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    Exclamation Law-abiding gun Owner Killed During Red Flag Confiscation Raid

    Gary Willis, a resident of Ferndale, Maryland, was awakened Monday morning at 5:17 a.m. when two officers from Anne Arundel County knocked on his door. A law-abiding gun owner, Willis answered the door “with a gun in his hand,” according to a police department spokesman. They were there to serve him with an “extreme risk protective order” and remove his legally owned firearms.

    According to the spokesman, Willis put his firearm down to read the ERPO but then, apparently recognizing that it wasn’t a legal search warrant issued by a judge in accordance with protections guaranteed to him by the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, but instead was issued by a local judge under Maryland’s newly minted “red flag” law, he retrieved his firearm.

    The spokesman said that Willis “became irate.” In the melee that followed, one of the firearms carried either by one of the officers or by Willis went off. One of the officers then pulled his own sidearm and shot Willis dead.

    Family members told Capital Gazette reporters that a distant relative had requested the ERPO the day before, due to an “incident” that occurred at his residence. The details of the “incident” remain unclear at this writing, but the backpedaling by the police chief began almost immediately.
    Said Anne Arundel County police chief Timothy Altomare:
    If you look at this morning’s outcome, it’s tough for us to say, “Well, what did we prevent?” Because we don’t know what we prevented or could’ve prevented.
    What would have happened if we didn’t go there at 5 am?
    Probably nothing. Because during his many years as a resident at his home in Ferndale nothing untoward happened. His niece, Michele Willis, said “I’m just dumfounded right now. My uncle wouldn’t hurt anybody.”

    Chief Altomare announced that since the law became effective on October 1, there have been 19 ERPOs issued in his county, his officers have served nine of them and have seized “around 33 guns” in the process. So successful have the unconstitutional raids been in Anne Arundel County that the department is building a new storage facility specifically to accommodate all the firearms they are expected to confiscate under the new law.

    More at: https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...fiscation-raid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post

    So successful have the unconstitutional raids been in Anne Arundel County that the department is building a new storage facility specifically to accommodate all the firearms they are expected to confiscate under the new law.

    More at: https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...fiscation-raid
    Oyarde will be going down there now looking to "pick" some of them up.
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    Served

    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    This would have never happened had he not owned guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    This would have never happened had he not owned guns.

    Exactly. He did this to himself.
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    Would it be any different if he was a "illegal" gun owner? Some people besides the gun owners need to start dying because of this .
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    Not going to happen.
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    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Would it be any different if he was a "illegal" gun owner? Some people besides the gun owners need to start dying because of this .
    No difference. A person does not even need a gun to be executed by team blue.

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    This is so stupid, gov knows damned well that the more you restrict something, the more power it is going to give them to use force against you.

    If you're dating someone, or are married, they can apply to have your guns taken away, this is just downright ridiculous.... this is letting emotional issues determine law.

    Where are the politicians during all this?

    What happens if I don’t comply with an Extreme Risk Protective Order (ERPO)?

    "Then we will shoot you."


    https://www.peoples-law.org/extreme-...tective-orders

    Who can ask the court for an Extreme Risk Protective Order (ERPO)?

    The “petitioner” is the person asking the court for an ERPO. The “respondent” is the person against whom the extreme risk protective order is filed.

    The law is very specific about who can ask the court for an ERPO. The following people can request the court to issue an ERPO.

    Spouse
    Cohabitant
    Relative by blood, marriage, or adoption
    Someone with a child or children in common
    Currently dating or an intimate partner
    Current or former legal guardian
    Law enforcement officer
    Certain medical professionals who have examined the respondent


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    The law is very specific about who can ask the court for an ERPO. The following people can request the court to issue an ERPO.

    Spouse
    Cohabitant
    Relative by blood, marriage, or adoption
    Someone with a child or children in common
    Currently dating or an intimate partner
    Current or former legal guardian
    Law enforcement officer
    Certain medical professionals who have examined the respondent


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    Pretty much anybody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    This is so stupid, gov knows damned well that the more you restrict something, the more power it is going to give them to use force against you.

    If you're dating someone, or are married, they can apply to have your guns taken away, this is just downright ridiculous.... this is letting emotional issues determine law.

    Where are the politicians during all this?

    What happens if I don’t comply with an Extreme Risk Protective Order (ERPO)?

    "Then we will shoot you."


    https://www.peoples-law.org/extreme-...tective-orders

    Who can ask the court for an Extreme Risk Protective Order (ERPO)?

    The “petitioner” is the person asking the court for an ERPO. The “respondent” is the person against whom the extreme risk protective order is filed.

    The law is very specific about who can ask the court for an ERPO. The following people can request the court to issue an ERPO.

    Spouse
    Cohabitant
    Relative by blood, marriage, or adoption
    Someone with a child or children in common
    Currently dating or an intimate partner
    Current or former legal guardian
    Law enforcement officer
    Certain medical professionals who have examined the respondent


    Ask them to define: " an intimate partner"
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Pretty much anybody.
    Any member of the opposite sex can claim to be dating you.

    These days any member of your own sex can.
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    This

    IS

    door to door confiscation

    That's what it looks like

    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Almost like an Executive Order that any person can write.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    This

    IS

    door to door confiscation

    That's what it looks like
    Yup.



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    I'll take a guess and say that law enforcement is immune from this law.

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    Looks like back in April the Democrats tried this in MN. The Republicans prevented it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Looks like back in April the Democrats tried this in MN. The Republicans prevented it.
    Those who say there isn't a dime's worth of difference must value their lives rather cheaply.
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    The more I look at this, the more I see that this is the direction that gun control adherents are going to take to the Fed.gov level. On the surface it's only sensible, right? If someone is posing a risk to themselves or others, then just take their guns away until it can all be sorted out.
    This is going to take "SWATTING" to a far more dangerous level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    The more I look at this, the more I see that this is the direction that gun control adherents are going to take to the Fed.gov level. On the surface it's only sensible, right? If someone is posing a risk to themselves or others, then just take their guns away until it can all be sorted out.
    This is going to take "SWATTING" to a far more dangerous level.
    Yep.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Would it be any different if he was a "illegal" gun owner? Some people besides the gun owners need to start dying because of this .
    If he was an illegal gun owner they would not have a list of guns to confiscate.
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    This is going to take "SWATTING" to a far more dangerous level.
    It should be taking Home and Personal Defense to a new level.. Defcon 2 at least.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    The more I look at this, the more I see that this is the direction that gun control adherents are going to take to the Fed.gov level. On the surface it's only sensible, right? If someone is posing a risk to themselves or others, then just take their guns away until it can all be sorted out.
    This is going to take "SWATTING" to a far more dangerous level.
    The cops pose a risk to themselves and others. Better they should start by taking away the guns the cops have.



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