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  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by aGameOfThrones View Post
    How many billions did the DNC spend on their "blue wave" vs. the RNC for their "red wall?"
    It looks like GOP fatcat big bucks got sent into Senate races and TWO governors races in the South.
    The informality of Bernie's grassroots in tandem with Hillary's party hacks were kind to House folks.



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  3. #242
    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    It looks like GOP fatcat big bucks got sent into Senate races and TWO governors races in the South.
    The informality of Bernie's grassroots in tandem with Hillary's party hacks were kind to House folks.
    I think the DNC spent About $250 million between 1 Colorado House seat, The Irish in Texas and the two race-baiting candidates in Georgia and Florida.

  4. #243
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Here in NY I was hoping it would be like when people got sick of Mario Cuomo and elected a Republican - Pataki for governor. This time kicking out his son Andrew for Marc Molinaro, but no luck, not even close. Cuomo gets a third term and the Dems even gained control of the state senate. Complete blue wave here and all the rural counties that went Red as usual, votes don't count. Mass immigration over the last 50 years has ended the Republican party for good here.

    If I did not live here I would say good, let these SOB's that vote for this suffer the punishment of their vote under the weight of higher taxes.
    Results here in NY are scary. My district flipped from Faso to Delgado. Did not think that would happen. If Republicans don't take back power 2 years from now, the Democrats will get to redistrict and at that point we will never see a state Republican win again. That's not an exageration.

    I have a lot keeping me here in NY otherwise I would have bounced already. Family, friends, my career, and many properties. I have my own little paradise with 60 acres and property I've been putting a lot of effort and money into making it my own. In a couple years I planned on building my dream house on the back of the parcel and moving my parents into my current home. Now, for the first time, I think I'm more likely to move out of the state than stay. I'm now faced with the question of what to do with my 5 properties...

  5. #244
    Big Oil has poured a lot of money to defeat energy-restricting ballot initiatives in various states in the midterm elections, and it succeeded in two key votes.
    Voters in Colorado were asked to vote on a ballot proposition to increase the setback distance for drilling oil and gas wells by five times to 2,500 feet, which would have put a lot of land off limits for new developments. Voters in Washington State voted on a proposal to instate a U.S. first state-wide carbon tax.
    Both initiatives failed, and both ‘no’ camps were supported by Big Oil.

    More at: https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-G...ashington.html
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  6. #245
    They are saying Tester won.
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  7. #246
    Libertarians and independents, whose politics generally lean right not left, likely factored into the defeat of at least four Republican candidates, contributing to the shift in the House from Republican to Democrat control. This is not to say the typical Republican is constitutionalist (far from it, unfortunately!), but a shift Democrat control, makes the overall situation in the House worse, not better. In West Virginia, Democrat Joe Manchin barely defeated Republican Patrick Morrissey, 288,808 to 269,872 votes, a difference of 18,936 votes. But Morrissey likely would have won if Libertarian Rusty Hollen hadn’t taken 24,231 votes.
    In Iowa District 3, Democrat Cindy Axne defeated incumbent Republican David Young, 169,886 to 164,656, a difference of 5,230. The Libertarian candidate, Bryan Holder, received 7,005 votes. Two independents took 3,177 votes.

    In Virginia, incumbent conservative Dave Brat, a tea party candidate who knocked over Republican Majority Leader Eric Cantor four years ago, lost a squeaker to a former CIA operative, Abigail Spanberger, 170,737 to 165,962. Just 4,775 votes separated the two. The Libertarian, Joseph Walton, received 4,135 votes. Had Walton not polluted the race, it would have been closer, and Brat might have been able to force a recount that could change the race.
    In Kansas, an independent knocked out GOP gubernatorial candidate Kris Kobach. Leftist Laura Kelly defeated Kobach 489,337 to 443,346, a difference of 45,991. But the Independent Greg Orman collected 66,163.
    In Florida, four candidates with no chance of winning collected 99,848 votes, which nearly cost GOP gubernatorial candidate Ron DeSantis the race against hard-leftist Andrew Gillum. DeSantis won by only 55,439 votes of 8,148,645 cast, or 0.68 percent.
    One might say those candidates cost Gillum the race, which certainly might be true. But it still proves the point that down-ballot candidates with no chance of winning harm the chances of serious candidates.
    And, again, most libertarians tend to fall on the right side of the political spectrum given their skepticism of anything to do with government.
    In Georgia, Democrat Stacy Abrams refuses to concede to Republican Brian Kemp in the race for governor. Why is that? Kemp received 1,962,547 votes to Abrams’ 1,887,161, a difference of 75,386. It was 50.5 percent to 48.5 percent. The libertarian received 36,706 votes. Those votes might push the race into a runoff if Kemp's total dips below 50 percent.

