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    You can't expect all of your allies to be right on every issue, I never thought of him as a close ally because I didn't know enough about him and this doesn't therefore change my opinion of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You can't expect all of your allies to be right on every issue, I never thought of him as a close ally because I didn't know enough about him and this doesn't therefore change my opinion of him.

    A revolution needs a big tent so it would be unwise to make an enemy of every one who disagrees with us on a few topics.
    It isn't the specific issue that's the problem, it's the underlying philosophy. You either believe in liberty and personal responsibility or you don't. You can't argue for some liberties and argue against others and retain credibility.



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    Tucker did a no-no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    It isn't the specific issue that's the problem, it's the underlying philosophy. You either believe in liberty and personal responsibility or you don't. You can't argue for some liberties and argue against others and retain credibility.
    But you can be an ally if you want to reduce government, at some point people like Tucker won't want to reduce government any more and we will and then he won't be an ally anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    It isn't the specific issue that's the problem, it's the underlying philosophy. You either believe in liberty and personal responsibility or you don't. You can't argue for some liberties and argue against others and retain credibility.
    ....but pretty sure somebody posted a quote that he was against prohibition
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    Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
    What happened to Tucker? He sounds like a nutjob in this video and seems to have abandoned his libertarian principles.

    Capitalism is where the rights of the individual trump the needs of the state.

    Socialism is where the needs of the state trump individual rights.

    Marijuana laws are a textbook example of socialism. The state's "need" trumps your individual right to ingest what you want.

    I have a little legal beer buzz right now so hopefully that made sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You can't expect all of your allies to be right on every issue, I never thought of him as a close ally because I didn't know enough about him and this doesn't therefore change my opinion of him.

    A revolution needs a big tent so it would be unwise to make an enemy of every one who disagrees with us on a few topics.
    In 2007 just as dr.paul was starting to pick up some steam, tucker shows up in a limo at a Paul rally in NV along with a pimp and some hookers. Starts proudly prancing them in front of the media, "hookers for Ron paul". Or some $#@!. $#@! tucker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    In 2007 just as dr.paul was starting to pick up some steam, tucker shows up in a limo at a Paul rally in NV along with a pimp and some hookers. Starts proudly prancing them in front of the media, "hookers for Ron paul". Or some $#@!. $#@! tucker.
    I wasn't aware of that but as long as he isn't attacking us now and he does promote some good things then he isn't a priority target and can be treated as an untrustworthy ally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    In 2007 just as dr.paul was starting to pick up some steam, tucker shows up in a limo at a Paul rally in NV along with a pimp and some hookers. Starts proudly prancing them in front of the media, "hookers for Ron paul". Or some $#@!. $#@! tucker.
    Ya that was messed up.. he did end up going to Ron Paul's opposing Republican convention in 2012, but he left when Jesse Ventura brought up 9/11 truth in his speech and made a big fuss about it.

    He's still one of the best ones on Fox News and has been doing some pretty good work overall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Tucker's in it for the money.
    ding ding ding

    However, there is a difference between him and the average illiterate TV show host; he knows what he's doing is wrong.

    He gets a special, lower, circle in hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Have you taken Soma the muscle relaxant?

    It's been almost 20 years since I tried it, but it's pretty powerful.
    Never tried it. I try to limit my drug intake to alcohol and lupulin. Just like Brett Kavanaugh.

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    ....but pretty sure somebody posted a quote that he was against prohibition
    He said in the segment in question that he is opposed to “prohibition”. Guess he is in some weird in-between state where nothing changes from today’s state. Often illegal, but often not enforced. He’s perpetually at a concert.
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    Ask why people are moving towards marijauna as opposed to the validity of it? That's the real question. Escapism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Ask why people are moving towards marijauna as opposed to the validity of it? That's the real question. Escapism.
    Why are people moving away from the non aggression principle? That's the real question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Bingo.

    He'll do and say what he's told to by the people that pay him.
    Nah. He's turned paleo. They don't look upon marijuana kindly and view it as a character defect. Yes, marijuana isn't all it's cracked up to be, but there are external factors driving up the usage. People are trying to escape the dreariness of reality and soothe their pain, which could be a detrimental outcome for the human race.

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    Me thinks Tucker needs to burn a fatty.

