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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by shakey1 View Post
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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    All videos clearly show her doing her job to take the mic to the next reporter and him pushing her arm down to stop her. Are you really going to deny this?
    The jump cut of that gif clearly qualifies as editorial license.

    Trying to spin his obnoxious behavior as a 'karate chop'--verbally or via edited video (and every gif is edited)--does nothing to strengthen the position or the credibility of a point of view. Indeed, it weakens it. People who are disturbed by Acosta's unacceptable behavior become incensed at the way they are being manipulated. Deniers are given traction when the events are exaggerated beyond the bounds of factual reporting (it gives them something to deny).

    Whose side are you on really that you want to shoot CNN's foes in the foot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    Put him in the back of the room and don't let him ask questions for a few weeks/months.
    Ban him from the press room, if not the White House. CNN has other reporters they could send. Let them send one who has at least the self-control of a normal kintergardener.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 11-08-2018 at 11:53 AM.
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  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    All videos clearly show her doing her job to take the mic to the next reporter and him pushing her arm down to stop her. Are you really going to deny this?
    Liberals live in a different reality than we do. No matter which world we live in, sometimes some cognitive dissonance is necessary to maintain an illusion, and that's what this is.

    His bosses should have yanked him off this beat a long time ago. At this point he isn't reporting any story. Intentional or not, he is the story. That's not journalism, it's theater
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  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Whore Media.
    YES. CNN is not news, they are editorial entertainment.
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    It's not?
    I would let her hold my mic .
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  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesiv1 View Post
    Put him in the back of the room and don't let him ask questions for a few weeks/months.
    I would have made him stand with his nose in the corner of the room for 5 minutes.

  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    All I'm saying is that everybody was a jerk & this incident is being blown way out of proportion.
    Roger.

  10. #68
    Some friends on fedbook are freaking out saying that this is an attack on the free press and even calling for impeachment. I have long ago given up on responding to such idiocy, because it's pointless, but man, people are losing their minds these days.

  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Some friends on fedbook are freaking out saying that this is an attack on the free press and even calling for impeachment. I have long ago given up on responding to such idiocy, because it's pointless, but man, people are losing their minds these days.
    Just show them the karate chop gif.
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  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    The jump cut of that gif clearly qualifies as editorial license.

    Trying to spin his obnoxious behavior as a 'karate chop'--verbally or via edited video (and every gif is edited)--does nothing to strengthen the position or the credibility of a point of view. Indeed, it weakens it. People who are disturbed by Acosta's unacceptable behavior become incensed at the way they are being manipulated. Deniers are given traction when the events are exaggerated beyond the bounds of factual reporting (it gives them something to deny).

    Whose side are you on really that you want to shoot CNN's foes in the foot?
    Here we are again where you are clearly taking the position of how the Progressives on the left are spinning a topic. It was a light karate cop. Regardless of what video you look at he clearly moves her arm down to push her away from doing her job. That is a big taboo no no in our culture with someone you do not know, particularly a man doing this to a woman in the workplace. There is no exaggeration here.
    Last edited by kahless; 11-08-2018 at 12:30 PM.

  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Here we are again where you are clearly taking the position of how the Progressives on the left are spinning a topic.
    Prog spin is a predictable and avoidable hazard. Those who want to win hearts and minds and influence people short-circuit most prog spin, and use what's left against them. Those who just want to have a brainless brawl and damn the consequences escalate, escalate and escalate some more
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  14. #72
    Calling this "assault" is over the top, but Acosta seems to have some sort of personality disorder where he can't help making himself the story. I don't know what his deal is, but he shouldn't act out his bizarre psychological deficiencies on the national stage.
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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    Calling this "assault" is over the top, but Acosta seems to have some sort of personality disorder where he can't help making himself the story. I don't know what his deal is, but he shouldn't act out his bizarre psychological deficiencies on the national stage.
    LOL- sounds like Trump's twin.
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  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    The jump cut of that gif clearly qualifies as editorial license.

    Trying to spin his obnoxious behavior as a 'karate chop'--verbally or via edited video (and every gif is edited)--does nothing to strengthen the position or the credibility of a point of view. Indeed, it weakens it. People who are disturbed by Acosta's unacceptable behavior become incensed at the way they are being manipulated. Deniers are given traction when the events are exaggerated beyond the bounds of factual reporting (it gives them something to deny).

    Whose side are you on really that you want to shoot CNN's foes in the foot?
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  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    Calling this "assault" is over the top, but Acosta seems to have some sort of personality disorder where he can't help making himself the story. I don't know what his deal is, but he shouldn't act out his bizarre psychological deficiencies on the national stage.
    Has Acosta apologize to the woman? That could restore a little dignity.

  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by dean.engelhardt View Post
    Has Acosta apologize to the woman? That could restore a little dignity.
    Dignity? Trump v. CNN is about dignity?

    Isn't the model for this fight the WWE?
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
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  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by dean.engelhardt View Post
    Has Acosta apologize to the woman? That could restore a little dignity.
    He made a comment while it was happening allegedly, but he hasn't since apologized. He has doubled down.