    Admittedly, there are cases where independent candidates are viable. But how about other cases where independent candidates do not have a chance, yet result in a worse candidate being elected?

    More at: https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...gop-candidates
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    Alexis de Torqueville

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  8. #247
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Libertarians and independents, whose politics generally lean right not left, likely factored into the defeat of at least four Republican candidates, contributing to the shift in the House from Republican to Democrat control. This is not to say the typical Republican is constitutionalist (far from it, unfortunately!), but a shift Democrat control, makes the overall situation in the House worse, not better. In West Virginia, Democrat Joe Manchin barely defeated Republican Patrick Morrissey, 288,808 to 269,872 votes, a difference of 18,936 votes. But Morrissey likely would have won if Libertarian Rusty Hollen hadn’t taken 24,231 votes.
    In Iowa District 3, Democrat Cindy Axne defeated incumbent Republican David Young, 169,886 to 164,656, a difference of 5,230. The Libertarian candidate, Bryan Holder, received 7,005 votes. Two independents took 3,177 votes.

    In Virginia, incumbent conservative Dave Brat, a tea party candidate who knocked over Republican Majority Leader Eric Cantor four years ago, lost a squeaker to a former CIA operative, Abigail Spanberger, 170,737 to 165,962. Just 4,775 votes separated the two. The Libertarian, Joseph Walton, received 4,135 votes. Had Walton not polluted the race, it would have been closer, and Brat might have been able to force a recount that could change the race.
    In Kansas, an independent knocked out GOP gubernatorial candidate Kris Kobach. Leftist Laura Kelly defeated Kobach 489,337 to 443,346, a difference of 45,991. But the Independent Greg Orman collected 66,163.
    In Florida, four candidates with no chance of winning collected 99,848 votes, which nearly cost GOP gubernatorial candidate Ron DeSantis the race against hard-leftist Andrew Gillum. DeSantis won by only 55,439 votes of 8,148,645 cast, or 0.68 percent.
    One might say those candidates cost Gillum the race, which certainly might be true. But it still proves the point that down-ballot candidates with no chance of winning harm the chances of serious candidates.
    And, again, most libertarians tend to fall on the right side of the political spectrum given their skepticism of anything to do with government.
    In Georgia, Democrat Stacy Abrams refuses to concede to Republican Brian Kemp in the race for governor. Why is that? Kemp received 1,962,547 votes to Abrams’ 1,887,161, a difference of 75,386. It was 50.5 percent to 48.5 percent. The libertarian received 36,706 votes. Those votes might push the race into a runoff if Kemp's total dips below 50 percent.

    Admittedly, there are cases where independent candidates are viable. But how about other cases where independent candidates do not have a chance, yet result in a worse candidate being elected?

    More at: https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...gop-candidates
    And where were the other parties? No more Green Party? No Democratic Socialists? Seems that the left has coalesced around the Democrats.

    And once again, this highlights the folly of systems where a plurality can win.
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  9. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    And where were the other parties? No more Green Party? No Democratic Socialists? Seems that the left has coalesced around the Democrats.
    And they possibly put up pied piper "right wing" 3rd party/independent candidates.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    And once again, this highlights the folly of systems where a plurality can win.
    Yup, we need to make changing it one of our top priorities.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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  11. #249
    I like how Vermont has a republican governor but has Sanders as a senator.
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    Calvin Coolidge

  12. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    I like how Vermont has a republican governor but has Sanders as a senator.
    Proof that people are insane.
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  13. #251
    Where are the riots from the republicans? Resist!!! I want to wear a hat in the form of a hand.

