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Thread: PayPal shuts down accounts for Proud Boys and founder McInnes as well as antifa groups

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    PayPal shuts down accounts for Proud Boys and founder McInnes as well as antifa groups

    PayPal has shut down several accounts, including those for far-right group the Proud Boys and their founder, Gavin McInnes, for the promotion of “hate, violence, or other forms of intolerance.” Several anti-fascist groups were also banned as part of the same wave of policy enforcement.
    PayPal confirmed the bans to TechCrunch, which were first reported by BuzzFeed News.

    More at: https://techcrunch.com/2018/11/09/pa...antifa-groups/
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    Womp womp
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Womp womp
    You think tyranny is a joke? SMH
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    I doubt soros uses PayPal. Antifa will be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    You think tyranny is a joke? SMH
    Since PayPal is a private company and not a government, it is by definition, impossible for them to be tyrannical.

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    Another brick in the FACE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    I doubt soros uses PayPal. Antifa will be fine.
    Tyranny always has a back door for control.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/geor...paypal-2015-11

    http://politicalavengernews.com/inde...w-owns-paypal/
    Last edited by donnay; 11-10-2018 at 02:26 PM. Reason: have=has
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    Since PayPal is a private company and not a government, it is by definition, impossible for them to be tyrannical.
    That would be an irrefutable argument on a libertarian forum (but this, I regret to inform you, isn't that [anymore]).



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    Paypal has been dickish for a decade. This isn't anything new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    That would be an irrefutable argument on a libertarian forum (but this, I regret to inform you, isn't that [anymore]).
    It still is a libertarian stance, of course that is if it were a truly free market. Sadly it isn't and the tech giants do whatever they damn well please. Tech Tyranny is REAL.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    It still is a libertarian stance, of course that is if it were a truly free market. Sadly it isn't and the tech giants do whatever they damn well please. Tech Tyranny is REAL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Quote George W. Bush means?
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Please point out where she calls for government intervention.

    You and the other trolls always try to silence criticism with this kind of nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Quote George W. Bush means?
    ...that you're espousing a similar view.

    "Well, yea, the free market's great in theory, PayPal should be allowed to deny service to people in theory, but [insert call for state intervention]."

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    That would be an irrefutable argument on a libertarian forum (but this, I regret to inform you, isn't that [anymore]).
    Libertarian forum? How did this come about? Where is that in the mission statement or site info? Ron Paul republican, Rand Paul republican, Mike Lee republican etc.

    Regardless, companies silencing opposition to socialism and communism should worry us all.
    Last edited by spudea; 11-10-2018 at 06:42 PM.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    ...that you're espousing a similar view.

    "Well, yea, the free market's great in theory, PayPal should be allowed to deny service to people in theory, but [insert call for state intervention]."
    Please cite said call for state intervention.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    It still is a libertarian stance, of course that is if it were a truly free market. Sadly it isn't and the tech giants do whatever they damn well please. Tech Tyranny is REAL.

    And what would you propose as a solution?
    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Please cite said call for state intervention.
    Since she calls this tyranny, and rejects the libertarian argument in favor of discrimination, what else could she want?

    In previous threads, you people have called for the state to penalize Facebook for deleting "conservative" content.

    I see no reason to assume you would draw the line here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Since she calls this tyranny, and rejects the libertarian argument in favor of discrimination, what else could she want?

    In previous threads, you people have called for the state to penalize Facebook for deleting "conservative" content.

    I see no reason to assume you would draw the line here.
    So you admit you are just making things up to protect the tyrannical left from criticism?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    So you admit you are just making things up to protect the tyrannical left from criticism?
    LOL, let's see what she says.

    If she says that she supports PayPal's right to discriminate, then I'll admit I jumped the gun (not at all unreasonably).

    If she wants the government to "do something" to prevent this "tyranny," then I'll have been correct.

    In the meantime, tell me, do you support PayPal's right to discriminate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    ...that you're espousing a similar view.

    "Well, yea, the free market's great in theory, PayPal should be allowed to deny service to people in theory, but [insert call for state intervention]."
    LOL! That is your interpretation of what I said--We do not have a free market. Paypal is run by shareholders that control--as per the article above with regards to Soros intentions. You sign a contract with them, if you did not break the TOS then they cannot arbitrarily cancel your account just because they feel like it. They have done this to many people already. In essence, they are trying to cut off the way anyone can do commerce.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    LOL, let's see what she says.

