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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Never see that in the "home of the brave".
    We're 5 to 10 years behind them, thanks to the reserve currency buffer and the exclusive oil deal with the Saudis. It's coming.

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    Americans are way wackier than French, and we have military grade weapons at our disposal. It's going to be fun, when the top spins off here. Sure, many people are addicted to their job, but once that habit is kicked, it will be GAME ON. Americans just need a little push to reclaim the terrorizer urges.
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    Trump blames the voluntary climate agreement.



    (they weren't chanting "We Want Trump" either- https://factcheck.afp.com/no-french-...-we-want-trump )

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    As the evening wore on, French officials said that 125,000 protesters took to the streets during "Act IV" of the Yellow Vest anti-government demonstrations, with 10,000 protesting in Paris. In total, 1,385 people were arrested amid an incredibly heavy police presence.

    17 members of French law enforcement and over 100 protesters were injured, including a man whose hand was blown off after reportedly picking up a grenade fired by police.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...ng-fourth-week
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    Belgian police detained more than 400 people on Saturday after "yellow vest" protesters inspired by riots in France threw rocks and firecrackers and damaged shops and cars as they tried to reach official buildings in Brussels.In the second violence of its kind in the capital in eight days, a crowd which police estimated at around 1,000 faced riot squads who used water cannon and tear gas to keep people away from the European Union headquarters and the nearby Belgian government quarter. Calm was restored after about five hours.

    More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/brussels-...170201441.html
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    https://twitter.com/TheaDickinson/st...12148273172481

    brutal

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    https://twitter.com/Nidalgazaui/stat...73443739557893



    https://twitter.com/NevaCosmopolit/s...48197909958657


    Protests in Toulouse:

    https://twitter.com/NevaCosmopolit/s...81843793453056


    wtf?


    https://twitter.com/elPompe_funebre/...91275408166912
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    Will Paris Riots Scuttle Climate Accord?

    https://www.takimag.com/article/will...limate-accord/

    by Patrick J. Buchanan

    December 04, 2018




    Will Paris Riots Scuttle Climate Accord?
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    In Katowice, Poland, all the signers of the 2015 Paris climate accord are gathered to assess how the world’s nations are meeting their goals to cut carbon emissions.

    Certainly, the communications strategy in the run-up was impressive.

    In October came that apocalyptic U.N. report warning that the world is warming faster than we thought and the disasters coming sooner than we thought.


    What disasters? More and worse hurricanes, uncontrollable fires, floods, the erosion of coastlines, typhoons, drought, tsunamis, the sinking of islands into the sea.

    In November, a scientific report issued by 13 U.S. agencies warned that if greater measures are not taken to reduce global warming, the damage could knock 10 percent off the size of the U.S. economy by century’s end.

    At the G-20 meeting in Buenos Aires, 19 of the attending nations recommitted to the Paris accord. Only President Trump’s America did not.

    Yet, though confidence may abound in Katowice that the world will meet the goals set down in Paris in 2015, the global environmentalists seem to be losing momentum and losing ground.

    Consider what happened this weekend in France.

    Saturday, rage over a fuel tax President Emmanuel Macron has proposed to cut carbon emissions brought mobs into the heart of Paris, where they battled police, burned cars, looted, smashed show windows of elite stores such as Dior and Chanel, and desecrated the Arc de Triomphe.

    In solidarity with the Paris rioters, protests in other French cities erupted.

    Virulently anti-elite, the protesters say they cannot make ends meet with the present burdens on the working and middle class.

    Specifically, what the rioters seem to be saying is this:

    We cannot see the benefits you are promising to future generations from cutting carbon emissions. And we cannot survive the taxes you are imposing on us in the here and now.

    What is happening in Paris carries a message for all Western countries.

    “What is happening in Paris carries a message for all Western countries.”
    Democracies, which rely on the sustained support of electorates, have to impose rising costs on those electorates, if they are to deeply cut carbon emissions.

    But when the electorates cannot see the benefits of these painful price hikes, the greater the likelihood the people will rise up and repudiate those whom progressives regard as far-sighted leaders — such as Macron.

