Why caravan migrants wave Honduran flags and burn tires in front of U.S. embassy

[Anti Federalist]

Why caravan migrants wave Honduran flags and burn tires in front of U.S. embassy

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...us_border.html

By Monica Showalter

Waving the flag of the country they're desperate not to be sent back to, and burning tires in front of the Tegucigalpa-located embassy of the nation they're supposedly desperate to live in, the Honduras caravan migrants, their organizers and their supporters don't exactly come off as big fans of the United States.

Here's how the Daily Mail captioned one of its photos, seen here:

In Tegucigalpa, Honduras protesters burn tires at the US embassy during a march in support of the caravan of migrants on Friday. Hundreds of people marched to express their solidarity with the caravan of migrants trying to reach the United States

And as it happened, it was led by the Guatemala-arrested-and-deported organizer of the caravan, the far-left Honduran politician and supporter of Hugo Chavez and Mel "cowboy hat" Zelaya, Bartolo Fuentes.

Nor does the caravan come across as entirely free of thugs intent on harming others.

According to the Daily Mail:

Late Friday night, Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto said in an address to the nation that a large group of migrants had 'tried to enter Mexican territory irregularly, attacking and even hurting some elements of the Federal Police.'

'Mexico does not permit and will not permit entry into its territory in an irregular fashion, much less in a violent fashion,' he said.

The Mail also has some vivid pictures of Honduran-flag waving would-be migrants burning flags in front of the U.S. embassy in Tegucigalpa.

It makes these caravaners rather different in kind from past immigrants to the U.S., the people who'd kiss the ground upon their arrival and who would write paeans to the golden door and the shining city on the hill.

Not these guys.

The caravan is exposing the ugly underbelly of what it's really about -- an invasion of sorts, a conquest, a bid to lay gringo low - rather than a legitimate interest in legally immigrating and assimilating into the American melting pot. The only thing such anti-American haters could possibly want in demanding to be let in, legally or not, seems to be benefits, courtesy of the U.S. taxpayer, and to stick it into law-abiding America's faces that they're the ones who determine what the law is, not the Americans they hate. For the criminal population among them, there's also the bigger mayhem opportunities.

The Associated Press reports that the group has gotten into Mexico and has since swelled to 5,000. Al Jazeera reports that "All of Honduras wants to come here."

Obviously, the caravan and its organizing leaders are intending to be a test case for President Trump, with a the defiant message that they'll cross the U.S. border any time they like, immigration laws be damned. They're hoping to demonstrate such a reality with huge masses of people, who will ultimately be daring the U.S. military or border guards to fire on them, the better for their leaders to cynically claim a propaganda victory over some migrant's dead body and to ensure that as the U.S. wraps itself in pretzels over its dreaded crimes against unarmed civilians should one of them be fired upon. They know they have allies - we can count on the pope, for one, making a rare condemnation of America in such a scenario, (don't worry, he'll keep ignoring Middle Eastern Christians, shortchanging Ukrainian Uniates, and betraying Chinese Catholics, as well as pretending the pervert priest crisis in the West is a matter of collective guilt, not a particular protection racket), and the congressional Democrats, too. After a brouhaha is established and the media acts as their propaganda handmaid, the border will be free.

Because they know that Trump was stopped dead in his tracks when he tried to separate families at the border to disincentivize illegal border busting, and the crying toddler photos flowed in the press. The cynical organizers of this are doing a repeat of that with the caravan, full as it is with military-aged young men, and a few toddlers strategically placed out front, knowing they can beat Trump with such a propaganda weapon, and the large numbers as well.

So it makes perfect sense to burn tires and wave Honduran flags at the embassy of the nation they claim a "right" to live in, yet certainly do not like or even love. Nope, it's all about power here, and Trump has got his hands full.

[Swordsmyth]

Sooner or later the west will either embrace the savagery that supports civilization or it will lose civilization entirely.

[CCTelander]

Sooner or later the west will either embrace the savagery that supports civilization or it will lose civilization entirely.

You seem confused. Civilization and savagery are diametrically opposed concepts. I suggest a course in remedial logic.

[r3volution 3.0]

Sooner or later the west will either embrace the savagery that supports civilization or it will lose civilization entirely.

It's already done both.

The West is now merely a geographical expression.

[nobody's_hero]

It's already done both.

The West is now merely a geographical expression.

In other words, America was never great.

[Swordsmyth]

You seem confused. Civilization and savagery are diametrically opposed concepts. I suggest a course in remedial logic.

You are confused, civilization is built on top of savagery, savagery was required to tame savagery, if we lose contact with our savage side we will lose the foundation we have built civilization on top of.

