PayPal Bans YouTube Competitor Bitchute Without Explanation

[specsaregood]

So, because private enterprise is currently hamstrung by some anti-discrimination laws, there ought to be more anti-discrimination laws?

Not more, a single one that affects everybody instead of putting people into groups. I may disagree with a law; but I find it more important that all are treated equally under the law.

[r3volution 3.0]

Not more, a single one that affects everybody instead of putting people into groups. I may disagree with a law; but I find it more important that all are treated equally under the law.

So, a law requiring PayPal (or, I suppose Facebook or similar abominations) to serve everyone...?

[Swordsmyth]

The biggest problem in all of this is government subsidizing connected corporations/oligarchs and inhibiting competition, if they are allowed to continue that and add Neo-Feudalism through political activist crony corporations the only possible outcomes will be absolute tyranny or armed revolt.

[r3volution 3.0]

The biggest problem in all of this is government subsidizing connected corporations/oligarchs and inhibiting competition, if they are allowed to continue that and add Neo-Feudalism through political activist crony corporations the only possible outcomes will be absolute tyranny or armed revolt.

That's a lot of jargon; I'm not sure what, if anything, you actually said.

[Swordsmyth]

Not more, a single one that affects everybody instead of putting people into groups. I may disagree with a law; but I find it more important that all are treated equally under the law.

So, a law requiring PayPal (or, I suppose Facebook or similar abominations) to serve everyone...?

Anyone.

It wouldn't be the optimal solution but if the left had to deal with the consequences that they have been forcing on everyone else they might agree to get rid of the whole thing.

[Swordsmyth]

That's a lot of jargon; I'm not sure what, if anything, you actually said.

Convenient reading comprehension problems?

[r3volution 3.0]

Anyone.

It wouldn't be the optimal solution but if the left had to deal with the consequences that they have been forcing on everyone else they might agree to get rid of the whole thing.

So, to be clear, you want to extend the 1964 Civil Rights Act (an immense injustice) to the internet...

...so that the state can force online private enterprises to serve everyone?

Convenient reading comprehension problems?

Inconvenient writing problems, it would seem...

[specsaregood]

Convenient reading comprehension problems?

Some would rather die of starvation because they were served only oatmeal and wanted a steak.

[Swordsmyth]

So, to be clear, you want to extend the 1964 Civil Rights Act (an immense injustice) to the internet...

...so that the state can force online private enterprises to serve everyone?

I'm not necessarily endorsing that, I was explaining specs' position.

But we must do something, the current situation is a guaranteed path to tyranny and communism, the left gets to break all the rules that they force on everyone else while the government subsidizes them and inhibits their competition.

If the right finally grows enough of a spine to demand equal protection under the law it might be possible to get that done and then we would have a fighting chance to rectify all of the causes of current conditions, meanwhile I don't see much chance of repealing the Civil Rights Act or ending the government's subsidization of collaborating corporations and stifling their competition.

[Swordsmyth]

Some would rather die of starvation because they were served only oatmeal and wanted a steak.

And some want the left to impose Neo-Feudalism on us either because they are closet leftists or because they vainly think that they and their ilk can seize the reins of power afterwards.

[r3volution 3.0]

Some would rather die of starvation because they were served only oatmeal and wanted a steak.

LOL, you people simply want the state to prohibit PayPal et al from discriminating against your political friends.

There is no difference, in this respect, between you all and the Trigglypuff crowd: "hate speech!?!?" derp derp derp.

[r3volution 3.0]

I'm not necessarily endorsing that, I was explaining specs' position.

But we must do something, the current situation is a guaranteed path to tyranny and communism, the left gets to break all the rules that they force on everyone else while the government subsidizes them and inhibits their competition.

If the right finally grows enough of a spine to demand equal protection under the law it might be possible to get that done and then we would have a fighting chance to rectify all of the causes of current conditions, meanwhile I don't see much chance of repealing the Civil Rights Act or ending the government's subsidization of collaborating corporations and stifling their competition.

And what would you like the state to do to restrict private property rights?

[Swordsmyth]

And what would you like the state to do to restrict private property rights?

I would like to repeal the Civil Rights Act and end government subsidization and regulation that enables the problem, do you think we can do that right now with the left getting all of the benefits and none of the drawbacks of the current state of things?

[specsaregood]

I would like to repeal the Civil Rights Act and end government subsidization and regulation that enables the problem, do you think we can do that right now with the left getting all of the benefits and none of the drawbacks of the current state of things?

He likes the status quo, it lets him bitch and moan and achieve nothing.

