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Thread: Tucker Carlson: Marijuana legalization is a socialist conspiracy to dumb down America

  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Millage may vary.
    Everyone's body is different, I have known some heavy users whose mental faculties were affected.
    In studies of heavy users they have not shown that cannabis causes any significant decrease in IQ. In fact, it helps regenerate brain cells.

    I have a friend who got a 133 IQ score while he was high.. thing is, IMO he seems like a guy with an IQ in the mid to upper 120s, not low 130s. I don't even know how the hell he scored so high on that thing. I know I have at least a few IQ points on him, and I don't think I'm much higher than 133.

    There is a change that occurs in how you think about things, and sometimes that can translate into taking longer to think about something. But what I would question is whether the cannabis user is taking longer to think about something because they are processing more - their brain is wired to consider a larger variety of options and alternatives.

    I know I feel like the complexity of tasks I'm able to handle today is at least as great as before I started. I also believe that the way in which I think has improved vastly, in large part because of my cannabis usage.

    There are plenty of people out there who are extremely intelligent and who enjoy cannabis regularly or from time to time.
    Last edited by dannno; 01-03-2019 at 05:06 PM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Not crazy, dumb.
    Are you absolutely certain that cannabis was the only substance they were ingesting during this time? No heavy drinking or other drug use?
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  4. #63
    So when zippy said Ron Paul knows a lot of crazy people he was talking about you guys ?
    Do something Danke

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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    In studies of heavy users they have not shown that cannabis causes any significant decrease in IQ. In fact, it helps regenerate brain cells.

    I have a friend who got a 133 IQ score while he was high.. thing is, IMO he seems like a guy with an IQ in the mid to upper 120s, not low 130s. I don't even know how the hell he scored so high on that thing. I know I have at least a few IQ points on him, and I don't think I'm much higher than 133.

    There is a change that occurs in how you think about things, and sometimes that can translate into taking longer to think about something. But what I would question is whether the cannabis user is taking longer to think about something because they are processing more - their brain is wired to consider a larger variety of options and alternatives.

    I know I feel like the complexity of tasks I'm able to handle today is at least as great as before I started. I also believe that the way in which I think has improved vastly, in large part because of my cannabis usage.

    There are plenty of people out there who are extremely intelligent and who enjoy cannabis regularly or from time to time.
    I didn't say it had the same effect on everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Are you absolutely certain that cannabis was the only substance they were ingesting during this time? No heavy drinking or other drug use?
    I couldn't swear to it in court.

    I don't usually bother you users because it should be legal and I don't think that it is always harmful to everyone at any dosage but mind altering substances aren't always benign.

    If only it were legal and we could have proper scientific studies about the effects on various people at various dosages.............
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  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Motivated reasoning is for church not politics. You can't just bring up the reefer madness talking points of the last century.
    I'm not using motivated reasoning, I'm relaying my admittedly limited experience.

    If only it were legal and we could have proper scientific studies about the effects on various people at various dosages.............
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  9. #67
    Tucker appears to be even bigger libertarian than other foxnews libetarians like Glenn Beck, Orielly or Savage. Plus's he's often in agreement with Coulter.

  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Guess he is in some weird in-between state where nothing changes from todayís state. Often illegal, but often not enforced. Heís perpetually at a concert.
    SchrŲdinger's pothead?

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  12. #70
    love Tucker, but does he still believe this blsht , or has he finally woken up.

    I think Pot is a complete waste of time, but there should be no drug laws.

  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    love Tucker, but does he still believe this blsht , or has he finally woken up.

    I think Pot is a complete waste of time, but there should be no drug laws.
    Tucker has never said there should be drug laws, he just really doesn't think people should be using cannabis..and he thinks the movement to legalize cannabis is a bread and circus conspiracy.

    Me? I've known for almost 20 years that cannabis was safe, the government lied to us and that people would find out and it would be legal within a decade or two. The conspiracy was keeping such a useful plant illegal. Once the internet came out and people began educating themselves, there is nothing they can really do to hold it back. Cannabis legalization is very much a grass roots movement, it's not some elitist conspiracy.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  14. #72
    I agree with Tucker.

    NOT because I believe marijuana is bad.

    But because anything the elites *believe* is bad will be used against us, independent of harm.

    The intellekshuals will throw anything and everything at the wall of our destruction, certainly not because they expect it all to stick.

    All it takes is one.



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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Tucker has never said there should be drug laws, he just really doesn't think people should be using cannabis..and he thinks the movement to legalize cannabis is a bread and circus conspiracy.

    Me? I've known for almost 20 years that cannabis was safe, the government lied to us and that people would find out and it would be legal within a decade or two. The conspiracy was keeping such a useful plant illegal. Once the internet came out and people began educating themselves, there is nothing they can really do to hold it back. Cannabis legalization is very much a grass roots movement, it's not some elitist conspiracy.
    He doesn't appear to be the least bit interested in decriminalization.

  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    He doesn't appear to be the least bit interested in decriminalization.
    He is against the entire war on drugs, including cannabis.

    I’m against the drug war. I think we should let people do what they want to do.


    -Tucker Carlson

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...arlson/579460/
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    He is against the entire war on drugs, including cannabis.



    -Tucker Carlson

    [/FONT]https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...arlson/579460/
    Couldn't catch any of that in this video.

    Glad to know though that he also says this*, but I can't be sure what he really believes after the video.