[Swordsmyth]

It's already done both.

The West is now merely a geographical expression.

Nothing you said is true.

[r3volution 3.0]

In other words, America was never great.

European civilization, The West, was doomed a very long time ago.

It died in London 1649, or Paris 1793, or Yekaterinburg 1918.

Everything beautiful was destroyed.

The United States represents an unsuccessful escape from Europe.

...unsuccessful.

[Anti Federalist]

It's already done both.

The West is now merely a geographical expression.

I think there are still a few gems left in the ashes worth defending such as: a government only has one reason to exist and that is to protect individual rights.

Maybe I'm just being naive, but I find myself drawn to trying to defend the west, even as the entire world seeks to destroy it and what it stands for.

[r3volution 3.0]

I think there are still a few gems left in the ashes worth defending such as: a government only has one reason to exist and that is to protect individual rights.

That still exists?

Which party promotes that?

The Libertarians, who get <1% every election, gluttons for punishment that they are.

Maybe I'm just being naive, but I find myself drawn to trying to defend the west, even as the entire world seeks to destroy it and what it stands for.

It doesn't stand for anything.

It once did.

[Swordsmyth]

That still exists?

Which party promotes that?

The Libertarians, who get <1% every election, gluttons for punishment that they are.



It doesn't stand for anything.

It once did.

It still stands for it more than anywhere else, grey isn't white but it isn't black either.

[r3volution 3.0]

It still stands for it more than anywhere else, grey isn't white but it isn't black either.

No, it actually means nothing.

Everywhere in Europe and also on this continent all politics are dominated by socialists of various kinds.

Both parties here, and all parties in Europe with any chance of governing are socialist parties.

[Anti Federalist]

That still exists?

Which party promotes that?

The Libertarians, who get <1% every election, gluttons for punishment that they are.

It doesn't stand for anything.

It once did.

After getting a good look at what the opposition has planned for us, I'm willing to pick up the flag and move in to fill the gap in the lines.

You may do as you wish.

[RJB]

No, it actually means nothing.

Everywhere in Europe and also on this continent all politics are dominated by socialists of various kinds.

Both parties here, and all parties in Europe with any chance of governing are socialist parties.

So what? I don't care for socialism, but people in Europe seem happy with their way of life. Most people work and use the safety net as needed. Why do they need to let in a flood of people who wish to take advantage of their system and turn Europe into a third world hellhole?

[Swordsmyth]

No, it actually means nothing.

Everywhere in Europe and also on this continent all politics are dominated by socialists of various kinds.

Both parties here, and all parties in Europe with any chance of governing are socialist parties.

Again you demonstrate that you either can't distinguish grey from black or that you have ulterior motives.

[Anti Federalist]

So what? I don't care for socialism, but people in Europe seem happy with their way of life. Most people work and use the safety net as needed. Why do they need to let in a flood of people who wish to take advantage of their system and turn Europe into a third world hellhole?

Diversity.

[RJB]

Diversity.

That's not the reason. That's the cover for turning my country into a third world hellhole.

[Pauls' Revere]

So what? I don't care for socialism, but people in Europe seem happy with their way of life. Most people work and use the safety net as needed. Why do they need to let in a flood of people who wish to take advantage of their system and turn Europe into a third world hellhole?

In the case of Germany, perhaps its a guilty hangover from the atrocities of WW2? This way they clear their conscious and affirm their place on the World Stage.

[Danke]

In other words, America was never great.

[r3volution 3.0]

So what? I don't care for socialism, but people in Europe seem happy with their way of life. Most people work and use the safety net as needed. Why do they need to let in a flood of people who wish to take advantage of their system and turn Europe into a third world hellhole?

Spending more than you produce isn't sustainable.

The non-German peoples of Europe will sooner or later have to pay their own way.

....the whole thing is rather perverse, considering what happened at the end of the last war.

Every city in Germany was firebombed.

And yet, somehow, the Germans have to finance the reconstruction of the idiot communists of Italy.

And now Salvini has to be treated as a person..

[Anti Federalist]

That's not the reason. That's the cover for turning my country into a third world hellhole.

Precisely...but don't you feel more culturally enriched and less guilty?

The only reason you don't drink out of an open sewer is because of your privilege.

[r3volution 3.0]

I might add., if the traitorous Italians had honored their alliance with Germany and Austria in 1914, the world would be quite different.

There would have been no Mussolini and, much more importantly, there would have been no Lenin or Hitler.

Germany would have won the first war world in 1914, and there would have been no second war, or any of the rest of it.

