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    Immigrant Caravan, Soros, And A Lying Conspiracy

    How the lie and conspiracy that Soros and the caravan is connected come to be, grew, and became a full fledged conspiracy, one which has easily manipulated and deceived even many on this site.

    This is the life of a lie.

    Three weeks ago, a caravan of Hondurans began walking nearly 2,000 miles to the United States. Their ranks grew as they inched north and, along with them, falsehoods grew, too. But one stands out: a conspiracy theory that liberal billionaire George Soros, a Jewish immigrant, is paying the migrants to make the journey – or even orchestrating it.

    Members of Congress and the president’s son both repeated it. Conservative celebrities, too.

    It also may have resonated in darker places. Cesar Sayoc, the man charged with mailing pipe bombs to Soros and other prominent critics of President Donald Trump, dwelled at length online about conspiracy theories involving the Hungarian-American philanthropist. Robert Bowers, charged with killing 11 people worshiping in a Pittsburgh synagogue on Saturday, used his social media accounts to post extensively about the caravan, including circulating an image of refugees in Guatemala purportedly climbing into a truck with a Star of David on the side.

    But it began with a handful of posts in the caravan’s early days.



    One of the first was from a North Carolina writer who goes by the screen name “lorettatheprole.” Loretta Malakie has more than 6,000 followers on Twitter, to whom she directs frequent posts about “white genocide,” Jews and the “invading force” approaching the border.

    On Oct. 14, Malakie posted a link to an article about the caravan, with a single word of commentary: “Soros.”

    That same day, identical posts appeared over the course of 20 minutes in six pro-Trump Facebook groups. Combined, those six groups had 165,000 members. A user who gave the name Philip Balzano, a Trump supporter from Chicago, wrote to the Trump Train group: “Here Comes ANOTHER Group of Paid for New Demoncratic Voters Just in Time for the Primaries... The Financier aka ‘Win at All Costs’ ‘Never Let a Good Crisis Go to Waste’ the Evil George Soros and His 140+ Orgs, Should Be Classified as Terrorist and Terrorist Orgs.”

    Malakie declined to comment, though on Twitter she panned the USA TODAY reporter who called her as “evil.” Balzano did not respond to an interview request sent through Facebook.

    The Soros theory was not new – it had made the rounds during previous caravans in the spring and again in August. In fact, one Facebook user posting in October provided as evidence a video of Glenn Beck discussing the spring caravan’s alleged connections to Soros.

    This time, though, the theory snowballed, gaining political purchase as the caravan became a flashpoint in the final weeks of a contentious midterm campaign.

    “It’s really significant how these memes can go from feverswamp-ish places to be amplified by lawmakers, even the president," said David Carroll, associate professor at The New School's Parsons School of Design in New York. “From there, the impact on world events can’t be underestimated.”

    Lies, of course, are not new either. But social media can turn a breeze into a hurricane. It carried this falsehood to millions with a few taps on a screen. It also left a distinct trail that makes it possible to follow how lies spread and who told them, a map of their trajectory from the darker corners of the internet to the political mainstream.

    USA TODAY followed that path by examining tens of thousands of social media posts on three major mainstream social media sites: Twitter, Facebook and Reddit.



    Over the next three days, a few louder social media voices weighed in. By Oct. 16 – four days after the caravan departed – the combined following of accounts mentioning both Soros and the caravan had reached 2 million, still a pebble in the flood tide of social media. (The total includes some duplicates because people follow more than one account.)

    On Twitter, someone with the username “LibertyBell1000” warned about 42,000 followers that Soros had “manufactured yet another immigrant caravan ‘crisis.’ ” Another, using the name “WhoWolfe,” asked “Anybody else think Soros and the Dirty Dems are behind this?”

    More posts spread across Facebook. Trump supporter Randy Penrod posted in a group called “The Deplorable's,” with about 186,000 members, “Our stable leader just called out the Soros conspired invasion of new Democrat voters in a tweet just moments ago.”

    Tap, tap, tap.

    It took just one more day for the theory to reach critical mass, breaking through into widespread public consciousness.



