Do you want a freer country or do you just want to stroke your own ego?

[kcchiefs6465]

I would so much prefer republicans took 39% of everything I produce than the stinking, putrid, despicable demoncrats taking 40% that I can't even put it into words.

Bunch of ego stroking nonsense.

Progress is progress.

[Origanalist]

Bunch of ego stroking nonsense.

Progress is progress.

[kcchiefs6465]

39% is a small price to pay for insulted journalists and higher consumer prices.

ETA, I meant propagandists.

[kcchiefs6465]

39% is a small price to pay for insulted journalists and higher consumer prices.

He almost got us out of Afghanistan too, lest we forget.

[Anti Globalist]

I'd like to see a freer country but its not gonna happen anytime soon.

[Suzanimal]

I'm good at multitasking. I can do both.

[CCTelander]

39% is a small price to pay for insulted journalists and higher consumer prices.

ETA, I meant propagandists.

Far better to be mulcted by Republicans than Dems. Insulted "journalists" and higher consumer prices are icing on the cake.

[Swordsmyth]

Socialists want a society that is as fair as possible, liberty gives freedom to be selfish towards others.

Capitalism is a part of that.

Swordsmyth, you are dangerous and immoral.

Always comparing the needy, and lazy bastard poor like Chavez's old government. Socialists are corrupt.

You sir are dangerous and immoral, you have a god complex.

[Occam's Banana]

I'm good at multitasking. I can do both.

/thread

[A Son of Liberty]

Is that you or tulsa?

It's Mike Meyers, dumbass.

[A Son of Liberty]

You know, I'm no fan of Swordsmyth's, at all, but the above has to be the stupidest thing I've seen posted here in my entire 11 years as a member. And you've beaten some pretty stiff competition, including the occasional post by Swordy himself. Bravo. Truly remarkable.

lol true story

No, you are being an ass.

You are the ass

No you are

Can't figure out who to root for here, so I think I'll just enjoy the shtshow.

Swordsmyth, you are dangerous and immoral.

Always comparing the needy, and lazy bastard poor like Chavez's old government. Socialists are corrupt.

Dafuq...? You drinkin' kid?

Far better to be mulcted by Republicans than Dems. Insulted "journalists" and higher consumer prices are icing on the cake.

Unfortunately I am unable to bestow rep upon you, sir, so please have +1, with my regards.

[Madison320]

I would so much prefer republicans took 39% of everything I produce than the stinking, putrid, despicable demoncrats taking 40% that I can't even put it into words.

That reminds me of one of the worst laws in existence, progressive taxation. I'd rather everyone had to live under the same law and have to pay 39%, with no deductions at all. We'd have a much better chance at smaller govt if we had equal treatment under the law.

[Krugminator2]

Socialists want a society that is as fair as possible, liberty gives freedom to be selfish towards others.

Capitalism is a part of that.

People in a free society deal with each other voluntarily. Individuals trade with other when it is mutually beneficial. The only way someone gains is if the other person also feels like they are getting a good deal. Sounds like a pretty fair way of doing things to me.


How is what you are proposing fair? People voted democratically with their pocketbooks. You want to undo that and reward people like you who steal from everyone else. It is true what you are proposing is not "dog eat dog". It is anti-Darwinian. The weakest and laziest rise in your system and are held up as heroes for having a pulse. The successful are punished and plundered. The scorn that you have for the people who created the wealth that you can mooch off is an interesting part of human nature and it shows how corrupting handouts are to the recipient.

[Origanalist]

That reminds me of one of the worst laws in existence, progressive taxation. I'd rather everyone had to live under the same law and have to pay 39%, with no deductions at all. We'd have a much better chance at smaller govt if we had equal treatment under the law.

Always a pet peeve of mine, you hit a income bracket and it simply doesn't pay to work anymore. Infuriating.

[Danke]

I would so much prefer republicans took 39% of everything I produce than the stinking, putrid, despicable demoncrats taking 40% that I can't even put it into words.

