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    [Edit] Leftist “Bend The Arc” Group Demands Trump to Denounce 'White Nationalism'

    Blah blah blah. We know your game. You conflate white nationalism with American sovereignty every time you get the chance. They throw around the token words 'compassion' and 'democracy' when they want us to die and surrender to the corporate-globalist alliance.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...le-killed.html

    Trump is accused by the group of ‘deliberately undermin[ing] the safety of people of color, Muslims, LGBTQ people, and people with disabilities.

    ‘Yesterday’s massacre is not the first act of terror you incited against a minority group in our country,’ the letter read.

    ‘President Trump, you are not welcome in Pittsburgh until you stop targeting and endangering all minorities.’
    The Torah teaches that every human being is made b’tzelem Elohim, in the image of God,’ the letter reads.

    ‘This means all of us.’

    ‘President Trump, you are not welcome in Pittsburgh until you commit yourself to compassionate, democratic policies that recognize the dignity of all of us.’

    Trump and the Republican Party have been accused of spreading anti-Semitic conspiracy theories which blame Hungarian-born financier George Soros for the migrant caravan currently making its way through Mexico.
    Last edited by AuH20; 10-29-2018 at 07:53 AM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Blah blah blah. We know your game. You conflate...
    Who the hell are you talking to?

    Seriously, dude. Here you are muttering this stuff, and you can't even begin one proper sentence with one proper noun. Are you screeching at Jews? Pittsburgh community groups? The Daily Mail?

    Who do you figure is trying to tie the legitimacy of U.S. sovereignty to the Klan? Inquiring minds (and psychology students looking for thesis subjects) want to know.
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    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    That isn't the "Jewish Pittsburgh Community". OP title is a bunch of misleading BS.

    It is a particular progressive group of Jews called "Bend the Arc".

    Talk about "conflating" the views of a small group to a larger group. Sheesh. The irony is thick in the OP.
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    Trump should play this smooth. Denounce white nationalism, unequivocally, but go on to praise and bolster American nationalism. Emphasize the non-racial nature of American identity and how there should be no hyphenated Americans. If he gets specific like that, there will be no way to oppose what he says without blatantly coming out against American sovereignty and identity, whatever the form.
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    Poll: Overwhelming amount of Orthodox Jews support Trump

    A poll by US-based haredi magazine finds more than 90% of observant Jews support current president.
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/250068
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    Trump should play this smooth. Denounce white nationalism, unequivocally, but go on to praise and bolster American nationalism. Emphasize the non-racial nature of American identity and how there should be no hyphenated Americans. If he gets specific like that, there will be no way to oppose what he says without blatantly coming out against American sovereignty and identity, whatever the form.
    I would rather he not denounce it and explain it as American nationalism while emphasizing that the non-racial nature of American identity.

    You can't give them that inch by denouncing "white nationalism" since it is one step incrementally closer to demonizing nationalism. They do everything in increments. The trick is to go as far right as possible even if that is not your intention. That is how they play it, they go as far left as possible to move the overton window to the left.

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    "The Torah teaches that every human being is made b’tzelem Elohim, in the image of God,’ the letter reads.

    ‘This means all of us.’"

    EXCEPT THE GOY, FK THEM
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    You can't give them that inch by denouncing "white nationalism" since it is one step incrementally closer to demonizing nationalism.
    Really? And I suppose all those warnings about toadstools is a conspiracy to deprive us all of mushrooms?

    Sure has been going on a long time, that incremental toadstool conspiracy...

    I think white nationalism can be denounced without denouncing nationalism in general. Radiation can be denounced without denouncing electricity.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 10-29-2018 at 09:21 AM.
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    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.



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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    That isn't the "Jewish Pittsburgh Community". OP title is a bunch of misleading BS.

    It is a particular progressive group of Jews called "Bend the Arc".