    Paris shows that Western elites may be reaching the limits of their political capacity to impose major sacrifices upon their constituents, who are turning to populists of the left and right to dethrone those elites.

    Trump has been using tariffs to cut the trade deficits America has been running in recent decades, to bring manufacturing back to the USA, and to restore America’s economic independence.

    Excellent goals all. But the immediate impact of those tariffs is rising prices at the mall and retaliatory tariffs on U.S. exports. Before the long-term benefits can be realized, the pain comes and the protests begin.

    No one wins a trade war, we are told. But an America willing to endure lost access to British imports in the 19th century emerged in the 20th as the greatest manufacturing power history had ever seen, a nation independent of all others, and able to stay out of the great wars of that century.

    Are the American people willing to make the sacrifices to restore that independence? Are the British people willing to pay the price that the restoration of their national independence, via Brexit, entails?

    Authoritarians have it easier. Morally revolting and socially ruinous as its hellish policy was, China was able to impose, for decades, a one-couple, one-child mandate on the most populous nation on earth.

    According to the Paris agreement, poorer nations were promised $100 billion a year, starting in 2020, to cut carbon emissions. Anyone think that the newly nationalistic peoples of the West will tolerate that kind of wealth transfer to the Third World indefinitely?

    In the Paris climate accord, China and India were given a pass to produce carbon emissions, while reductions were mandated for the Western powers.

    How long will the West go along with that, while paying ever-rising prices to cut their own carbon emissions?

    China, according to The New York Times, “consumes half the world’s coal. More than 4.3 million Chinese are employed in the country’s coal mines. China has added 40 percent of the world’s coal capacity since 2002.”

    Japan, the world’s third-largest economy, is planning new coal-fired power plants and financing them across Asia.

    What we are witnessing is an irrepressible conflict between democratic governments committed to cutting carbon emissions “to save the planet,” and their constituents who can refuse to bear those sacrifices by throwing out politicians like Macron.

    Perhaps it says something about the future that the host city for this meeting of Paris climate accord signatories, Katowice, is in Silesia, a region that is home to some 90,000 coal workers — around half of all the coal workers in the EU.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    cult psy-op is no longer content doing just commentary and analysis but now has become a 'brand' doing live advertisement within real events/chaos. Maybe some parallels to 'Kilroy was Here' graffiti appearing all over the world during WW2.
    There is some 'dry' humor involved also I think... just like Kilroy.


    I had to look it up...
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    Climate taxes will be the funding bedrock of the coming global government. Yes, indeed. It's starting.

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    In his first public comments in more than a week, French President Emmanuel Macron said on Monday that his administration will show "no mercy" towards "Yellow Vest" protesters who have committed violence over the last four weeks of demonstrations across the country, while also announcing a series of economic measures in an attempt to restore calm.

    "When violence is unleashed, freedom ends," said Macron - while acknowledging that there is a "deep anger" at the French government that is justified - yet which should not devolve into violence. Macron added that he shares some responsibility for the situation - which began as a climate change-linked fuel tax and quickly transformed into a general anti-government protest.

    To combat future violence, Macron will use "all means' to restore calm, and has called for an "economic and social state of emergency," according to AP.
    Economic relief
    Macron - whose approval rating is at an all time low, says he has asked his government to increase wages by 100 euros per month beginning in January as part of a series of new measures to be released in detail on Tuesday. He also announced that overtime hours won't be subject to payroll tax, and that his administration will scrap a tax hike on poor and low-income retirees. Furthermore, Mcron asked companies to pay end-of-year bonuses which won't be taxed, and will suspend a CSG levy on pensions below 2,000 euros per month.
    Macron also said that immigration "must be debated" as well, as anti-immigrant sentiment has spread throughout Europe.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...est-protesters
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  22. #79
    France is investigating Russia over the yellow vest riots. Sorry, Macron, please look in the mirror.

