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    We need a Constitutional amendment to ban plurality voting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Thoughts?
    What do you mean by "plurality voting"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    What do you mean by "plurality voting"?
    In an election with more than 2 candidates a candidate who receives a mere plurality of votes can win, this is a potent barrier to 3rd parties since they can be accused of "spoiling" the election for the major party that is closest to them philosophically.
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    It was a failure from the beginning to not specify that elected officials must have a majority (50%+1). Have a run-off when there is no winner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    It was a failure from the beginning to not specify that elected officials must have a majority (50%+1). Have a run-off when there is no winner.
    Or a deliberate sabotage.
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    I'd totally support this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Or a deliberate sabotage.
    That's how the system is supposed to work.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan View Post
    Next time you talk to Rand maybe you could suggest that he propose an amendment.
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    This will actually be good for diversity. Who would oppose that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    In an election with more than 2 candidates a candidate who receives a mere plurality of votes can win, this is a potent barrier to 3rd parties since they can be accused of "spoiling" the election for the major party that is closest to them philosophically.

    Ah, OK... that sense. Got it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    It was a failure from the beginning to not specify that elected officials must have a majority (50%+1). Have a run-off when there is no winner.
    There are many failures in the Constitution, as well as the rules and procedures that devolved from the general specifications in that document.
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    We need, then people would vote for third parties and not "waste" their vote.

    Instant-runoff voting (IRV) is a voting method used in single-seat elections with more than two candidates. Instead of voting only for a single candidate, voters in IRV elections can rank the candidates in order of preference. Ballots are initially counted for each elector's top choice, losing candidates are eliminated, and ballots for losing candidates are redistributed until one candidate is the top remaining choice of a majority of the voters. When the field is reduced to two, it has become an "instant runoff" that allows a comparison of the top two candidates head-to-head.
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    Thoughts to ponder:

    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    Anyone with brains should have known that line of thinking is bull, and in the end this system will only increase Leftist control. Ranked voting helps the statist with the highest name recognition/fundraising ability.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    How so?
    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    People only vote for candidates they know. Normally a third party liberty candidate could potentially win with 34%. In ranked choice voting they need 50% + 1. It should be pretty obvious.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    But without ranked choice voting they never get more than 10% or so because most people view them as a "wasted vote" that makes it more likely for the party they hate the most to win.

    With ranked choice voting you can vote 3rd party secure in the knowledge that your vote will go to the "lesser of two evils" if your preferred candidate isn't in the top 2.
    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    So? Unless you really believe 51% of voters secretly want Ron Paul etc, despite 100 years of actual voter history it doesn't matter. You are increasing the threshold for liberty candidates to win. That's plain stupid.


    In practice this means that Lindsey Graham and John Cornyn won't even need to pretend to be conservative at all, since they are guaranteed to have your vote when the last ballot is counted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    One thought though:

    If Graham and Cornyn become overly confident of getting people's votes due to ranked choice voting won't that make them expose themselves sufficiently to get more people to vote 3rd party?
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Or a deliberate sabotage.

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