    Then the media doubled down.

    Sarah Sanders showed a "doctored" video from Paul Joseph Watson (infowars) where he merely zooms in..

    Wapo claimed that the video was doctored to make his arm look like it came down faster

    White House shares doctored video to support punishment of journalist Jim Acosta
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/techn...=.2fb79bc5ff1b


    Paul Joseph Watson confirms on his twitter that he did not alter the video to make his arm come down faster, he merely zoomed in..

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/sta...40481975787520




    Just goes to show how much more fake news the media is than infowars ever was..
    Last edited by dannno; 11-08-2018 at 03:49 PM.
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  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    He made a comment while it was happening allegedly, but he hasn't since apologized. He has doubled down.

    Then the media doubled down.

    Sarah Sanders showed a "doctored" video from Paul Joseph Watson (infowars) where he merely zooms in.


    Paul Joseph Watson confirms on his twitter that he did not alter the video to make his arm come down faster, he merely zoomed in.


    Just goes to show how much more fake news the media is than infowars ever was..
    In the OP video he says "Pardon me, Ma'am."

    Also, zooming by editing does speed up action a bit. In the vid you show, it is a bit faster, choppier & fuzzy.

    Just sayin'.
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  22. #79
    I predicted this thread would get a lot of action.
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  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    In the OP video he says "Pardon me, Ma'am."

    Also, zooming by editing does speed up action a bit. In the vid you show, it is a bit faster, choppier & fuzzy.

    Just sayin'.
    Bull$#@!, zooming in does not speed up the action, it is just zooming in. His arm moves faster in pixels per second, but the action takes the same amount of time. The video is more grainy because it isn't the original and went through some editing, but he didn't make it look worse than it was except to zoom in.

    The point is the media is lying, again..

    And it would be polite of him to apologize, a "pardon me ma'am" while he karate chops her arms means you apologize with a "sorry" after.
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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  25. #81

    Jim Acosta violated one of the oldest rules of journalism

    https://nypost.com/2018/11/07/jim-ac...of-journalism/

    November 7, 2018



    By producing a split decision, the election that was supposed to end all elections turned out to be fairly predictable. But it’s the day after that was unlike any other.

    The Republican president, the likely speaker of the Democrat-controlled House and the Senate’s Republican majority leader each started Wednesday by talking about working together to get things done. They talked to each other privately and talked separately in public about what they thought they could accomplish for the country.

    For most Americans, that would make for a very good day. Given the overheated environment leading up to the midterms and the fear among many that we are drifting toward an era of disunion and spreading political violence, bipartisan pledges to work together for the common good were like the sudden emergence of a bright candle flickering in the wind.

    Alas, it was the last thing some members of the White House press corps wanted, so they tried to snuff it out.

    The conduct of a handful of so-called reporters during President Trump’s news conference was disgraceful beyond measure. This is not journalism, this is narcissism.

    Naturally, the boorish Jim Acosta of CNN was the instigator. As is his habit, Acosta doesn’t ask questions — he makes accusations and argues. Almost daily, he does it with the press secretary; Wednesday, he did it with the president.

    “I want to challenge you,” Acosta began after Trump called on him. Trump realized he’d made a mistake, murmuring, “Here we go,” and Acosta didn’t disappoint.

    He insisted that despite the president’s use of the word “invasion,” the caravan of Central American migrants “is not an invasion.”

    He adopted a lecturing, I-know-best tone to declare that “they’re hundreds and hundreds of miles away; that’s not an invasion.”
    Trump’s response should not have been necessary: “Honestly, I think you should let me run the country, you run CNN.”

    After more back-and-forth, he called Acosta “a rude, terrible person” and said “CNN should be ashamed of itself.”

    That should have been enough — Acosta got the attention he wanted and got Trump’s goat, giving his network video it could make hay out of for days. Besides, there were scores of other reporters raising their hands to be called on.

    But Acosta wouldn’t give up the microphone and kept talking over Trump, trying to lob another grenade.

    The president, clearly angry now and stepping away from the podium as if he might bolt the room, pointed at him and said forcefully, “That’s enough, that’s enough. Put down the mic.”

    Finally, Acosta sat down, then stood up to argue again, interrupting another reporter. That reporter, from NBC, praised Acosta and picked up the baton by making his own accusation disguised as a question. He mentioned Trump’s attacks on Democrats and “asked” the president: Why are “you are pitting Americans against one another?”

    Trump, to his credit, actually answered in a substantive way, but that didn’t satisfy because the reporter didn’t really ask a question. He too just wanted to make an accusation and argue. On camera.

    There was a time not long ago when young journalists were taught not to become the story. Apparently, many news organizations have flipped that lesson on its head.

    But we are witnessing something more insidious here than media trash talk. Plain and simple, we are watching expressions of personal hatred.

    Yes, it’s true that most journalists lean far left and their bias sticks out like so many sore thumbs. That’s been true for a long time, but political bias is an insufficient explanation for the Jim Acostas of our time.

