Bad to Worse: SoCal Fire Sends Thousands Fleeing; 101 Closed; Zero Containment

[goldenequity]

Bad to Worse: SoCal Fire Sends Thousands Fleeing; 101 Closed; Zero Containment
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...ventura-county


residents have been ordered to evacuate after the Woolsey Fire jumped over the 101 freeway, which is now closed in both directions for approximately four miles. The Pacific Coast Highway is also closed northbound at Topanga Canyon and southbound at Leo Carrillo State Beach.

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Trump Threatens To Cut Wildfire Funding Unless Cali Ends "Gross Mismanagement Of Forests"
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...gement-forests
"There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor...Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!"

[goldenequity]

[goldenequity]

[Origanalist]

But will he do it? I hope so.

[Ender]

But will he do it? I hope so.

Wait.

If you try to do anything in those forests the BLM will take you down, but if fires take over, then it's the locals fault?

Sounds like a Bundy experience.

[specsaregood]

But will he do it? I hope so.

ill just drop this here.

[Zippyjuan]

Trump:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-t...ree-residence/

Trump Tower fire is second 2018 blaze in sprinkler-free residential tower

The fire on the 50th floor New York City's Trump Tower that left 67-year-old Todd Brassner dead and six firefighters injured was the second fire in the building in 2018. President Trump's centerpiece Manhattan skyscraper opened in 1984, but does not have sprinklers on its residential floors, a measure required in new buildings since 1999. President Trump, then a private citizen and property developer, lobbied to try and prevent the mandate at the time.

New York City in 1999 became last big city in the nation to require sprinklers, according to the New York Daily News. Under the 1999 legislation, buildings constructed before then were only required to have sprinklers if they underwent gut renovations.

According to The New York Times, Mr. Trump was one of the developers in the late 1990s who lobbied against sprinklers in buildings. He then recanted once the legislation passed with grandfathering provisions that meant existing buildings did not need to install them, saying that he understood they made residents "feel safer." FDNY Commissioner Daniel Nigro said on Saturday that there is extra fire protection at Trump Tower when Mr. Trump is there.

More at link.

[Anti Globalist]

All the videos of these California fires makes it seem like its the end of the world.

[donnay]

All the videos of these California fires makes it seem like its the end of the world.

For some people it is--especially the elderly and firefighters.

[angelatc]

I am pretty much out of $#@!s to give.

[angelatc]

Trump:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-t...ree-residence/



More at link.

Go the $#@! away with yourbull$#@! pro-government propaganda. This has nothing to do with this thread.

[dannno]

All the videos of these California fires makes it seem like its the end of the world.

God is just punishing the libs for flipping the house.

It's also really close to the Borderline Bar

[dannno]

Caitlyn Jenner's house burned down, so did The Bachelor Mansion

https://www.eonline.com/shows/e_news...bachelor-homes

Joe Rogan and the Kardashians/Kanye all had to evacuate.

Other homes "caught up in the fire" (either evacuated or burned down)

Other celebrity homes caught up in the brutal fire include Caitlyn Jenner, Khloe Kardashian, Kanye West, Lady Gaga, Kylie Jenner and Orland Bloom.

[enhanced_deficit]

Are there any reports on investigations of causes?

Hopefully that's not the case here but there were recent reports of deliberate fires in Israel's forests that caused massive damage.
Has this been investigated that no nefarios hand in this case?

Inferno Terror: Forest Fires as the New Form of Terrorism: Terrorism ...
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/...3.2017.1341876
‎2017
Between the 18th and 26th of November 2016, 220 different locations went up in flames in the Israeli forest. Israeli firefighters were powerless to contain the fires ...

'This is terrorism': Israeli farmers still reeling from Gaza's burning kites ...
haaretz
Jun 13, 2018 - In first, Israeli military fires at Gazans preparing to send flammable balloons ... kilometres of land - pastures, forests, fields - had been destroyed.

Fire damage to Israeli agriculture near Gaza border estimated at $1.4 ...
haaretz
Jun 4, 2018 - Firefighters on Sunday brought a large fire near the Israeli border community of ... are to be considered terrorism victims entitled to compensation. ... to 5,000 to 4,000 dunams in the Besor Forest Nature Reserve and thousands ...

Hollywood stars raise record $60m for Israel army
November 6, 2018
Hollywood celebrities raised a record breaking $60 million for the Israeli military at the Friends of the Israel Defence Forces (FIDF) annual gala last week.
This year’s sold-out Western Region event at the Beverly Hilton Hotel welcomed more than 1,200 supporters of Israel, including prominent actors and singers like Ashton Kutcher, Pharrell Williams, Gerard Butler, and Katharine McPhee.“We are thrilled that so many members of our community, including major Hollywood figures, are coming together to help us support the brave men and women of the [Israeli army].” said FIDF National Board Member and Chairman of the event, Haim Saban. “Standing behind these heroes is one of my greatest honours in my life.”
The event featured a programme that told the 70-year history of Israel through the accounts of soldiers and the military’s various campaigns against the Palestinians.