    If she says that she supports PayPal's right to discriminate, then I'll admit I jumped the gun (not at all unreasonably).

    If she wants the government to "do something" to prevent this "tyranny," then I'll have been correct.

    In the meantime, tell me, do you support PayPal's right to discriminate?
    It depends on their contract and whether or not they are a government sock-puppet, I don't know enough about Paypal to say for sure.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    And what would you propose as a solution?
    A truly free market with no government controls, with exception of Judicial branch.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    LOL! That is your interpretation of what I said--We do not have a free market. Paypal is run by shareholders that control--as per the article above with regards to Soros intentions. You sign a contract with them, if you did not break the TOS then they cannot arbitrarily cancel your account just because they feel like it. They have done this to many people already. In essence, they are trying to cut off the way anyone can do commerce.
    So you're claiming that PayPal violated its contract with "Proud Boys"?

    If so, show me the provision of the PayPal TOS which you think they violated.



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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    So you're claiming that PayPal violated its contract with "Proud Boys"?

    If so, show me the provision of the PayPal TOS which you think they violated.
    Let's just say there is big doings going to happen soon with lawsuits for breach of contracts.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Let's just say there is big doings going to happen soon with lawsuits for breach of contracts.
    Or we could say that you're hoping they violated their TOS but you have no evidence at all that they did.

    You might consider this language from the contract, under Actions We Make Take:

    If we believe that you’ve engaged in any of these activities, we may take a number of actions to protect PayPal, its customers and others at any time in our sole discretion. The actions we make take include, but are not limited to, the following:

    • Terminate this user agreement and/or close or suspend your PayPal account, and we may refuse to provide the PayPal services to you in the future.
    Within "these activities" referenced is any breach of the Acceptable Use Policy, which prohibits, among other things:

    transactions involving...(f) the promotion of hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory
    But but but, in your opinion, Proud Boys didn't promote intolerance, etc.

    But your opinion doesn't matter:

    If we believe that you’ve engaged in any of these activities, we may take a number of actions to protect PayPal, its customers and others at any time in our sole discretion.
    PayPal, like Facebook and pretty much every other online enterprise, reserves the right to stop doing business with whomever they please.


    ...


    All that aside, suppose that PayPal isn't in breach of their TOS; what then do you want to happen?

    Should the government do something to prevent this "tyranny"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Or we could say that you're hoping they violated their TOS but you have no evidence at all that they did.

    You might consider this language from the contract, under Actions We Make Take:



    Within "these activities" referenced is any breach of the Acceptable Use Policy, which prohibits, among other things:



    But but but, in your opinion, Proud Boys didn't promote intolerance, etc.

    But your opinion doesn't matter:



    PayPal, like Facebook and pretty much every other online enterprise, reserves the right to stop doing business with whomever they please.


    ...


    All that aside, suppose that PayPal isn't in breach of their TOS; what then do you want to happen?

    Should the government do something to prevent this "tyranny"?
    What intolerance did Proud Boy's and McInnis do?

    When people are trying to make a living and there is very limited ways to get paid for services, they have more people by the balls with this tyranny. Of course that is the agenda.

    These are just a few who have been hit with this tyranny but they will not stop unless we stop them. Wait until the Banks catch on...
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    What intolerance did Proud Boy's and McInnis do?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

    But PayPal's TOS give them sole discretion to determine whether a violation occurred, as I explained, so it really doesn't matter.

    When people are trying to make a living and there is very limited ways to get paid for services, they have more people by the balls with this tyranny. Of course that is the agenda.

    These are just a few who have been hit with this tyranny but they will not stop unless we stop them. Wait until the Banks catch on...
    Like how?

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

    But PayPal's TOS give them sole discretion to determine whether a violation occurred, as I explained, so it really doesn't matter.



    Like how?
    The Wikipedia page about the Proud Boys is all SPLC demonization and a pack of lies. Gavin McInnis did not start it.

    For now, as it stands, there are Anti-trust laws in place and they need to be used.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    The Wikipedia page about the Proud Boys is all SPLC demonization and a pack of lies. Gavin McInnis did not start it.
    I don't care to debate the obvious (i.e. that the Proud Boys are a white nationalist outfit), nor, once again, does it matter vis a vis PayPal.

    For now, as it stands, there are Anti-trust laws in place and they need to be used.
    Ding ding ding

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Please cite said call for state intervention.

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