbled to $1.2502 - just above a key psychological threshold - following reports that the conservatives' 1922 committee had finally received the 48 letters of no confidence necessary to trigger a vote of no confidence in Prime Minister Theresa May.
    The no confidence letter count stood at 46 as recently as Tuesday morning. However, a few frustrated remainers joined with their Brexiteer peers to push the total over the top. What's worse, the gesture of contempt comes as May is out of the country on a "whistlestop" our of European capitals in a desperate bid to achieve "assurances" on the Irish backstop that multiple EU leaders have said they wouldn't be willing to give.


    In what has become a regular feature of the Brexit chaos, reports that the threshold had been reached were almost immediately contradicted...
    Masses of speculation about the numbers going in - lots of people hoping the 48 has been reached, but not clear - ‘we’ll def have them by....’ - fill in the blanks - but as @BethRigby says, mood seems to be hardening towards PM for sure https://t.co/SHA1iSw5Wg
    — Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) December 11, 2018
    ...Which was followed by a wave of reports insisting that yes, the threshold has been reached.
    Here we go again. An ERG source writes: "They've reached 48 letters. Whitehall confirmed and someone in the chairman's office."
    — Adam Payne (@adampayne26) December 11, 2018
    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...onfidence-vote
    Global: MilitaryInfo
    FLASH: Enough letters have been sent to trigger a no-confidence vote on PM Theresa May - Sky News Political Editor


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/...62020548759553


    --------


    https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/st...64666114383872

    ----


    https://twitter.com/guyelster/status...59400476094464
    Last edited by goldenequity; 12-12-2018 at 02:46 AM.

  34. #30
    If I had the money to buy pounds by the pound... Oh, lawdamercy.

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