Italians can't be trusted to make anything but pasta.

[nobody's_hero]

No, it actually means nothing.

Everywhere in Europe and also on this continent all politics are dominated by socialists of various kinds.

Both parties here, and all parties in Europe with any chance of governing are socialist parties.

I'm still trying to figure out where "$#@! it, throw open the gates" factors into this. If someone comes to your house and robs you while you're away, you just say, "damn it, I'll just leave my door unlocked from now on if that's the way it's gonna be. it's no use!"

[DamianTV]

That's not the reason. That's the cover for turning my country into a third world hellhole.

Agreed. Many come here, not because they seek a better life, but because they (probably rightfully) blame the US for wrecking their lives in their home countries.

Notice the TIMING of this all also. I would NOT be one bit surprised if the $#@! happening in Honduras right now was purposefully enabled by the Status Quo, with Arms Deals, and enabling the criminals to disrupt their country, drive migrants our way, then theres a major point for Democrats to beat everyone over the head with.

Election Distraction.

[RJB]

I'm still trying to figure out where "$#@! it, throw open the gates" factors into this. If someone comes to your house and robs you while you're away, you just say, "damn it, I'll just leave my door unlocked from now on if that's the way it's gonna be. it's no use!"

It's odd when you think of it. People like me who are picky about immigration are mislabeled as haters, but when you get right down to it with some open border types, they really have a pathological hatred towards European people and societies to the point where they want to burn it all down. I am not the biggest fan of modern society, but I would rather my children be raised in a London, Paris, or Vienna vs a Haiti.

[Anti Federalist]

It's odd when you think of it. People like me who are picky about immigration are mislabeled as haters, but when you get right down to it with some open border types, they really have a pathological hatred towards European people and societies to the point where they want to burn it all down. I am not the biggest fan of modern society, but I would rather my children be raised in a London, Paris, or Vienna vs a Haiti.

They have been indoctrinated, since they were old enough to understand, that their person, their culture and what their grandfathers built was evil, and all needs to be wiped out.

[Anti Federalist]

Oh, si si , we luvvv Ameriga...

[RJB]

Oh, si si , we luvvv Ameriga...

In the past it was a burning cross on a black man's property. Is this what Americans can expect on our front lawns in the future?

[CaptUSA]

Maybe I'm just being naive, but I find myself drawn to trying to defend the west, even as the entire world seeks to destroy it and what it stands for.

I would argue that many in third world countries probably feel the same way about "the West". Could this be yet another sign that our foreign "interventions" are blowing back? It seems a little disingenuous to pick up in the middle of the story. Not saying that you're doing this, but many in the xenophobic right seem to be missing that point. Our drug war and the endless chain of puppet regimes is causing chaos all over. It's natural for people to respond to that. People will always respond to incentives.

Personally, I'd like legal immigration to be much easier, but I also want the welfare state to end and the drug war and foreign interventions to stop. If we did those things, I doubt immigration would even be a problem any more. But that's not where we're at right now. So what do we do? Our government has caused all sorts of problems and now they'll want more government force to "solve" them??

We're not going to solve them with any show of force. Unfortunately, this display needs to be dispersed. So we've got a nice little catch 22 that the government can use as a political wedge issue and we'll NEVER get to the root of the problem. In the past, governments used to put heads on stakes at the borders to warn potential invaders. I wonder if we could use our own politicians' heads or if that would only embolden the invaders??

[Ender]

I would argue that many in third world countries probably feel the same way about "the West". Could this be yet another sign that our foreign "interventions" are blowing back? It seems a little disingenuous to pick up in the middle of the story. Not saying that you're doing this, but many in the xenophobic right seem to be missing that point. Our drug war and the endless chain of puppet regimes is causing chaos all over. It's natural for people to respond to that. People will always respond to incentives.

Personally, I'd like legal immigration to be much easier, but I also want the welfare state to end and the drug war and foreign interventions to stop. If we did those things, I doubt immigration would even be a problem any more. But that's not where we're at right now. So what do we do? Our government has caused all sorts of problems and now they'll want more government force to "solve" them??

We're not going to solve them with any show of force. Unfortunately, this display needs to be dispersed. So we've got a nice little catch 22 that the government can use as a political wedge issue and we'll NEVER get to the root of the problem. In the past, governments used to put heads on stakes at the borders to warn potential invaders. I wonder if we could use our own politicians' heads or if that would only embolden the invaders??

Exactly.

And the whole immigrant "invasion" of Europe is an alphabet operation- all part of the grand scheme.

Here's a very interesting article from 2015 on that very subject.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/09/...ation-madness/