    Please consider France to Probe Possible Russian Influence on Yellow Vest Riots.
    France opened a probe into possible Russian interference behind the country’s Yellow Vest protests, after reports that social-media accounts linked to Moscow have increasingly targeted the movement.
    According to the Alliance for Securing Democracy, about 600 Twitter accounts known to promote Kremlin views have begun focusing on France, boosting their use of the hashtag giletsjaunes, the French name for the Yellow Vest movement. French security services are looking at the situation, Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said Sunday in a radio interview with RTL.
    “An investigation is now underway,” Le Drian said. “I will not make comments before the investigation has brought conclusions.”
    The Twitter accounts monitored by the alliance usually feature U.S. or British news. But the French protests “have been at or near the top” of their activity for at least a week, according to Bret Schafer, the alliance’s Washington-based social media analyst. “That’s a pretty strong indication that there is interest in amplifying the conflict” for audiences outside France.
    Damn. Maybe it's me. Or ZeroHedge. Or the Washington Post. Or anyone else writing about events in France. Even Trump!
    As noted yesterday, 4th Weekend of French Riots, Trump Blames Climate Change, Others Blame Facebook.
    Then again, perhaps media interest is up due to four weeks of rioting in Paris. Could that possibly be it?
    Nah.
    It's Russia. Let's start the investigation there. If that fails, try Facebook.


    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...low-vest-riots
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    Political opponents, who have largely failed so far to tap into the discontent from the leaderless "yellow vest", criticized Macron's response as insufficient.
    "Emmanuel Macron thought he could hand out some cash to calm the citizen's insurrection that has erupted," said Jean-Luc Melenchon, leader of the far-left La France Insoumise.
    "I believe that Act V (of the protests) will play out on Saturday," he said, referring to a new round of protests planned this weekend.
    One of the faces of the "yellow vest" movement appeared unconvinced as well.
    "In terms of substance, these are half measures. We can feel that Macron has got a lot more to give," Benjamin Cauchy, who met the French leader last week, told France 2 television.

    More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/french-pr...-business.html
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    Yellow vests could never happen here.

    Swalwell would nuke us.

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    Q
    !!mG7VJxZNCI
    ID: b8c9d3
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    Dec 11 2018 17:45:43 (EST)
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    How do you quell 'growing' protests against you?
    https://www.hannity.com/media-room/m...or-watch-list/
    Notice a pattern?

    Q
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    The Yellow Vest movement has largely rejected French President Emmanuel Macron’s concession speech, claiming it was an insincere “charade.”
    “He is trying to do a pirouette to land back on his feet but we can see that he isn’t sincere, that it’s all smoke and mirrors,” Jean-Marc, a car mechanic told the AFP Monday.
    According to local media, other French citizens described the speech as “window dressing,” “a bluff,” a “drop in the ocean,” “nonsense,” and a “charade.”

    “Maybe if Macron had made this speech three weeks ago, it would have calmed the movement, but now it’s too late,” said one Yellow Vest protester. “For us, this speech is nonsense.”

    The protesters said Macron’s concessions didn’t amount to much change.
    “He is being held hostage so he drops some crumbs,” said a 35-year-old official.
    Many protesters indicated they would continue their “Gilet Jaunes” movement.
    “We’re really wound up, we’re going back to battle,” said a 55 year-old bike mechanic.
    “The door is now open, we must seize the opportunity,” said Jacline Mouraud, an early leader of the protests.

    More at: https://www.infowars.com/charade-yel...ession-speech/
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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  28. #84
    These aren't "diesel [tax] protests."

    That may have been the spark, but these are socialist protests riots, reacting to Macron's tentative steps toward liberalization (esp. re the labor market). The voters want more guaranteed employment and other forms of welfare; they just want the rich (or perhaps unicorns) to pay for it: gilet jaunes = sans culottes. Macron's in the process of making concessions to the mob. I'm sure he thinks this is the only option, but I fear it'll turn out about as well as Louis' earlier concessions to an essentially identical mob. It would be better to crush them. There are probably still a fair number of French officers who loathe The Whore (i.e. the republic) and would be happy to do what's necessary to restore order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    These aren't "diesel [tax] protests."