    Talk about "conflating" the views of a small group to a larger group. Sheesh. The irony is thick in the OP.
    I will say, that if this was a set up it's ingenious. Instead of having Progressives as the only ones denouncing the Trump administration, start pulling the heart strings and use Conservative Zionist Christians to put a big wedge in the divide.
    The wisdom of Swordy:

    On bringing the troops home
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.

    On fighting corruption:
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump had to donate the "right way" and hang out with the "right people" in order to do business in NYC and Hollyweird and in order to investigate and expose them.
    Fascism Defined

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    Trump should play this smooth. Denounce white nationalism, unequivocally, but go on to praise and bolster American nationalism. Emphasize the non-racial nature of American identity and how there should be no hyphenated Americans. If he gets specific like that, there will be no way to oppose what he says without blatantly coming out against American sovereignty and identity, whatever the form.
    I agree.

    I also agree that groups like La Raza ("the race"), Black Lives Matter, Black congressional caucus, Hispanic congressional caucus, AIPAC, ADL, NAACP, and on and on and on, should be denounced.

    Enough of this bull$#@!.

    Fact is, these groups do nothing but spout racist propaganda and nothing is said about it. But, the media has all but made white Americans cowed and guilt-ridden for NOTHING.
    Last edited by LibertyEagle; 10-29-2018 at 09:26 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    That isn't the "Jewish Pittsburgh Community". OP title is a bunch of misleading BS.

    It is a particular progressive group of Jews called "Bend the Arc".

    Talk about "conflating" the views of a small group to a larger group. Sheesh. The irony is thick in the OP.
    Fair enough. Has particular progressive group ever denounced Jewish Nationalism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    ...AIPAC, ADL, NAACP, and on and on and on, should be denounced.
    By whom? You have in mind a particular politician who you figure is stupid enough has balls enough to do it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    That isn't the "Jewish Pittsburgh Community". OP title is a bunch of misleading BS.

    It is a particular progressive group of Jews called "Bend the Arc".

    Talk about "conflating" the views of a small group to a larger group. Sheesh. The irony is thick in the OP.
    About what I would expect from The Daily Fail.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 10-29-2018 at 09:46 AM.

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    a few years ago in jamacia, some guy said he worked for the nsa and I should buy a gun & some silver. he warned me that tptb were going to be targeting white Christian people. like it was our turn or something...maybe he was trolling my ron paul shirt. but if not, well
    live on your feet or die on your knees.
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The Daily Fail.
    Yep. Their headline was misleading enough:

    Jews in Pittsburgh say Trump is NOT WELCOME to visit the synagogue where 11 people were shot and killed by anti-Semite until President denounces white nationalism

    Then, the OP made it even more misleading:

    Jewish Pittsburgh Community Demands Trump to Denounce 'White Nationalism'

    But the article begins by more accurately stating what this is:
    A group of Jewish people in Pittsburgh have told President Donald Trump he is not welcome in the city until he has fully denounced white nationalism.

    The President told reporters on Saturday that he wants to visit the Tree of Life Synagogue where 11 members of the congregation were shot and killed.

    But a group of community leaders circulated an online petition on Sunday demanding that Trump ‘fully denounce white nationalism’ before making his visit.

    In a letter addressed to the President, the 12 Jews from the progressive group Bend the Arc accuse Trump of contributing to Saturday’s tragedy.
    Of course the media focuses attention on this because it fits their narrative. They love to gin up this division crap.

    Do you think if 12 RPFers wrote a letter, the media would write an article about it?? Maybe AuH2O would think that letter would apply to every libertarian-leaning person on this forum??
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    I agree.

    I also agree that groups like La Raza ("the race"), Black Lives Matter, Black congressional caucus, Hispanic congressional caucus, AIPAC, ADL, NAACP, and on and on and on, should be denounced.

    Enough of this bull$#@!.

    Fact is, these groups do nothing but spout racist propaganda and nothing is said about it. But, the media has all but made white Americans cowed and guilt-ridden for NOTHING.
    That would be a propaganda win if he did. But if he is going to just denounce white nationalism alone, screw that.

