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    Mass shooting at Borderline Bar and Grill in Thousand Oaks

    THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. (KABC) -- A mass shooting at a Thousand Oaks nightclub left 13 people dead, including a Ventura County sheriff's sergeant and the gunman, authorities said Thursday morning.

    Venutra County sheriff's Sgt. Eric Buschow, as well as Sheriff Geoff Dean, said the suspect was killed inside the venue. They did not want to count him among the 12 victims.

    The shooting happened around 11:20 p.m. Wednesday at Borderline Bar & Grill at 99 Rolling Oaks Dr. Ventura County sheriff's officials said there were reports of shots fired at the club.

    uthorities said hundreds of people were inside the bar when the gunfire rang out. In an interview, Buschow came close to tears and said he knows the wounded deputy.

    "It's been a rough night for all of us," he said.

    During a press briefing, Dean identified the sergeant as Ron Helus, a 29-year veteran of the department who considered retiring within the next year. At points he choked up, but said that Helus died a hero.

    "Ron was a hardworking, dedicated sheriff's sergeant. He was totally committed. He gave his all and tonight, as I told his wife, he died a hero because he went in to save lives, to save other people," he said.

    Dean also said in his 41 years in law enforcement, he'd never experienced a mass shooting.

    "I never thought I would see the things around the country that would happen, but I've learned it doesn't matter what community you're in, it doesn't matter how safe your community is, it can happen anywhere," he said.
    Witness John Hedge, of Moorpark, said he saw a suspect throwing smoke bombs into the front of the restaurant. He also said he saw a security guard get shot.

    "I was at the front door and I was talking to my stepdad. I just started hearing these big pops. Pop, pop, pop. There was probably three or four, I hit the ground. I look up - the security guard is dead. Well, I don't want to say he was dead, but he was shot.

    "He was down. The gunman was throwing smoke grenades all over the place. I saw him point to the back of the cash register...and he just kept firing. I ran out the front door," he said.

    Hodge added that there may have been about 12 shots by the time he got out of the door.

    He said the gunman had a beard, wore a hat, had a black jacket and may have had glasses.

    "I thought it was a joke when the shots started firing. I know people there. I hope everybody's OK. I don't know how I didn't get shot," the man said.


    Tim, Hodge's stepfather, who was in tears, said he was next to the entrance about to leave after playing pool when smoke came into the room.

    "He fired the first shot. I knew it was live. I knew it was real. My son thought it was a joke so I pulled him down and got some cover. I looked up and he was moving to the right. He shot the front doorman, who was just a young man. Then he shot the cashier, just a young girl.

    "Then he started moving to the right. He wasn't looking at us. Then he went into the office, where all the cash and stuff is. He didn't say anything at all. He just started shooting," he said.
    https://abc7.com/mass-shooting-repor...-oaks/4644573/



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    Dean also said in his 41 years in law enforcement, he'd never experienced a mass shooting.

    "I never thought I would see the things around the country that would happen, but I've learned it doesn't matter what community you're in, it doesn't matter how safe your community is, it can happen anywhere," he said.


    That's a weird fk'n thing to say at a time like that. . .

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    These people exist in Oklahoma. They never, however, last long enough to have a dozen victims.

    '...it can happen anywhere"? Sort of.
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    This sounds like it was a planned robbery that also happened to be very violent.
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    From Drudge:

    WAR VET SLAUGHTERS 12 AT SOCAL BAR
    'COLLEGE COUNTRY NIGHT'



    [59 Dead] "Active Shooter" at Las Vegas Country Music Concert
    10-02-2017



    Strange coincidence that last major shooting in LV and this one both involve "country music" venues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    This sounds like it was a planned robbery that also happened to be very violent.
    Yes , sounds like a planned robbery where the intent was to off the cashier , security guard and leave .
    Do something Danke

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    If I were a betting woman I would bet he was being treated for PTSD and on a cocktail of psychotropic drugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    If I were a betting woman I would be he was being treated for PTSD and on a cocktail of psychotropic drugs.
    So long as Big Pharma buys billions of dollars' worth of ads on the MSM, we'll never know.

    But I wouldn't take that bet in any case.
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Americans are all in the same boat, beseiged by the same sharks. And if we don't remember that, we're all equally $#@!ed.



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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Yes , sounds like a planned robbery where the intent was to off the cashier , security guard and leave .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    You think it was the country music ?
    Do something Danke

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    Ya that is a little bit of an odd place for a country/western bar so close to the coast.. but they get good turnout because they are so close to the very high population Los Angeles "valley", as well as a freeway that goes up north toward some more rural areas I suppose. I have been there before to see Adam Carolla perform his comedy show, but they are usually advertising country and line dancing stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    So long as Big Pharma buys billions of dollars' worth of ads on the MSM, we'll never know.
    Yeah, that's the sick little circle of death they have there.