  14. #252
    Amash wins.
    Massie wins.
    Donnelly out.
    O'Rouke loses.
    Gillum loses.

    Pretty much got everything I wanted out of this midterm.
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  15. #253
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Romney has been in bed with neocons for quite some time now. We’ll see how he votes in Senate.
    Yep- as I said.....time will tell.
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  16. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    And the ones that are fleeing NY because of it are bringing that same high tax and spend mentality down here to the south and voting for all of the same policies! In the biggest city in NC, our entire county board is now D and city council is like 7D 2R. And the new residents can't vote fast enough for every damn bond referendum that gets stuck on the ballot. Another $200 million in debt approved yesterday that will be spent on Agenda 21 /2030 projects. Then they'll complain about taxes going up.
    I suspect the ones relocating from NY are the same ones we see voting for tax and spend in every election, a majority of women, minorities and young people. Limited government folks need to some how educate these groups in mass otherwise we are up the creek. The news media and entertainment complex would be a good start to win the hearts and minds there.

    I have been saying that here for 10 years, nothing has changed and see no movement on the horizon. The problem now is we are at a tipping point where give it a few more years and it will be futile. The country demographically and politically will end up looking something like NJ where Dems outnumber Republicans 2 to 1 making it impossible to win elections without those groups and ultimately a one party system.

  17. #255
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    I suspect the ones relocating from NY are the same ones we see voting for tax and spend in every election, a majority of women, minorities and young people. Limited government folks need to some how educate these groups in mass otherwise we are up the creek. The news media and entertainment complex would be a good start to win the hearts and minds there.

    I have been saying that here for 10 years, nothing has changed and see no movement on the horizon. The problem now is we are at a tipping point where give it a few more years and it will be futile. The country demographically and politically will end up looking something like NJ where Dems outnumber Republicans 2 to 1 making it impossible to win elections without those groups and ultimately a one party system.
    How do you educate retards? Please elaborate. Ever talk to one of these people? Ever get the blank stares signifying nothing going on in the cerebrum? This is largely a human problem. A species problem. And then there are other cultural and genetic factors which play a role too.
    Now we can understand how entire populations can be enslaved over a few generations.
    Last edited by AuH20; 11-07-2018 at 06:35 PM.
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  18. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by aGameOfThrones View Post
    Where are the riots from the republicans? Resist!!! I want to wear a hat in the form of a hand.
    I have an invisible hand hat...
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.



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  20. #257
    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    How do you educate retards? Please elaborate. Ever talk to one of these people? Ever get the blank stares signifying nothing going on in the cerebrum? This is largely a human problem. A species problem. And then there are other cultural and genetic factors which play a role too.
    Now we can understand how entire populations can be enslaved over a few generations.
    Good thing the Republicans are cutting all that spending and limiting government while they control all of government.
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  21. #258
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Good thing the Republicans are cutting all that spending and limiting government while they control all of government.
    Obviously not. You do realize that a vote for a Republican these days is purely defensive?
    Last edited by AuH20; 11-07-2018 at 06:41 PM.
    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

  22. #259
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Good thing the Republicans are cutting all that spending and limiting government while they control all of government.
    It's a good thing for your side there are enough RINOs that they can force "compromises" with the left's agenda and then pretend there isn't difference between the parties.
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  23. #260
    Quote Originally Posted by fcreature View Post
    Results here in NY are scary. My district flipped from Faso to Delgado. Did not think that would happen. If Republicans don't take back power 2 years from now, the Democrats will get to redistrict and at that point we will never see a state Republican win again. That's not an exageration.