    The evening of Oct. 17, a Republican member of Congress posted a video on Twitter of what he said was people in Honduras handing out small sums of money to migrants.

    “Soros? US-backed NGOs? Time to investigate the source!” he wrote.

    Rep. Matt Gaetz would later concede that he was mistaken about where the video was shot (it was Guatemala). But by then his message had metastasized, spreading far beyond the 153,000 people who follow the north Florida congressman’s tweets.

    Conservative commentator Ann Coulter retweeted it to her 2 million followers. So did Sarah Carter, a journalist who’s a frequent guest on Fox News.

    Jack Posobiec – a correspondent for conservative cable news television channel One America News Network – got more specific, implying Soros was renting RVs for the migrants.

    Posobiec was among the early proponents of “Pizzagate,” a social-media conspiracy that falsely claimed then-candidate Hillary Clinton and other Democrats were running a pedophile sex trafficking ring from the basement of a Washington, D.C., pizzeria. It drew a man with a gun to Comet Pizza, where he intended to rescue the children.

    The next day, even more influential voices repeated it.

    One was the president’s son, Donald Trump Jr., who retweeted Gaetz’s post to his 3.1 million followers. The younger Trump has been actively campaigning for Republicans on television and the campaign trail in the lead up to the midterm elections. A spokesman for Donald Trump Jr. declined to comment.

    On Twitter alone, at least 43,000 accounts with a combined 127 million followers carried some message linking Soros to the caravan over those two days; most fanning the conspiracy, a few seeking to knock it down.

    On Reddit, where users share and comment on news and memes, the lie exploded. Five posts in The_Donald subreddit tied Soros to the caravan. Within a week, there would be 10 times more. The_Donald has 675,000 members.



    Ten days after the caravan began in Honduras, police started intercepting what appeared to be pipe bombs – PVC tubes packed with what the FBI later called “energetic material,” wrapped with tape and attached to a clock – that had been sent to Soros and other prominent critics of President Trump.

    By the time police found the first of those bombs in Soros’ mailbox in Westchester County, New York, the lie about his involvement with the caravan had been posted by 20,000 more users on Twitter – to a combined audience of 117 million – and more weighed in on Facebook, Reddit and other sites.

    It was like a runaway train. Unstoppable.

    Another member of Congress, Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, said in a Fox News interview that he couldn't “help but think that Democrats, perhaps Soros and others, may be funding this thinking it will help them.”

    By then, the lie also was at an inflection point. Online, the biggest voices were those debunking it. The day before the bomb was found at Soros’ house, the most prominent people mentioning the theory on Twitter had no longer been conservative commentators but instead New York Times columnist Paul Krugman and Chelsea Clinton.

    But researchers say repetition is repetition. Even exposing a lie plays a central role in mutating fantasy into fact, or at least a matter of debate. Here, news coverage – including this story – play a significant role.

    “The choices reporters and editors make about what to cover and how to cover it play a key part in regulating the amount of oxygen supplied to the falsehoods, antagonisms, and manipulations that threaten to overrun the contemporary media ecosystem,” Syracuse University professor Whitney Phillips wrote in a paper this year on disinformation.

    Attention alone can lend credence to the very information critics mean to undermine.

    By Oct. 22, posts debunking the theory also emerged. One from Arizona Christian conservative Joshua Feuerstein was among Facebook’s most-viewed videos pushing the Soros-caravan connection. Feuerstein is best known for characterizing Starbucks’ shift to generic red holiday cups as a war on Christmas.

    His video purported to show Honduran migrants on a truck. Accompanying text popularized a direct connection not just to Soros, but to the midterms: “They are not coming on foot as CNN #FakeNews says! George Soros is paying for them to show up at the border by mid term elections!”

    The video and text drew 137,000 views.



    Exactly how far the lie linking Soros to the migrant caravan has traveled is impossible to measure in full. Messages on 4chan and other sites where conspiracies germinate disappear quickly. Gab – a social media site that attracted right-wing figures banished from more mainstream platforms – itself was on the verge of disappearing this week. Even on mainstream sites like Facebook and Instagram, many messages are private.