    The left has won the propaganda narrative for years by playing this game. They will continue to win this game if the right virtue signals to them by denouncing white nationalism alone. Time to turn the tables and play the game against them.



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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Yep. Their headline was misleading enough:

    Jews in Pittsburgh say Trump is NOT WELCOME to visit the synagogue where 11 people were shot and killed by anti-Semite until President denounces white nationalism

    Then, the OP made it even more misleading:

    Jewish Pittsburgh Community Demands Trump to Denounce 'White Nationalism'

    But the article begins by more accurately stating what this is:


    Of course the media focuses attention on this because it fits their narrative. They love to gin up this division crap.

    Do you think if 12 RPFers wrote a letter, the media would write an article about it?? Maybe AuH2O would think that letter would apply to every libertarian-leaning person on this forum??
    Oh sheesh. Enough of the pile on. Why is it that RPFs loves to do this? It's like a bully complex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Oh sheesh. Enough of the pile on. Why is it that RPFs loves to do this? It's like a bully complex.
    Because there's enough straw men made by the media, enough people stirring people up to be angry at people they can't identify and people who did them no harm, there's enough in the way of fuzzy facts and fuzzy thinking in the mainstream, without people in this place suffering those same fools gladly.

    There can be one place on the internet where the community demands people expressing anger define exactly who they're mad at and exactly why. The internet can have such a thing. It is not unconstitutional.

    People having the mental discipline to figure out who their real enemies are might not fit your agenda. That, of course, is fine. It doesn't fit the agenda of politicians, media moguls, the CIA, the arms merchants or the communists, either. You've invited me to leave this place repeatedly. I won't do the same to you. But I will invite you to get yourself accustomed to people in this place refusing to hate on unidentified people for unspecified reasons, and get yourself accustomed to people who sniff before they bite so they know if it's peanut butter they're being fed.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 10-29-2018 at 10:22 AM.
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    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Because there's enough straw men made by the media, enough people stirring people up to be angry at people they can't identify and people who did them no harm, there's enough in the way of fuzzy facts and fuzzy thinking in the mainstream, without people in this place suffering those same fools gladly.

    There can be one place on the internet where the community demands people expressing anger define exactly who they're mad at and exactly why. The internet can have such a thing. It is not unconstitutional.
    Then try reasoning with him ONCE, nicely, how about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Yep. Their headline was misleading enough:

    Jews in Pittsburgh say Trump is NOT WELCOME to visit the synagogue where 11 people were shot and killed by anti-Semite until President denounces white nationalism

    Then, the OP made it even more misleading:

    Jewish Pittsburgh Community Demands Trump to Denounce 'White Nationalism'

    But the article begins by more accurately stating what this is:


    Of course the media focuses attention on this because it fits their narrative. They love to gin up this division crap.

    Do you think if 12 RPFers wrote a letter, the media would write an article about it?? Maybe AuH2O would think that letter would apply to every libertarian-leaning person on this forum??
    LOL at 12 progs.

    Most of the anti-semitism I see these days is coming from the political left.

    Especially in Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    LOL at 12 progs.

    Most of the anti-semitism I see these days is coming from the political left.

    Especially in Europe.
    Visit stormfront.com and you will see real antisemitism coming from the right there. Please can u give example or links to these antisemitism by the far left. One last thing, criticism of Israel is not always because of antisemitism. There are actually legitimate reasons to oppose Israel not rooted in antisemitism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Visit stormfront.com and you will see real antisemitism coming from the right there. Please can u give example or links to these antisemitism by the far left. One last thing, criticism of Israel is not always because of antisemitism. There are actually legitimate reasons to oppose Israel not rooted in antisemitism.
    I've never been to stormfront, but I'm pretty sure a lot of the people there are

    A. Feds

    B. On the left
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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    I would rather he not denounce it and explain it as American nationalism while emphasizing that the non-racial nature of American identity.