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    This goes right along with his immigration views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Nah. He's turned paleo. They don't look upon marijuana kindly and view it as a character defect. Yes, marijuana isn't all it's cracked up to be, but there are external factors driving up the usage. People are trying to escape the dreariness of reality and soothe their pain, which could be a detrimental outcome for the human race.
    Ya I disagree with all of this.. you might be right that some paleo folks might not be into cannabis, but that is because they are ignorant and don't understand human's relationship with the plant. But honestly I've never heard any paleo folks talk about cannabis, except to say that hemp seed is a decent thing to eat.

    Humans have been ingesting cannabis for millions of years and it is integral to our health and wellness. Our bodies have an endocannabindoid system that regulates many of our body's processes. We function much better when we are ingesting cannabis and it keeps us way more healthy.

    We have evolved to utilize this substance for medicine, food and building materials/fiber/ropes/clothing.

    High THC cannabis has its purposes - spiritual, medicinal and such - but there is a lot more to it than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Nah. He's turned paleo. They don't look upon marijuana kindly and view it as a character defect. Yes, marijuana isn't all it's cracked up to be, but there are external factors driving up the usage. People are trying to escape the dreariness of reality and soothe their pain, which could be a detrimental outcome for the human race.
    If I remember right both Pat Buchanan and Tom Tancredo were for legalizing marijuana, and that's going back several years to when that was a less mainstream position than it is now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Ya I disagree with all of this.. you might be right that some paleo folks might not be into cannabis, but that is because they are ignorant and don't understand human's relationship with the plant.

    Humans have been ingesting cannabis for millions of years and it is integral to our health and wellness. Our bodies have an endocannabindoid system that regulates many of our body's processes. We function much better when we are ingesting cannabis and it keeps us way more healthy.

    We have evolved to utilize this substance for medicine, food and building materials/fiber/ropes/clothing.

    High THC cannabis has its purposes - spiritual, medicinal and such - but there is a lot more to it than that.
    It still alters dopamine levels by catering to the pleasure center of the brain. I don't think it's more harmful than alcohol, but excessive use will cripple your well-being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    It's still alters dopamine levels by catering to the pleasure center of the brain. I don't think it's more harmful than alcohol, but excessive use will cripple your well-being.
    Um, ok, bananas increase dopamine....are you sure this is really a problem?

    I will admit that there are a few people out there who might use it excessively.. I don't think it causes any longterm damage to use in excess, but it can affect how people act in the short term.

    For many people cannabis is hugely motivational. For others, they may use it as a form of escape. But it is by far the safest substance to use for that purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Um, ok, bananas increase dopamine....are you sure this is really a problem?

    I will admit that there are a few people out there who might use it excessively.. I don't think it causes any longterm damage to use in excess, but it can affect how people act in the short term.

    For many people cannabis is hugely motivational. For others, they may use it as a form of escape. But it is by far the safest substance to use for that purpose.
    It's a major problem, since it can lead to depression. I don't think the person who smokes once or twice a week is at risk, but the binge smoker is. There is a zero sum game for psychoactive substances introduced into a closed system such as the human nervous system.



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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    It's a major problem, since it can lead to depression. I don't think the person who smokes once or twice a week is at risk, but the binge smoker is. There is a zero sum game for psychoactive substances introduced into a closed system such as the human nervous system.
    I've been smoking all day every day for almost 20 years.. no depression. In fact, I had problems with depression when I was younger, before I started. When I started, it helped ease the depression. Now it's gone. Smoking herb longterm does not cause depression. I don't think longterm use causes any health ailments.
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I've been smoking all day every day for almost 20 years.. no depression. In fact, I had problems with depression when I was younger, before I started. When I started, it helped ease the depression. Now it's gone. Smoking herb longterm does not cause depression. I don't think longterm use causes any health ailments.
    Millage may vary.
    Everyone's body is different, I have known some heavy users whose mental faculties were affected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Millage may vary.
    Everyone's body is different, I have known some heavy users whose mental faculties were affected.
    Just because you knew a couple crazy people who have smoked marijuana doesn't mean it makes you crazy. Occam's razor stops you from making irrational leaps of faith, if there was any scientific basis that it makes you crazy the Tobacco and Alcohol and drug war lobbyists would of funded it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Just because you knew a couple crazy people who have smoked marijuana doesn't mean it makes you crazy. Occam's razor stops you from making irrational leaps of faith, if there was any scientific basis that it makes you crazy the Tobacco and Alcohol and drug lobbyists would of funded it.
    Not crazy, dumb.
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