    Still, by the morning of Oct. 27, it had spread to hundreds of millions of users on mainstream social media, and found its way to many more on cable news.

    That morning, federal prosecutors allege that trucker Robert Bowers stormed into the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh and shot 11 worshipers to death. The authorities have offered few details about what might have motivated him to attack, but online Bowers left his own trail of grievance and conspiracy.

    Using the handle OneDingo on Twitter, Bowers shared anti-Jewish content and criticized President Trump. Since January, he was a regular on Gab, too, where his bio read: “Jews are the children of Satan.” The image on his Gab account referred to a white supremacist meme. His last message read: “Screw your optics, I'm going in.”

    And by the next day, he did.

    In the aftermath, as the news media rushed to cover the killings and to explain the internet conspiracies that might have precipitated such a massacre – the lie spread anew.

    It is fascinating how such an obvious lie has manipulated so many here. They are right, there is a conspiracy. But the conspiracy is not for Soros or "the liberals" or "the Jews" to bring these people here. Rather it is a conspiracy by those in power to manipulate the ignorance and fear of the masses to win from them submission and obedience to the State and its elite managers. Those who claim to be awake to the conspiracy are ironically those most fooled by a conspiracy to gain their obedience.



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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    It is fascinating how such an obvious lie has manipulated so many here. They are right, there is a conspiracy. But the conspiracy is not for Soros or "the liberals" or "the Jews" to bring these people here. Rather it is a conspiracy by those in power to manipulate the ignorance and fear of the masses to win from them submission and obedience to the State and its elite managers. Those who claim to be awake to the conspiracy are ironically those most fooled by a conspiracy to gain their obedience.
    I agree.
    There is no spoon.

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    JUDICIAL WATCH DOCS PROVE MIGRANT CARAVAN FUNDED BY SOROS & OTHER INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS
    Globalists restricting Lou Dobbs for accurately reporting caravan origins — funding must be cut off now!

    Jamie White | Infowars.com - OCTOBER 29, 2018

    Billionaire globalist George Soros used State Department resources and taxpayer funds to advance his leftist political activities, including influencing migration policy, according to documents obtained by Judicial Watch earlier this year.

    The 32 pages of records show the Obama administration sent U.S. taxpayer money to Soros-backed groups in Albania to fund his subversive political activity, and that he assisted the State Department in deciding how to allocate taxpayer funds for certain grants.

    The documents obtained through Judicial Watch’s FOIA lawsuit reveal the mechanism by which Soros-backed groups are able to organize efforts like the migrant caravans through groups like Pueblos Sin Fronteras, and the leftist coalition known as CARA.

    Additionally, leaked 2016 documents from Soros’ Open Society Foundation, titled “Migration Governance and Enforcement Portfolio Review,” show close ties between his NGO and the United Nations’ migration representative Peter Sutherland related to facilitating mass migration, including shaping international migration policy.

    “IMI’s [Open Society International Migration Initiative] access to the Sutherland team’s discussions has allowed us to keep civil society partners up-to-date on the latest developments, in order to inform advocacy and campaigning strategies prior to the events and to plan follow up actions,” the leaked document states.

    The Soros document goes on to claim the cozy relationship with Sutherland has “set the stage for institutional reforms to global migration governance, and to break new ground on protections for migrants outside the asylum system,” meaning unfettered protection for migrants regardless of asylum criteria.

    Together, these documents paint a picture of how Soros-backed NGOs and the UN are quarterbacking the migrant caravans funneling their way to the U.S. southern border, such as logistics-planning, food and water distribution, and media outreach.

    This is why the globalists pulled the “Lou Dobbs Tonight” episode featuring Judicial Watch Director Chris Farrell, resulting in his permanent ban from Fox News and an apology from the network, absurdly claiming his rhetoric was antisemitic.

    Farrell clearly outlined how Soros, evidenced by the above documents, allocates taxpayer funds from the State Department to his NGOs to push his far-left political agenda of creating a borderless utopia.