    Killer goes on a rampage>Media exploits the tragedy for ratings>Big Pharma uses the increased ratings to push more drugs>people with problems see those ads and buy more drugs>they ignore the warnings about suicidal and homicidal thoughts>one of those people picks up a weapon and goes on a rampage>Wash, Rinse, Repeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Yeah, that's the sick little circle of death they have there.

    Killer goes on a rampage>Media exploits the tragedy for ratings>Big Pharma uses the increased ratings to push more drugs>people with problems see those ads and buy more drugs>they ignore the warnings about suicidal and homicidal thoughts>one of those people picks up a weapon and goes on a rampage>Wash, Rinse, Repeat.
    With calls for public disarmament during each cycle--as if a person psyched out on Big Pharma candy couldn't use a knife, or a car, or...
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Americans are all in the same boat, beseiged by the same sharks. And if we don't remember that, we're all equally $#@!ed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    With calls for public disarmament during each cycle--as if a person psyched out on Big Pharma candy couldn't use a knife, or a car, or...

    No worries this time, my friend. I've been assured by a good many people right here on RPF that Trump is serious about protecting our Right to Keep and Bear Arms, so we'll be fine. They've assured me of the this on numerous occasions.
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    Oh, great, now comes the calls for war vets to undergo psyche before purchasing guns.

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    Democrats renew push for gun control, assault weapons ban
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...lt-weapons-ban
    Just hours after the killings by a lone gunman in a California bar, Democrats began lining up to demand more gun control, an issue that fell off the map during the midterm congressional elections despite the shootings in a Pittsburgh synagogue.

    “We need to do something about this. And I’m glad that we have a Democratic majority in the House,” said Democratic Party Chairman Tom Perez.
    That did not take long.

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    Flashback under Obama:

    New documents obtained by The Daily Caller reveal that ATF, a division of the Department of Justice, is working with the FBI and the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) to enter veterans who get VA benefits into the government’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Democrats renew push for gun control, assault weapons ban
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...lt-weapons-ban


    That did not take long.
    Ya think?
    There is no spoon.

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    “We need to do something about this. And I’m glad that we have a Democratic majority in the House,” said Democratic Party Chairman Tom Perez
    Here's where the rubber meets the road.

    Does Trump crimp and fold and sign new gun controls?

    Or veto?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    If I were a betting woman I would bet he was being treated for PTSD and on a cocktail of psychotropic drugs.
    I would suspect so.

    And his handler thought a bar full of Cops would be a good target.
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    I thought guns didn't exist in California. How did this happen?
    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Here's where the rubber meets the road.

    Does Trump crimp and fold and sign new gun controls?

    Or veto?

    Inquiring minds want to know.
    Indeed.

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    "Local authorities said it had contact with Long over the years. He was the victim of a battery at a local Thousand Oaks bar"

    Which one? Borderline or another one?
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    If I were a betting woman I would bet he was being treated for PTSD and on a cocktail of psychotropic drugs.
    PTSD and mental problems confirmed. Another murder/suicide situation. They prescribe those meds like candy, so odds are...

    Investigators knocked on doors of surrounding residents to find out what they may know about Long. One neighbor who knew Long said he was a veteran who suffered from PTSD. She said, "I don't know what he was doing with a gun."

    Others said Long lived at the home with his mother. Richard Berge, a friend and neighbor Long's mother, said Long's mother was worried about her son.

    "He wouldn't get help," Berge said.

    Dean said Long was in the United States Marine Corps. The USMC released Long's service record, detailing that he served from 2008 to 2013, deploying to Afghanistan from Nov. 16, 2010 to June 14, 2011. His ranking was a corporal as a machine gunner, the the USMC said.

    Long had several interactions with the sheriff's department over the years, Dean said. These incidents include a traffic collision, a traffic citation as well as an instance in which Long was a victim of battery at a local bar in 2015.

    Dean also described an incident In April, when deputies were called to his Newbury Park home regarding a disturbance.

    "He was somewhat irate, acting a little irrationally. They called out our crisis intervention team, our mental health specialist," Dean said.
    ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    I thought guns didn't exist in California. How did this happen?
    "Police say he used a legally owned .45 calibre Glock semi-automatic handgun, which had an extended magazine that is illegal in the state of California."
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    "Police say he used a legally owned .45 calibre Glock semi-automatic handgun, which had an extended magazine that is illegal in the state of California."
    He broke the law? Who does he think he is?
    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    "Police say he used a legally owned .45 calibre Glock semi-automatic handgun, which had an extended magazine that is illegal in the state of California."
    If only he didn’t have that extended magazine, then he would have to use two magazines...

    Just wait till Governor Newsome takes office. Among other bans and restrictions, they will probably limit people to having only 5 bullets at a time. That will stop this from happening. (And it will help with the wait time at the range.)
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    Why is this national news? Why is the president expected to comment on local crimes? The media use these incidents as a weapon to ignite the culture wars and political wars over our minds.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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