    That may have been the spark, but these are socialist protests riots, reacting to Macron's tentative steps toward liberalization (esp. re the labor market). The voters want more guaranteed employment and other forms of welfare; they just want the rich (or perhaps unicorns) to pay for it: gilet jaunes = sans culottes. Macron's in the process of making concessions to the mob. I'm sure he thinks this is the only option, but I fear it'll turn out about as well as Louis' earlier concessions to an essentially identical mob. It would be better to crush them. There are probably still a fair number of French officers who loathe The Whore (i.e. the republic) and would be happy to do what's necessary to restore order.
    The protestors may have some wrong ideas about what the cure should consist of but they are absolutely right about the disease, France is overtaxed, over-regulated, being conquered by an unaccountable foreign ruling class in Brussels and being overrun by hostile foreign invaders with the collaboration of its own government.

    Macron must go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The protestors may have some wrong ideas about what the cure should consist of but they are absolutely right about the disease, France is overtaxed, over-regulated, being conquered by an unaccountable foreign ruling class in Brussels and being overrun by hostile foreign invaders with the collaboration of its own government.

    Macron must go.
    Sounds about like most western countries that are run by the bankers and their higher powers, including this one. Ultimately ruled by foreign powers under false pretenses (our capital city is FOREIGN to the 50 states) and guided by unelected shadow government agents like the NSA.

    The irony is that the Q "WWG1WGA" is a socialist slogan, but some people quote and promote Q as if it is something else, including you.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Sounds about like most western countries that are run by the bankers and their higher powers, including this one. Ultimately ruled by foreign powers under false pretenses (our capital city is FOREIGN to the 50 states) and guided by unelected shadow government agents like the NSA.

    The irony is that the Q "WWG1WGA" is a socialist slogan, but some people quote and promote Q as if it is something else, including you.
    WWG1WGA doesn't have to be socialist, just patriotic, in spite of the pretensions of anarchists Americans do share many concerns as a group and since Q says that the revolution against the evil powers that be is supposed to be world wide then all of humanity shares an interest in reforming the global status quo.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    WWG1WGA doesn't have to be socialist, just patriotic, in spite of the pretensions of anarchists Americans do share many concerns as a group and since Q says that the revolution against the evil powers that be is supposed to be world wide then all of humanity shares an interest in reforming the global status quo.
    Of course it's a socialist slogan. Where We Go One We Go All. That sounds pretty dang collectivist.

    The whole point of all "revolutions" in the past was to make people want the outcome that the shadow governments have pre-determined. IOW, you must want the outcome and consent to it.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book



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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Of course it's a socialist slogan. Where We Go One We Go All. That sounds pretty dang collectivist.
    Isn't the liberty movement collective action?
    Aren't we attempting to go towards liberty together?

    Not all collective action is "collectivist", "Where We Go One We Go All" is just a commitment to work together towards a common goal, in the case of Q that common goal is supposed to be the restoration of liberty and the rule of law.
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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Isn't the liberty movement collective action?

    Aren't we attempting to go towards liberty together?
    The original basis of the RP inspired liberty movement was, in a sense, collective but was also often referred to as "herding cats", since the only principle that people originally held collectively was to live life however each member chose to without government interference. Certainly not a notion of everyone going the same direction or sharing common political ideologies. Instead, the notion of collectively having the freedom to not have to go in the same direction. It's probably also why the movement has since deteriorated to what it is now.

    Not all collective action is "collectivist", "Where We Go One We Go All" is just a commitment to work together towards a common goal, in the case of Q that common goal is supposed to be the restoration of liberty and the rule of law.
    That would be believable if it didn't center around and sprout from Trump and his CFR/banker cabinet election. Regardless, it is a socialist slogan. Macron was installed to elicit the response that we are seeing today, in order to now herd the sheep in the direction that was pre-determined by those that installed him. It is indeed how all revolutions in relatively recent history have transpired.
    Last edited by devil21; 12-11-2018 at 10:33 PM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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