[r3volution 3.0]

I would like to repeal the Civil Rights Act and end government subsidization and regulation that enables the problem, do you think we can do that right now with the left getting all of the benefits and none of the drawbacks of the current state of things?

The CRA and related laws have nothing to do with the "problem" of PayPal et al discriminating against neo-NAZI groups.

That is simply a function of the (ever-diminishing) rights of property: e.g. basic principles of contract.

Eliminating the CRA et al, though it ought to be done for other reasons, won't solve your "problem."

So what do you propose? What additional violations of property rights do you endorse?

There must be something; otherwise, you'd be in agreement with me.

[Swordsmyth]

The CRA and related laws have nothing to do with the "problem" of PayPal et al discriminating against neo-NAZI groups.

That is simply a function of the (ever-diminishing) rights of property: e.g. basic principles of contract.

Eliminating the CRA et al, though it ought to be done for other reasons, won't solve your "problem."

So what do you propose? What additional violations of property rights do you endorse?

The CRA allows the left to force the right to serve its base by creaming "racism" etc. while the left is allowed to deny service to the right because it is presumed that the right's base can't be discriminated against.

I've said what I propose before, lawsuits for breach of contract and false advertising, I would also like to see competition arise to solve the problem but the system is rigged against that, I would like to see the CRA repealed and an end to government subsidies and regulation that gives the left unfair advantages.

But if that doesn't work then making the left play by the same rules as everyone else may be the only option, at least then they might agree to remove the mandates from everyone and they wouldn't get to control who gets to speak and be heard or who gets to buy and sell in the meantime.

[r3volution 3.0]

I propose...lawsuits for breach of contract and false advertising

...which would justly fail, since there's been no such thing.

I would also like to see competition arise to solve the problem but the system is rigged against that, I would like to see the CRA repealed and an end to government subsidies and regulation that gives the left unfair advantages.

But if that doesn't work then making the left play by the same rules as everyone else may be the only option, at least then they might agree to remove the mandates from everyone and they wouldn't get to control who gets to speak and be heard or who gets to buy and sell in the meantime.

...a new and exciting anti-discrimination law, meant to violate the property rights of internet businesses which offend Trump people/alt-right/etc.





O well

[Swordsmyth]

...which would justly fail, since there's been no such thing.



...a new and exciting anti-discrimination law, meant to violate the property rights of internet businesses which offend Trump people/alt-right/etc.





O well

The alternative to the options I laid out is to see the left enthroned as a new aristocracy, not the kind of unicorn riding, libertarianism loving aristocracy that you dream about but a micromanaging, rabble bribing, socialism loving aristocracy that isn't ruled by a single king who according to you would have incentives to move towards the free market but is instead divided into permanently squabbling tribes that struggle to control an ever more powerful government to profit by stealing from us and eachother.
In short it is the negative image of your utopia and ought to frighten you to death, making everyone play by the same rules until we can repeal the rules entirely should be seen as near heaven by comparison.

[enhanced_deficit]

Two and two don't add up here.
Such Free Speech restrictions/bans of conservatives were supposed to decrease compared to Obama era but in fact such restrictions/bans are sharply increasing under MAGA regime. What explains that?

That said, I'm still not convinced that Breitbart extremist conservatives like Kassam and Coulter had convincing proof when they made following shocking claims:

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...94/982/125.jpg

[Swordsmyth]

Two and two don't add up here.
Such Free Speech restrictions/bans of conservatives were supposed to decrease compared to Obama era but in fact such restrictions/bans are sharply increasing under MAGA regime. What explains that?

That said, I'm still not convinced that Breitbart extremist conservatives like Kassam and Coulter had convincing proof when they made following shocking claims:

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...94/982/125.jpg

The Trump administration isn't doing this, "private" corporations are.

[enhanced_deficit]

The Trump administration isn't doing this, "private" corporations are.

Do you really believe that?
Why do you think Trump's twitter account is still active (even after he bombed Syria) but Alex Jones has been banned everywhere following his anti-Syria-bombing/anti-Trump rant?

PayPal billionaire Peter Thiel 'becoming key Donald Trump adviser'
PayPal founder's employees reportedly refer to him as 'the shadow president'
Sunday 26 February 2017

[Swordsmyth]

The alternative to the options I laid out is to see the left enthroned as a new aristocracy, not the kind of unicorn riding, libertarianism loving aristocracy that you dream about but a micromanaging, rabble bribing, socialism loving aristocracy that isn't ruled by a single king who according to you would have incentives to move towards the free market but is instead divided into permanently squabbling tribes that struggle to control an ever more powerful government to profit by stealing from us and eachother.
In short it is the negative image of your utopia and ought to frighten you to death, making everyone play by the same rules until we can repeal the rules entirely should be seen as near heaven by comparison.