    And that’s why he had to be silenced.
    https://www.infowars.com/judicial-wa...organizations/
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    Leftists love to complain about "dark money" and billionaires like the Koch brothers. No conspiracy needed here, just take the man at his word:



    https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-im-...nts-1474344001
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    How the lie and conspiracy that Soros and the caravan is connected come to be, grew, and became a full fledged conspiracy, one which has easily manipulated and deceived even many on this site.
    Please address donnay and spudea's post in an intellectually honest way, and considering editing the OP to admit you were wrong.

    Spreading disinfo is wrong.
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    Donna, don't you see what is happening? It was pointed out in another thread, but just like the NYT, CNN, and WaPo manipulate their audience with 1/2 facts and misleading information, so does Infowars, Natural News, Project Veritas and the rest. It's just that those orgs are feeding you the BS you enjoy.

    In this case, they take the Judicial Watch docs of funneling taxpayer money to "charities" that Soros also funds, and then they make the leap to tie it to this particular caravan. But those ties become less and less clear at each step.

    As usual, the truth is somewhere in between. The "caravan" probably started organically, but as word spread, the media took notice and spread the word even faster. Charities sympathetic to their plight jumped in to help support them. And yes, Soros donates to some of those charities. As more attention was focused on it, more people were attracted to it as a way to get what they want - some people wanted to escape their conditions, some wanted to make a political point, some wanted to use it as a battering ram for elections, etc. But just as those people are being manipulated, so are you. The whole damned thing is just unfortunate. But yet people keep falling for it. Divide and conquer - it's what governments do.
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    REP LOUIE GOHMERT DOUBLES-DOWN AFTER ENDING DOBBS SEGMENT WITH ‘IT’S NOT ANTI-SEMITIC TO CRITICIZE [GEORGE] SOROS’

    10:03 PM 11/01/2018 | US
    Scott Morefield | Reporter

    Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert fired back at those who accuse him and others of anti-Semitism for criticizing liberal billionaire financier George Soros.

    At the end of a segment on Wednesday night’s “Lou Dobbs Tonight,” Gohmert said, “It’s not anti-Semitic to criticize Soros, and Israel issued a statement a year ago saying just that.”



    Gohmert’s televised comments came less than a week after Judicial Watch’s Chris Farrell was banned from Fox-affiliated networks after accusing the “Soros-occupied State Department” of funding the caravan of migrants on its way through Mexico to the United States, a claim that the Texas congressman himself has echoed.

    WASHINGTON, DC – MAY 22: U.S. Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) speaks as Rep. Mark Meadows (R-NC) (R), Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) (2nd R), and Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) (L) listen during a news conference May 22, 2018 on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC. Rep. Zeldin will introduce with at least 16 other House Republicans a resolution to call for the appointment of a second special counsel to investigate the Òmisconduct at highest level of Department of Justice and the FBI.Ó (Photo by Alex Wong/Getty Images)
    The left has made a concerted attempt to link any criticism of the billionaire financier with anti-Semitism. In an article titled, “‘Dripping with poison of antisemitism’: the demonization of George Soros,” The Guardian’s Jason Wilson makes his case:

    From the racist white nationalist site the Daily Stormer to major conservative media stars, the right has been increasingly united over the last decade in seeing the hidden hand of Soros, whom they frequently describe as a “globalist”, in all manner of events.

    He has been falsely accused by the right of orchestrating alleged violence from so-called “antifa” groups, manipulating the world economy, being a wartime Nazi collaborator and sponsoring the entirely fictional project of “white genocide.”

    As does Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff, who told CNN’s Jake Tapper on Sunday that attempts to link Soros to the caravan is akin to a “blood libel” against Jews. (RELATED: Joe Scarborough Likens Migrant Caravan To ‘Gypsies And Jews’ Who Were Persecuted By The Nazis)

    In a statement to The Daily Caller, Rep. Gohmert doubled-down on his criticism of Soros:

    “The alt-left media, including the New York Times, has decided to provide an all out defense of their beloved, self-identified and remorseless former Nazi collaborator of Jewish lineage, who even the Israeli government knows well is not their friend. George Soros, an anti-God, anti-Israel billionaire, is perhaps the largest ever global funder of efforts to undermine America’s Constitution. Anyone who puts this much effort into the destabilization of America and the destruction of Israel deserves to be called out for his actions.”