    They hate Trump. They really, really hate him. There’s nothing professional about it.

    They are not alone. Take a poll of almost any major newsroom in America and the vast majority of those working there, if they are being honest, will confess that they too can’t stand the existence or the sound of Trump.

    Or try to imagine Acosta and his ilk behaving in similarly hostile fashion toward Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton. Keep trying, but you can’t imagine it because it never happened. Both of those pols lied to journalists repeatedly, yet you can bet 90 percent still voted straight Democratic.

    Even if they didn’t like Obama or Clinton, the political reporters would never dare accuse them publicly of anything, argue with them or interrupt them. Even when skeptical, they were respectful.

    Recall how Obama used to spend 10, 15 and even 20 minutes answering a single question — without interruption.

    Many in the press corps may have found him overbearingly arrogant. They may have resented the way he looked down on them and bristled at critical stories or tough questions. They knew he started more leak investigations than any other president, and might have feared him because his Justice Department wiretapped a Fox News reporter during a leak case.

    But they would never interrupt him or insult him or refuse to give up the microphone.

    White House press credentials are not a universal right. There are implicit expectations of proper behavior, and the White House decision to suspend Acosta’s credential is warranted.

    Just as Acosta can’t go into a movie theater and yell “Fire” when there is no fire, he should not have the right to hijack a presidential press conference to suit his own ego.

    It is also long past time for his colleagues, including those from other outlets, to remind him that his shameful conduct is making all of them look bad. More important, scenes like Wednesday’s further erode the public’s already declining trust of the media and fuel resistance to the First Amendment.

    The anti-Trump antics are no longer a sideshow. America has serious problems as well as dangerous enemies, and the mere prospect of Trump, Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell working together is the best news we could have hoped for Wednesday.

    Instead, it was overshadowed by a few narcissists chasing their own vanity.

  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Bull$#@!, zooming in does not speed up the action, it is just zooming in. His arm moves faster in pixels per second, but the action takes the same amount of time. The video is more grainy because it isn't the original and went through some editing, but he didn't make it look worse than it was except to zoom in.

    The point is the media is lying, again..

    And it would be polite of him to apologize, a "pardon me ma'am" while he karate chops her arms means you apologize with a "sorry" after.
    Bull$#@! back- zooming in can speed up the action and it was NO karate chop.

    Yes, Acosta was not behaving well, and neither was Trump, but to carry on like the girl was attacked in pure bull$#@! at it's finest.
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  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Bull$#@! back- zooming in can speed up the action and it was NO karate chop.
    Can't you read???

    His arm moves faster in pixels per second, but the action takes the same amount of time. The video is more grainy because it isn't the original and went through some editing, but he didn't make it look worse than it was except to zoom in.

    There was absolutely a light karate chop. Obviously it wasn't full strength, but that is what he did to her arm.


    Yes, Acosta was not behaving well, and neither was Trump, but to carry on like the girl was attacked in pure bull$#@! at it's finest.

    Trump didn't push or hit any women's arms.
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Trump has good taste in interns.
    As did Bill Clinton.
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  29. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Can't you read???




    There was absolutely a light karate chop. Obviously it wasn't full strength, but that is what he did to her arm.





    Trump didn't push or hit any women's arms.
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  30. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Ender will defend the enemy to his dying breath, he is either a troll or he has a psychological problem.
    Says the biggest troll on the forum.
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  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Can't you read???




    There was absolutely a light karate chop. Obviously it wasn't full strength, but that is what he did to her arm.





    Trump didn't push or hit any women's arms.
    dannno- I'm a blackbelt & a filmmaker.

    Like I said- Acosta was a jerk, but to make a YUGE scene out of this is nonsense.
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  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    dannno- I'm a blackbelt & a filmmaker.

    Like I said- Acosta was a jerk, but to make a YUGE scene out of this is nonsense.
    Then you should know just how differences in compression can cause changes in the speed of clips, lost frames etc.
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  34. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    dannno- I'm a blackbelt & a filmmaker.
    Ok, then you should agree with what I'm saying.. zooming in speeds up the amount the pixels move per second on the screen, but the action takes the same amount of time.. so it's not really "speeding up".

    Certainly not "doctored" except for the part about zooming in.. but it is dishonest to say that zooming in is dishonest. That is just what you do when you want to get a closer look.

    I believe a karate chop is when your palm is open, and you "chop" down with the bottom of your hand onto something. That is what he did. It wasn't hard. He didn't break her arm. But that's what he did. If you saw something else, make the argument. But everybody will disagree with you unless they are dishonest.

    Like I said- Acosta was a jerk, but to make a YUGE scene out of this is nonsense.
    They took his press pass away, that was fair, they don't need people man handling the women with the mic at these events.

    It's the leftist media that is making a big scene about the whole thing because he got removed.
    Last edited by dannno; 11-08-2018 at 05:37 PM.
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    dannno- I'm a...filmmaker.
    Hollywood propagandist?
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