There are actually 2 other alternatives.

1 an armed revolution that includes an element of redistribution of property to rectify the stolen wealth that has enabled such domination of the government and marketplace.

Very dangerous and to be avoided while there are ANY other options


2 the public option, create a money storage/transfer system run by the Post Office or the Treasury Department that is required to serve everyone.

This would leave the "private" corporations to do as they pleased while preventing the left from creating a Neo-Feudal mark of the beast system where anyone they don't like is unpersoned BUT it is expanding the role of government.


Just whistling in the wind while those who rule us enact tyranny through "private" government subsidized corporations that are protected from competition by government WILL NOT WORK NOR IS IT LIBERTARIAN, and calling for libertarian solutions while we are a tiny minority IS WHISTLING IN THE WIND.

[Swordsmyth]

Do you really believe that?
Why do you think Trump's twitter account is still active (even after he bombed Syria) but Alex Jones has been banned everywhere following his anti-Syria-bombing/anti-Trump rant?

PayPal billionaire Peter Thiel 'becoming key Donald Trump adviser'
PayPal founder's employees reportedly refer to him as 'the shadow president'
Sunday 26 February 2017

Do they agree on everything?
Do they plan everything together?
Is Ron Paul guilty by association with Thiel as well?

[William Tell]

Do you own a home?

Suppose that I show up one day and insist to be let inside in the name of some nonsensical political horse$#@!.

A reasonable response on your part would be to shoot me.

Agree?

Wow, that's even more severe than building a wall!

[Dangergirl]

That actually is exactly how a FREE market works. In your example, you don't have a right to the frosting company's product. They don't have to sell it to you or price it as you decide unless they have entered into a binding contract with you. They can have any reason they wish, or none at all. Just because you don't like it does not entitle you to frosting, or PayPal. It's not a human right. Unless there is a contract specifically requiring PayPal to give proper cause for termination, that is what they can do. Do business with someone else, make your own or encourage like minded people to create a business which matches your needs.

Yes there is a contract because you're in business with them yet you believe it's ok for them to break a contract because they like Chevy's and you drive a Ford. This to you is a "free market" decision. It is not. With what's happening now, you would kiss the guys ass and sell your Ford because he used the government, media, and regulations to monopolize the frosting market while labeling you a racist Ford driving Nazi that no one wants to be associated with.

Rev3, you have the needle and thread in hand but you miss the eye of the argument. You seem to think anything goes as long as the government doesn't do it. Only the government must follow Constitutional Law but private entities can do whatever they want to trample individual rights. Tyranny is ok as long as the ruling class is a privatized regime. The political monopolies have already been established, even subsidized by government. The market is rigged and eroding. What do we do now? We can talk to "them" and try to reason and sell the American ideas of freedom and maybe they will see where they went wrong and give up their evil ways. But things have gotten worse because they've become threatened. It's the ruling class, the globalists, the deep state whatever term you prefer to give "them", they're not letting go. When do you say enough is enough and take a stand?

[Suzanimal]

As much as it pains me to admit it, Rev3 is right.

The substantive issue is quite simple.

PayPal is a private enterprise which is (or ought to be) free to dispose of its property as it pleases: do business (or not) with whom it pleases.

And that is the end of the story, or ought to be.

But the class of persons who inhabit this forum these days don't know/care about such things.

He's also right here. I probably would shoot him.

Do you own a home?

Suppose that I show up one day and insist to be let inside in the name of some nonsensical political horse$#@!.

A reasonable response on your part would be to shoot me.

Agree?

[specsaregood]

As much as it pains me to admit it, Rev3 is right.

So you agree with him then that having a law that only protects special classes of people from such discrimination is better than having a law that protects everybody from the same discrimination?

Because we do NOT currently live in an environment where private enterprise is free to do as it pleases.

[Swordsmyth]

What is government? The people who rule you.
If the oligarchs have stolen enough wealth and surreptitious control of government to own everything and suppress competition through "private" government subsidized corporations and then begin to rule us using those corporations do they not become the government and subject to the restrictions on government?

[r3volution 3.0]

The alternative to the options I laid out is...a micromanaging, rabble bribing, socialism loving aristocracy...divided into permanently squabbling tribes that struggle to control an ever more powerful government to profit by stealing from us and each other.

So, in other words, the current situation..

[Swordsmyth]

So, in other words, the current situation..

Much worse.