    The Texas congressman also included a link to a statement from Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs that essentially accused the billionaire financier of undermining “Israel’s democratically elected governments by funding organizations that defame the Jewish state and seek to deny it the right to defend itself.”


    WASHINGTON – JUNE 3: Philanthropist George Soros (L) greets U.S. Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) after she introduced him at the Take Back America Conference June 3, 2004 in Washington, DC. The conference aims to unite progressive issue groups as well as train for organizing campaigns in 2004 and beyond. (Photo by Matthew Cavanaugh/Getty Images)
    Finally, Free Beacon’s David Rutz wondered why the left has banned criticism of Soros, yet allow and encourage criticism of right-wing financiers like Sheldon Adelson.

    MSNBC anchor Stephanie Ruhle smirked at the camera and surmised Trump exited the Iran nuclear deal to “please Sheldon Adelson,” and then-Comedy Central host Stephen Colbert once joked about Scott Walker wanting the “blessing and fortune of Sheldon Adelson, but they’re not greedy. They’ll settle for just the fortune.”

    Tom Steyer, another Democratic megadonor whose father was Jewish, recently said Adelson’s transfer of millions to the Republican National Committee was directly tied to the Trump administration’s move of the U.S. embassy in Israel to Jerusalem and decision to exit the Iran nuclear deal.
    https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/01/l...zen.yandex.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post


    Donna, don't you see what is happening? It was pointed out in another thread, but just like the NYT, CNN, and WaPo manipulate their audience with 1/2 facts and misleading information, so does Infowars, Natural News, Project Veritas and the rest. It's just that those orgs are feeding you the BS you enjoy.

    In this case, they take the Judicial Watch docs of funneling taxpayer money to "charities" that Soros also funds, and then they make the leap to tie it to this particular caravan. But those ties become less and less clear at each step.

    As usual, the truth is somewhere in between. The "caravan" probably started organically, but as word spread, the media took notice and spread the word even faster. Charities sympathetic to their plight jumped in to help support them. And yes, Soros donates to some of those charities. As more attention was focused on it, more people were attracted to it as a way to get what they want - some people wanted to escape their conditions, some wanted to make a political point, some wanted to use it as a battering ram for elections, etc. But just as those people are being manipulated, so are you. The whole damned thing is just unfortunate. But yet people keep falling for it. Divide and conquer - it's what governments do.
    This seems to be an area where you are quite naive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post


    Donna, don't you see what is happening? It was pointed out in another thread, but just like the NYT, CNN, and WaPo manipulate their audience with 1/2 facts and misleading information, so does Infowars, Natural News, Project Veritas and the rest. It's just that those orgs are feeding you the BS you enjoy.

    In this case, they take the Judicial Watch docs of funneling taxpayer money to "charities" that Soros also funds, and then they make the leap to tie it to this particular caravan. But those ties become less and less clear at each step.

    As usual, the truth is somewhere in between. The "caravan" probably started organically, but as word spread, the media took notice and spread the word even faster. Charities sympathetic to their plight jumped in to help support them. And yes, Soros donates to some of those charities. As more attention was focused on it, more people were attracted to it as a way to get what they want - some people wanted to escape their conditions, some wanted to make a political point, some wanted to use it as a battering ram for elections, etc. But just as those people are being manipulated, so are you. The whole damned thing is just unfortunate. But yet people keep falling for it. Divide and conquer - it's what governments do.
    I don't follow. The OP says it is a lie to say that George Soros funds the caravan. And what you are saying is that George Soros funds charities, and the charities fund the caravans. Therefore George Soros funds the caravans is a true statement. Seems crystal clear to me.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    I don't follow. The OP says it is a lie to say that George Soros funds the caravan. And what you are saying is that George Soros funds charities, and the charities fund the caravans. Therefore George Soros funds the caravans is a true statement. Seems crystal clear to me.
    Correlation and causation are blurred. But yeah. There's a myth promoted on the right that Soros is directing the caravans. There's a similar myth on the left that it's all organic. But it's neither. And it's both. The point is that this issue is a government vs. you issue, not a left vs. right issue. But if you want to let the government/media to use it as a wedge issue, then fall for this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Correlation and causation are blurred. But yeah. There's a myth promoted on the right that Soros is directing the caravans. There's a similar myth on the left that it's all organic. But it's neither. And it's both. The point is that this issue is a government vs. you issue, not a left vs. right issue. But if you want to let the government/media to use it as a wedge issue, then fall for this game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Correlation and causation are blurred. But yeah. There's a myth promoted on the right that Soros is directing the caravans. There's a similar myth on the left that it's all organic. But it's neither. And it's both. The point is that this issue is a government vs. you issue, not a left vs. right issue. But if you want to let the government/media to use it as a wedge issue, then fall for this game.
    Maybe it really is a right vs. left thing, and Soros and pals are manipulating *you* to think it's you vs. the government? It all plays into what you like... right?