[dannno]

Still not over..


Woolsey Fire Threatens Homes as Santa Ana Winds Pick Up Again; Containment at 10%

http://https://ktla.com/2018/11/11/w...tura-counties/

[dannno]

Miley Cyrus, Neil Young and Gerard Butler are the latest celebrities to report losing their homes to deadly wildfires that have ravaged California.

As The Post’s Sonia Rao reported, the historic Paramount Ranch production set in Agoura Hills burned on Friday, while wildfire threatened the nearby homes of a slew of celebrities, including Guillermo del Toro, Alyssa Milano, Lady Gaga, Will Smith, Kim Kardashian-West and Kanye West, James Woods, Orlando Bloom, Melissa Etheridge, Rainn Wilson, Cher and Pink.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-...=.5916396f7400


Woolsey Fire: 91,500 Acres Burned, At Least 370 Structures Destroyed; Containment At 20%

http://www.laist.com/2018/11/12/wool...fire_day_5.php

[dannno]

[enhanced_deficit]

Pretty cruel twitter attacks on a hollywood victim of fire:


November 12, 2018

Actor Gerald Butler Slammed for IDF Support After Sharing Photo of Destroyed California Home

by Shiryn Ghermezian

Gerald Butler showing the remnants of his Malibu home that was destroyed by a wildfire. Photo: Instagram.

Actor Gerald Butler was criticized by pro-Palestinian supporters on social media for backing the Israel military after sharing a photo of his California home that was destroyed by one of the wildfires currently ravaging the state.

Earlier this month, the “300” star attended the annual Friends of the IDF (FIDF) Western Region Gala in Los Angeles, where a record $60 million was raised and then donated to Israeli soldiers. The event was hosted by Israeli-American philanthropist Haim Saban and his wife, Cheryl.
The Scottish actor posted on Sunday on Twitter and Instagram a photo of him standing in front of his smoldering remnants of his Malibu home. He said he was “inspired as ever by the courage, spirit and sacrifice of firefighters,” and asked his fans to support the Los Angeles Fire Department.
Israel haters commented on his Instagram photo, calling Butler a “f–king Zionist,” a “criminal and a piece of human trash for supporting the IDF,” and claiming that his house burned down “because you support murderers.” One Instagram user wrote,”that [is] what you deserve when you support the Zionists” and another asked Butler, “You ever thought it was Gods karma for raising $60 million dollars for IDF soldiers to kill Palestinians? Just a thought.” Another user wrote “Israhell occupied palestinian land but very soon they will be defeated.”

Twitter users were just as cruel and commented on Butler’s photo, saying, “That $60 million you helped raise for the scumbag IDF soldiers in Beverly Hills to further oppress the Palestinian people would really come in handy right now wouldn’t it????!!! Your a scumbag Zionist mouthpiece. I don’t feel a bit sorry for you!!!” Butler was also accused of backing “the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians” and one post said Palestinians were “constantly losing their homes” to the IDF, “the same terrorists you support and help raise funds for. You should be ashamed.”

https://www.algemeiner.com/2018/11/1...lifornia-home/

[enhanced_deficit]

New flare ups, from Drudge:

CA INFERNO DEADLIEST IN AMERICAN HISTORY...
New blazes fan fresh fears...
200+ still missing...
Fire and police fought fire as blaze hit home: More than 90 first responders lost houses...
Evacuees trickle back to deal with the ashes...
REPORT: Kim and Kanye Hire Private Team, Save Neighbors...
Maxine Waters tells Trump to 'keep his mouth shut'...
Jerry Brown Blames Climate Deniers...
Smoke Plumes May Extend To East Coast...
'Everybody is at risk' from bad air...

[dannno]

New flare ups, from Drudge:

Kim & Kanye Hire Private Firefighters ... Save Neighbors' Homes Too

http://www.tmz.com/2018/11/12/kim-kardashian-kanye-west-save-neighborhood-fire-hire-private-team/

[Schifference]

California legislators need to get together and ban wildfires. They cause CO2 emissions and are bad for the air.

[Ender]

Trump Threatens To Cut Wildfire Funding Unless Cali Ends "Gross Mismanagement Of Forests"
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...gement-forests
"There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor...Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!"

Someone needs to edumacate Trump to the fact that the So Cal fires are NOT forest fires.

[dannno]

Someone needs to edumacate Trump to the fact that the So Cal fires are NOT forest fires.