    *''I’m against the drug war. I think we should let people do what they want to do. ''

  19. #76
    Probably the first time I disagreed and thought Tucker was being unreasonable at least for quite some time.
    A society that places equality before freedom with get neither; A society that places freedom before equality will yield high degrees of both

    Make a move and plead the 5th because you can't plead the 1st

  20. #77
    This is why you all should stop fighting for legalization. Anything you want to grow on your property and use is nothing government needs to say anything about. You all should be fighting for the elimination of all marijuana law. No involvement, no regulation, no permission, and no taxation.

    For the record I have never used pot and donít plan to.
    Do something Dodgers.

  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Millage may vary.
    Everyone's body is different, I have known some heavy users whose mental faculties were affected.
    That is absolute FACT.
    I know this from experience with a family member, pot had his life in near ruin, a veritable vegetable,
    at some point he straightened up ,not sure why.
    Then a girlfriend (wife now of many years) put the fear of God into him, he finished school and became
    extremely successful in business and with family.

    Still, my contention is that everyone should be free to make dumb or smart decisions, it should never be
    left to the government to decide what is best for us.

  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    love Tucker, but does he still believe this blsht , or has he finally woken up.

    I think Pot is a complete waste of time, but there should be no drug laws.
    It seems like he thinks that the left wants to tax it to pay for socialism and create bigger government and basically turn people into useful idiots. I think that is why be thinks it was better before legalization because of what legalization subsidizes. This is where a lot of people who are conservative chose the lesser of two evils because the talking point at the time was it is the only path to legalization so we can stop putting people in jail and destroying their lives. Then again Tucker did criticize Trump for signing legislation to commute drug sentences a few days ago.

  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    It seems like he thinks that the left wants to tax it to pay for socialism and create bigger government and basically turn people into useful idiots. I think that is why be thinks it was better before legalization because of what legalization subsidizes. This is where a lot of people who are conservative chose the lesser of two evils because the talking point at the time was it is the only path to legalization so we can stop putting people in jail and destroying their lives. Then again Tucker did criticize Trump for signing legislation to commute drug sentences a few days ago.
    IMV the path to legalization is the repeal of unconstitutional laws that made it illegal period.



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  25. #81
    To quote the great Clarence Thomas

    Respondents Diane Monson and Angel Raich use marijuana that has never been bought or sold, that has never crossed state lines, and that has had no demonstrable effect on the national market for marijuana. If Congress can regulate this under the Commerce Clause, then it can regulate virtually anything—and the Federal Government is no longer one of limited and enumerated powers.

    Respondent's local cultivation and consumption of marijuana is not "Commerce ... among the several States."

    [...]

    Certainly no evidence from the founding suggests that "commerce" included the mere possession of a good or some personal activity that did not involve trade or exchange for value. In the early days of the Republic, it would have been unthinkable that Congress could prohibit the local cultivation, possession, and consumption of marijuana.

    [...]

    If the Federal Government can regulate growing a half-dozen cannabis plants for personal consumption (not because it is interstate commerce, but because it is inextricably bound up with interstate commerce), then Congress' Article I powers – as expanded by the Necessary and Proper Clause – have no meaningful limits. Whether Congress aims at the possession of drugs, guns, or any number of other items, it may continue to "appropria[te] state police powers under the guise of regulating commerce."

    [...]

    If the majority is to be taken seriously, the Federal Government may now regulate quilting bees, clothes drives, and potluck suppers throughout the 50 States. This makes a mockery of Madison's assurance to the people of New York that the "powers delegated" to the Federal Government are "few and defined", while those of the States are "numerous and indefinite."

    emphasis on the bold being mine
    A society that places equality before freedom with get neither; A society that places freedom before equality will yield high degrees of both

    Make a move and plead the 5th because you can't plead the 1st

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  27. #83
    I'm more for decriminalization than legalization.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    I'm more for decriminalization than legalization.
    Why?

  29. #85
    Tucker says Republicans (?) want to make it easier for your kids to smoke weed, because hey "freedom". And Democrats are in total agreement.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djv_neI6n_4



    My question is, what the heck is Tucker smoking lately?

  30. #86
    Yeah I think Tucker doesn't care about freedom and liberty the way he joked about it on his show. I can't take anything seriously he says anymore now.

  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
    What happened to Tucker? He sounds like a nutjob in this video and seems to have abandoned his libertarian principles.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDvQsfQvS4Y


    Well if it is Tucker, why not let the marxist voters smoke themselves stupid?

  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Yeah I think Tucker doesn't care about freedom and liberty the way he jokeed about it on his show. I can't take anything seriously he says anymore now.
    Tucker isn't a small government person, never has been.

    He's an economically illiterate, vaguely socially conservative TV character who says nice things about the GOP in exchange for money.
    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

    -H. L. Mencken



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  34. #89
    Tucker Carlson pretends to care about the opioid crisis even though CBD could help people actually get off opioids. That tells you right there he doesn't really care about people he just wants to pander to people who care about the opioid crisis.

  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Tucker isn't a small government person, never has been.

    He's an economically illiterate, vaguely socially conservative TV character who says nice things about the GOP in exchange for money.
    Yeah but I watched some interviews recently where he was being anti war and I had some hopes but his whole perspective on the role of government is upside down. Tucker Carlson wants a king kind of like you.

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