    My point is we won't know until the aliens return.
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    Pueblo Sin Fronteras and the thoroughly awful Catholic Charities Immigration Services were involved in organizing and continuing to lead the invading host.

    There is no question about it.

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...es/1804008002/

    Soros, Catholic leftists, Bolshevik one worlders...I frankly don't give a $#@! about who organized it at this point, the objective is clear:

    Allow an invading army into the country against no real resistance, as a Fifth Generation warfare tactic, for the purposes of displacing, replacing and eventually removing the existing population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Please address donnay and spudea's post in an intellectually honest way, and considering editing the OP to admit you were wrong.

    Spreading disinfo is wrong.
    Lol. Intellectually honest. You're trying to tell me a site started so Gay Frogs can fool stupid people into buying fake vitamins is intellectually honest?

    What a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Leftists love to complain about "dark money" and billionaires like the Koch brothers. No conspiracy needed here, just take the man at his word:



    https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-im-...nts-1474344001
    I see you're incapable of understanding. The byline clearly states he is investigating in companies started by immigrants.

    That you think that means he is secretly funding a migrant caravan in order to further a diabolical Jewish conspiracy just means you've been made a fool of by a conspiracy created to seduce you into giving the government all it needs to control your every movement.

    Fear really is the mind-killer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Lol. Intellectually honest. You're trying to tell me a site started so Gay Frogs can fool stupid people into buying fake vitamins is intellectually honest?

    What a joke.
    Do you see the irony in the statement you just made?

    I don't understand why people like you come here and completely discredit yourself by spewing nonsense.
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    Cui bono?

    Does thousands of migrants showing up at the border around midterm elections get more republicans or democrats voting? Unless it's an obvious democrat boost then I don't buy any dem funding it. Seems like this should definitely get the wall builders to show up.
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  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    I see you're incapable of understanding. The byline clearly states he is investigating in companies started by immigrants.
    I see you are incapable of reading. Try reading the by-line again.



    Can you tell me what a social-impact initiative is, specifically?

    Amazing how all of your posts contain so much nonsense.

    You do realize how much you discredit yourself every time you type, right?
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  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Lol. Intellectually honest. You're trying to tell me a site started so Gay Frogs can fool stupid people into buying fake vitamins is intellectually honest?

    What a joke.
    So you do not believe that the herbicide atrazine in the soil and water causes teratogenentic mutations?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrazine

    Debatable points I'm sure, but there is more to this than can just be dismissed by a flippant remark.
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  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    I see you're incapable of understanding. The byline clearly states he is investigating in companies started by immigrants.

    That you think that means he is secretly funding a migrant caravan in order to further a diabolical Jewish conspiracy just means you've been made a fool of by a conspiracy created to seduce you into giving the government all it needs to control your every movement.

    Fear really is the mind-killer.
    I see you are incapable of any independent thought or research. I've made no claims about a diabolical Jewishy conspiracy. I'll link the full article and bold the key parts to help your small brain.

    I will invest in startups, established companies, social-impact initiatives and businesses founded by migrants and refugees themselves.
    Although my main concern is to help migrants and refugees arriving in Europe, I will be looking for good investment ideas that will benefit migrants all over the world.