    You can't give them that inch by denouncing "white nationalism" since it is one step incrementally closer to demonizing nationalism. They do everything in increments. The trick is to go as far right as possible even if that is not your intention. That is how they play it, they go as far left as possible to move the overton window to the left.
    White nationalism and the alt-right is a purely toxic brand. Charlottesville made it go nuclear and Pittsburgh made it much worse. Nothing is gained by dancing around condemning WNs.

    Trump should say something like this:

    "I renounce white nationalism, but I always have. It's the fake news media that pretends I have anything in common with these losers. What is terrific and I'm in favor of is American nationalism. American nationalism is incredible because it doesn't matter what color you are or what religion you are."
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Then try reasoning with him ONCE, nicely, how about?
    Who? The OP?

    How? He drops his dog whistle threads all over the forum, then goes looking for more. He doesn't change behavior, he doesn't answer questions, he doesn't acknowledge concerns, he doesn't admit the views he spams are far from a majority view here, he just ignores everyone and goes looking for some other headline of no interest to any actual libertarian to clutter the forum with.

    How does one engage with that?
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    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I've never been to stormfront, but I'm pretty sure a lot of the people there are

    A. Feds

    B. On the left
    I have been visiting stormfront for years now and I wouldn't be surprised if some of the people there are feds, also a lot of them believe in a socialist economic system but they still mostly vote republican and in the American context are right wingers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Visit stormfront.com and you will see real antisemitism coming from the right there. Please can u give example or links to these antisemitism by the far left. One last thing, criticism of Israel is not always because of antisemitism. There are actually legitimate reasons to oppose Israel not rooted in antisemitism.
    How does one go about visiting "Stormfront.com?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    How does one go about visiting "Stormfront.com?"
    Forgot the censors already took it down. Thanks for the heads up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    White nationalism and the alt-right is a purely toxic brand. Charlottesville made it go nuclear and Pittsburgh made it much worse. Nothing is gained by dancing around condemning WNs.

    Trump should say something like this:

    "I renounce white nationalism, but I always have. It's the fake news media that pretends I have anything in common with these losers. What is terrific and I'm in favor of is American nationalism. American nationalism is incredible because it doesn't matter what color you are or what religion you are."
    Then give it a few months and they will be demanding you renounce nationalism. After you denounce nationalism then give it a year and they will demand you denounce Conservatism, another year then Libertarian beliefs. You see how this works with them. This is why they moved to the extreme far left since they know the right is completely spineless and will cave to the middle each time.

    They have won the propaganda narrative for the last 100 years because the Republicans, Conservatives, Libertarians, etc, have no spine and always play their game like fools. They tell the right what to say and how to behave and they do so just like a trained dog. They never learn.
    Last edited by kahless; 10-29-2018 at 10:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Then give it a few months and they will be demanding you renounce nationalism. After you denounce nationalism then give it a year and they will demand you denounce Conservatism, another year then Libertarian beliefs. You see how this works with them. This is why they moved to the extreme far left since they know the right is completely spineless and will cave to the middle each time.
    No, it's not the same. WNs, alt-right, Richard Spencer, etc are all toxic brands that will drag down anyone associated with them. The same is not true for American nationalism. American nationalism is supported by lots of people, including many Democrats; white nationalism is supported by a tiny cadre of internet edgelords with no skin in the game. The press might demand for people to denounce American nationalism, but that hurts the press. The more separate coastal cultural institutions are from the average citizen, the more their influence wanes. Let them demand a renunciation of Americanism in all its forms. They won't win that one.

    They have won the propaganda narrative for the last 100 years because the Republicans, Conservatives, Libertarians, etc, have no spine and always play their game like fools. They tell the right what to say and how to behave and they do so just like a trained dog. They never learn.
    That's true, but this wouldn't be that. This would be shedding a toxic brand in one sentence, then more fully embracing a robust and popular brand in the next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    "I renounce white nationalism, but I always have.
    I hope you meant DEnounce rather than REnounce.
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