    I have a lot keeping me here in NY otherwise I would have bounced already. Family, friends, my career, and many properties. I have my own little paradise with 60 acres and property I've been putting a lot of effort and money into making it my own. In a couple years I planned on building my dream house on the back of the parcel and moving my parents into my current home. Now, for the first time, I think I'm more likely to move out of the state than stay. I'm now faced with the question of what to do with my 5 properties...
    If without the agricultural property tax exemption the taxes are painful. It really makes you wonder about people, kind of like the NPC meme. Say for example you decided to put rentals on those properties and fill them with Democrats as tenants. You think the renters at some point would be smart enough to realize that you would likely have to pass any property tax hikes on to them and rather vote for the party that would be in their own best interests to prevent the rent increases.

  24. #261
    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    How do you educate retards? Please elaborate. Ever talk to one of these people? Ever get the blank stares signifying nothing going on in the cerebrum? This is largely a human problem. A species problem. And then there are other cultural and genetic factors which play a role too.
    Now we can understand how entire populations can be enslaved over a few generations.
    I started to touch on that in the post above then saw your post. I am not just speaking of totally ignorant people either but rather those that have white collar careers yet demonstrate complete political ignorance. They will ramble on about Trump regardless of state and local issues. Truly unbelievable, like they are programmed and without independent thought.

  25. #262
    It's gonna be hilarious with Cortez in the congress. Hopefully someone $#@!s the socialist out of her.
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  26. #263
    So, the polls and associated analysis said the Dems would take the House and end up with 233 (or thereabouts).

    They've taken the House and will end up with 229.

    The national popular vote for the House (i.e. reality test for the generic Congressional ballot) was, last I checked, about D +6.5%.

    The prediction, by RCP at last count, was D +7.2%, IIRC.

    So, were the polls fake, or were they pretty much on target?

    ...this is a rhetorical question.
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  27. #264
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    So, the polls and associated analysis said the Dems would take the House and end up with 233 (or thereabouts).

    They've taken the House and will end up with 229.

    The national popular vote for the House (i.e. reality test for the generic Congressional ballot) was, last I checked, about D +6.5%.

    The prediction, by RCP at last count, was D +7.2%, IIRC.

    So, were the polls fake, or were they pretty much on target?

    ...this is a rhetorical question.
    I'd say the top of the margin of error for if the polls weren't biased overlapped with the bottom of the margin of error of the biased polls.
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  29. #265
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    So, the polls and associated analysis said the Dems would take the House and end up with 233 (or thereabouts).

    They've taken the House and will end up with 229.

    The national popular vote for the House (i.e. reality test for the generic Congressional ballot) was, last I checked, about D +6.5%.

    The prediction, by RCP at last count, was D +7.2%, IIRC.

    So, were the polls fake, or were they pretty much on target?

    ...this is a rhetorical question.
    Currently 222 with about 16 yet to be decided. https://www.vox.com/a/midterms-2018

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    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 11-07-2018 at 07:53 PM.
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  30. #266
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I'd say the top of the margin of error for if the polls weren't biased overlapped with the bottom of the margin of error of the biased polls.
    So, you're saying it was a terrific and wonderful victory for the GOP, as President Goober said today?
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  31. #267
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    So, you're saying it was a terrific and wonderful victory for the GOP, as President Goober said today?
    It was fantastic and luxurious.
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  32. #268
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    So, you're saying it was a terrific and wonderful victory for the GOP, as President Goober said today?
    No, I'm saying it was a lucky fluke for the pollsters.

    It was a minor loss for the good guys, but even that may be enough to either cause a civil war or doom us to communism if Trump doesn't take off the gloves and destroy the left with their giant list of scandals.
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  33. #269
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    No, I'm saying it was a lucky fluke for the pollsters.

    It was a minor loss for the good guys, but even that may be enough to either cause a civil war or doom us to communism if Trump doesn't take off the gloves and destroy the left with their giant list of scandals.
    Oh, well, maybe if he increases spending by a couple hundred billion more he'll finally defeat the left...

    ...which definitely doesn't include him.
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  34. #270
    I'm surprised O'Rourke lost by only 2 points. Figured Cruz would have won in a landslide.
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