    This commitment of investment equity will complement the philanthropic contributions my foundations have made to address forced migration, a problem we have been working on globally for decades and to which we have dedicated significant financial resources.
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  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    Lol. Intellectually honest. You're trying to tell me a site started so Gay Frogs can fool stupid people into buying fake vitamins is intellectually honest?

    What a joke.
    LOL.. that has to be the most ignorant comment I have seen in a while and the joke is on you. Look up 'atrazine,' but that has been pointed out to you in other threads, you have deliberately ignored the information and continue to mock Jones for bringing awareness to people about the Atrazine.

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  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    ...In this case, they take the Judicial Watch docs of funneling taxpayer money to "charities" that Soros also funds, and then they make the leap to tie it to this particular caravan. But those ties become less and less clear at each step.

    As usual, the truth is somewhere in between. The "caravan" probably started organically, but as word spread, the media took notice and spread the word even faster. Charities sympathetic to their plight jumped in to help support them. And yes, Soros donates to some of those charities.
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  26. #23
    Funding migrants or not it doesn't change the fact that Soros is a scumbag.
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  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    How the lie and conspiracy that Soros and the caravan is connected come to be, grew, and became a full fledged conspiracy, one which has easily manipulated and deceived even many on this site.



    It is fascinating how such an obvious lie has manipulated so many here. They are right, there is a conspiracy. But the conspiracy is not for Soros or "the liberals" or "the Jews" to bring these people here. Rather it is a conspiracy by those in power to manipulate the ignorance and fear of the masses to win from them submission and obedience to the State and its elite managers. Those who claim to be awake to the conspiracy are ironically those most fooled by a conspiracy to gain their obedience.
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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by kpitcher View Post
    Cui bono?

    Does thousands of migrants showing up at the border around midterm elections get more republicans or democrats voting? Unless it's an obvious democrat boost then I don't buy any dem funding it. Seems like this should definitely get the wall builders to show up.
    The left thinks the crying kids are good PR for them.
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  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Correlation and causation are blurred. But yeah. There's a myth promoted on the right that Soros is directing the caravans. There's a similar myth on the left that it's all organic. But it's neither. And it's both. The point is that this issue is a government vs. you issue, not a left vs. right issue. But if you want to let the government/media to use it as a wedge issue, then fall for this game.
    You are right, the migrants will cause government to grow, that makes it a government vs. you issue.
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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    I don't follow. The OP says it is a lie to say that George Soros funds the caravan. And what you are saying is that George Soros funds charities, and the charities fund the caravans. Therefore George Soros funds the caravans is a true statement. Seems crystal clear to me.
    We are supposed to believe that Soros has no control or influence with those charities and had no idea what they would use the money for, I have some oceanfront property in AZ to sell you if you do believe that.
    Last edited by Swordsmyth; 11-02-2018 at 08:20 PM.
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  32. #28
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  33. #29
    Is it not possible that it is both Soros having a hand in this, as well as government controllers pushing for obedience towards government? Why are both of these two possibilities mutually exclusive? Should we not be fighting both of these entities?

  34. #30
    I’ve tried to look at the document from Judicial Watch’s page (from the link in the Infowars piece...), but it wouldn’t download: https://www.judicialwatch.org/docume...albania-01012/

    I don’t even see that the claims in the Infowars article are confirmed by Judicial Watch...
    I’ve found the full document that supposedly proves these claims, but I don’t see anything else than that USAID was discussing with NGOs. It would be interesting to see an intelligent story on USAID, but it appears that Infowars and Judicial Watch are more interested in spreading disonformation than exposing the truth…

    Following is a direct link to the Judicial Watch document. Most of it are tables that are almost impossible to read (even blowing up the size to 200%): http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-cont...cs-01012-1.pdf

    USAID has been involved in financing all kinds of criminal activity...
    For example Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort, his long-time adviser Roger Stone, and current NSA John Bolton in Kyrgyzstan: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6608083

    Couldn’t Judicial Watch and Infowars look at the continuation of the Trump administration of stealing children from their parents and turning migrant children over to child traffickers and sex abusers by the DHS and CPS instead: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ld-traffickers
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