I think if you add all the extras, 15.3 FICA, unemployment insurance/Comp taxes, sales taxes (and corporate taxes pass along down to the consumer in higher prices), property taxes, registration and other various fees, Utility/phone/Internet taxes, Capital gains taxes, etc., some are paying in excess of 60% of their money to the government.

[osan]

MAAAAAAAAAAAAAHM... BILLY'S STROKING HIS EGO AGAIN!!!!

WILLIAM RUTHERFORD JOHNSON! What have I told you about that?!! You stop that this instant!!

No son of mine is going around with a cane and palms need shavin', dammit.

[osan]

There is truth to the saying that no prison can hold the human mind, but I wish to free the bodies of men as well that they may better enjoy the freedom of their minds.

Understood.

[Anti Globalist]

This is most likely wishful thinking but I do hope that one day somebody will rise up and challenge this entire corrupt world to a fight.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

The vast majority of libertarians want to be perceived as radicals who want to change society, as opposed to actually doing the work necessary to change it. Say what you want about the left, most of the genuinely want to see whatever horrible visions they have come to fruition. The Liberty Movement, insofar as it was even a real thing, was largely an expression of psychological opposition to authority, lacking the patience, grit, and vision to actually enact change.

[Suzanimal]

The vast majority of libertarians want to be perceived as radicals who want to change society, as opposed to actually doing the work necessary to change it. Say what you want about the left, most of the genuinely want to see whatever horrible visions they have come to fruition. The Liberty Movement, insofar as it was even a real thing, was largely an expression of psychological opposition to authority, lacking the patience, grit, and vision to actually enact change.

I disagree with you about The Liberty Movement. I think TLR has had a few small wins here and there but things like Ending the Fed are such monumental tasks that only a handful of people with any power would support and help with that it's almost impossible to accomplish. Personally, I don't think I'll see any big wins for liberty in my lifetime. For the changes I want to see happen to stand a chance, it will most likely require a collapse of the current $#@! show. I'm not wishing for that to happen, btw. I think a collapse would be horrific and I don't wish that kind of suffering on anyone*.

The Lefties are successful because they have 1) a lot of celebrities and the press helping sell their ideas and 2) all their ideas expand government and the vast majority of Republicans in power, no matter how much lip service they pay to personal freedom and fiscal responsibility, love the idea of expanding the government.


*Almost anyone. I have a list of people I would actually enjoy watching suffer.

[Madison320]

Always a pet peeve of mine, you hit a income bracket and it simply doesn't pay to work anymore. Infuriating.

I think unlimited democracy + progressive taxation is by far the main cause of socialism. Everyone wants to raise taxes on the rich but not on themselves.

[Republicanguy]

People in a free society deal with each other voluntarily. Individuals trade with other when it is mutually beneficial. The only way someone gains is if the other person also feels like they are getting a good deal. Sounds like a pretty fair way of doing things to me.


How is what you are proposing fair? People voted democratically with their pocketbooks. You want to undo that and reward people like you who steal from everyone else. It is true what you are proposing is not "dog eat dog". It is anti-Darwinian. The weakest and laziest rise in your system and are held up as heroes for having a pulse. The successful are punished and plundered. The scorn that you have for the people who created the wealth that you can mooch off is an interesting part of human nature and it shows how corrupting handouts are to the recipient.

Your being a fool, you can't live in a society of the old, you can't live in a world without handouts or healthcare, because will always be somebody who will rely on that, if not me, it will be my neighbour or it will be yourself or your neighbour or the next man or woman in another state, then there is the state pension, everyone should save for it if we don't have a state pension.

You are looking at life in a simple way, the old west was hard and brutish, leftwing people want society to have safety nets, they aren't perfect, but one way to deal with America's problem is get rid of food stamps and replace it with cash.

[Origanalist]

Your being a fool, you can't live in a society of the old, you can't live in a world without handouts or healthcare, because will always be somebody who will rely on that, if not me, it will be my neighbour or it will be yourself or your neighbour or the next man or woman in another state, then there is the state pension, everyone should save for it if we don't have a state pension.

You are looking at life in a simple way, the old west was hard and brutish, leftwing people want society to have safety nets, they aren't perfect, but one way to deal with America's problem is get rid of food stamps and replace it with cash.