Wow, you get your talking points from the same place as Republicanguy..

But ya, you're right, there are no forests in Malibu...


Lower Malibu Creek Loop



Lake Vista Trail



Upper Solstice Canyon



Tapia Park




It is correct to say that most of what is burning in Malibu is shrub as opposed to forest, but this whole idea that California doesn't have any problem with forest management, and that the more deadly fire (The Camp Fire) up north was not started in a forest.. is retarded.

[Ender]

It is correct to say that most of what is burning in Malibu is shrub as opposed to forest, but this whole idea that California doesn't have any problem with forest management, and that the more deadly fire (The Camp Fire) up north was not started in a forest.. is retarded.

I was talking about S Cal- not the north.

[Swordsmyth]

Wow, you get your talking points from the same place as Republicanguy..

But ya, you're right, there are no forests in Malibu...


Lower Malibu Creek Loop



Lake Vista Trail



Upper Solstice Canyon



Tapia Park




It is correct to say that most of what is burning in Malibu is shrub as opposed to forest, but this whole idea that California doesn't have any problem with forest management, and that the more deadly fire (The Camp Fire) up north was not started in a forest.. is retarded.

The leftist trolls have gone unchecked for so long that the masks are beginning to slip from those that were deeper under cover, they have learned that they can get away with anything so they no longer expend much effort on camouflage.

[dannno]

I was talking about S Cal- not the north.

Ok, so can you tell me which fire Trump was mostly referring to with his statement about forest management?

So I put words in your mouth? Sort of like what you did to Trump?

That's why I put the pictures of the forests in Malibu first... they have trees there, so trying to make Trump look like a dumbass doesn't work too well.

Then as an aside, I noted that the origination of your talking point was an article by a "scientist" from New Mexico who claimed that the Northern California fires weren't burning forests. That was posted by Republicanguy minutes before you. But the fire up there started in a forest, that entire area is forest a lots of trees, so that article was kinda dumb.

The more deadly fire was in the area with the poor forest management.

[Ender]

From the President of the California Firefighters Union:

Speaking for the emergency services personnel on the ground, the president of the California Professional Firefighters union commented: “Wildfires are sparked and spread not only in forested areas but in populated areas and open fields fuelled by parched vegetation, high winds, low humidity and geography.

“Moreover, nearly 60 per cent of California forests are under federal management, and another two-thirds under private control. It is the federal government that has chosen to divert resources away from forest management, not California,” Brian K Rice said.

Mr Rice further branded Mr Trump’s assertion “ill-timed, ill-informed and demeaning to those who are suffering” as well as “dangerously wrong” in conversation with CNN.

[dannno]

From the President of the California Firefighters Union:

This is just insane. You don't even read Trump's tweets, all you do is repeat retarded leftist talking points.

Trump took money away from federal forest services because they mis-manage the money. They spend billions of dollars and the forests are horribly managed.

To a leftist, more money is the solution. Trump knows that isn't the solution, and the whole point of his tweet is that the forests are mis-managed, not because they don't get enough money, but because they suck.

Then the leftists say, "Ya, but you took away their money, it's your fault!!"

They don't understand that every Republican who hears that is laughing at them.. because Republicans know that just throwing money at problems rarely leads to good solutions.

[Swordsmyth]

This is just insane. You don't even read Trump's tweets, all you do is repeat retarded leftist talking points.

Trump took money away from federal forest services because they mis-manage the money. They spend billions of dollars and the forests are horribly managed.

To a leftist, more money is the solution. Trump knows that isn't the solution, and the whole point of his tweet is that the forests are mis-managed, not because they don't get enough money, but because they suck.

Then the leftists say, "Ya, but you took away their money, it's your fault!!"

They don't understand that every Republican who hears that is laughing at them.. because Republicans know that just throwing money at problems rarely leads to good solutions.

TDS is incurable.

[Ender]

This is just insane. You don't even read Trump's tweets, all you do is repeat retarded leftist talking points.

Trump took money away from federal forest services because they mis-manage the money. They spend billions of dollars and the forests are horribly managed.

To a leftist, more money is the solution. Trump knows that isn't the solution, and the whole point of his tweet is that the forests are mis-managed, not because they don't get enough money, but because they suck.

Then the leftists say, "Ya, but you took away their money, it's your fault!!"

They don't understand that every Republican who hears that is laughing at them.. because Republicans know that just throwing money at problems rarely leads to good solutions.

YOU are insane.

The fed has NO BUSINESS running states' lands. The real answer is to get .gov outta the properties & let the states actually taking care of their own lands.

The Bundys were in actual prison for taking care of the land around them. Now the answer is to blame the states when the Fed controls all the open land?