Put down the social crack pipe dude.

[Swordsmyth]

Your being a fool, you can't live in a society of the old, you can't live in a world without handouts or healthcare, because will always be somebody who will rely on that, if not me, it will be my neighbour or it will be yourself or your neighbour or the next man or woman in another state, then there is the state pension, everyone should save for it if we don't have a state pension.

You are looking at life in a simple way, the old west was hard and brutish, leftwing people want society to have safety nets, they aren't perfect, but one way to deal with America's problem is get rid of food stamps and replace it with cash.

[Republicanguy]

Put down the social crack pipe dude.

I can imagine what policy that would initiate in my country alone, dole offices would close, people couldn't pay their bills or the rent without housing benefit. In an ideal society none of this should be around, but it is, society is changing, technology is becoming a part of everyone's life. A self service machine gave me a 20p piece which is from the isle of Guernsey instead of the typical 20pence.

I think welfare will become a fact of life in the future for many, not as a temporary option but something that is permanent.

[Origanalist]

I can imagine what policy that would initiate in my country alone, dole offices would close, people couldn't pay their bills or the rent without housing benefit. In an ideal society none of this should be around, but it is, society is changing, technology is becoming a part of everyone's life. A self service machine gave me a 20p piece which is from the isle of Guernsey instead of the typical 20pence.

I think welfare will become a fact of life in the future for many, not as a temporary option but something that is permanent.

You mean they would have to become adults???? The Horror!!!!!

[Republicanguy]

That is being ignorant. There are people who work hard out there, who are on welfare. Okay may be some of those people haven't made the best choices, but looking at reality like everyone should just do this and that, isn't fair.

Like I gave the example, I couldn't live away from family unemployed in a flat, the capital is too expensive, there is currently a home building plan going on, but its not enough, its going to be years until this change.

As for employment, well that depends on location, skills, and so on. So unemployment benefit will always be there, a society running on charity won't work. It won't.

The only solution to get rid of the social homes, places where I live for example would be to buy property. In my part of the estate I live on, at least eight homes are private, out of fifty. I don't agree with removing this system, this assures homes for the poorest in society. Otherwise I don't see how else there would be any real safety. Only very cheap homes would be solution, and I mean really really cheap homes.

If the capital isn't the problem, then outer areas will be affected by the movement of poorer people, so prices go up. London has been expensive for a long time, and would be nine million people within the county borders.

[Swordsmyth]

That is being ignorant. There are people who work hard out there, who are on welfare. Okay may be some of those people haven't made the best choices, but looking at reality like everyone should just do this and that, isn't fair.

Like I gave the example, I couldn't live away from family unemployed in a flat, the capital is too expensive, there is currently a home building plan going on, but its not enough, its going to be years until this change.

As for employment, well that depends on location, skills, and so on. So unemployment benefit will always be there, a society running on charity won't work. It won't.

The only solution to get rid of the social homes, places where I live for example would be to buy property. In my part of the estate I live on, at least eight homes are private, out of fifty. I don't agree with removing this system, this assures homes for the poorest in society. Otherwise I don't see how else there would be any real safety. Only very cheap homes would be solution, and I mean really really cheap homes.

If the capital isn't the problem, then outer areas will be affected by the movement of poorer people, so prices go up. London has been expensive for a long time, and would be nine million people within the county borders.

Government is responsible for the problems you describe.

It might be preferable to taper off of welfare rather than end it all on a single day but the less of it there is the better off everyone will be in the long run.

[Republicanguy]

I wouldn't imagine it being removed that quickly, what I'm getting at is, that society as complex as it is, and with technology doesn't make freedom like liberty work. Unless robots could replace people, then may be, but that wouldn't work for people, since majority of people are employed and that is generally their life living arrangement.

[Swordsmyth]

I wouldn't imagine it being removed that quickly, what I'm getting at is, that society as complex as it is, and with technology doesn't make freedom like liberty work. Unless robots could replace people, then may be, but that wouldn't work for people, since majority of people are employed and that is generally their life living arrangement.

It would work just fine.

What you mean is that you don't want to work.