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When I read your last post I was like wtf since why would one here not want Rand taking another crack at it. Then I read this post above and it jogged my memory back to the 2016 race which your observation is spot on.
What I still do not understand is what was behind the disaster? It was so obvious and a course correction could have been taken at any time but was not. I have always wondered was it his advisors - the advice he was getting or was it not a serious run, but rather setting the stage for his Senate re-election and a future campaign banking on a Trump loss?
uh no LOL.... I don't work in politics full time any more. And even if I did there are better more qualified people than I for that particular position.
However even if Rand had the best manager he has zero grassroots credibility any more. If he worked hard to change that between now and then yeah he might be able to pull off a serious run. But Rand isn't willing to do that.
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I would like to see Trump dump Pence and run with Rand in 2020. That would start Rand off in a better position for 2024. But it would depend on Rand's platform. If he runs on a platform catering to the Republican establishment, Neocons and the open borders crowd rather than Americans first he would be toast and rightfully so. This was somewhat the mistake of his 2016 campaign and the direction the news media and the establishment will again steer him to.
Rand's problem in 2016 was multi-fold:
- it pains me to say this but there was no way he could have beaten Trump in that year. He wasn't willing to out Trump Trump, not that he would have been able to either (everyone tried, including Rand). HOWEVER, there is no excuse for having such poor performance in Iowa (less than Ron's performance in 08).
- Rand's downfall started with the way he endorsed Romney in 2012. His messaging was horrible on that and it was the first hard step in a long slow decline that he never recovered from
- Rand, and his team, did not keep the grassroots close.
- Rand endorsed Mitch over Matt in KY which also caused him to lose a lot of credibility with the base, although I can understand the calculated strategic reasons for it
- His votes for relatively minor sanctions was not messaged to the grassroots very well (or at all)
- His campaign staff were full of establishment hacks who didn't understand Rand, the philosophy, the base, or the grassroots, and didn't care to either.
All of these things combined resulted in lousy performance in 2016 mostly because he didn't keep the grassroots as an integral part of his plan.
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To be honest I don't think Rand will get anywhere close to being president. I appreciate everything hes done for the past few years from the bottom of my heart but he doesn't have the personality of a winner. Like people have pointed out before he's got a bland personality. Unless Trump starts giving him pointers on how to win and be an alpha male(which probably won't work because you can't teach someone to be alpha), he won't even make it to super tuesday.
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
Trump may be God's gift to Rand, and by extension, libertarians. Rand can run as Trump's protege, promising to restore liberty even further. An endorsement from Trump would be monumental!
I'm sick of the nitpicking regarding what Rand may or may not do. I would rather live in a country where I complain about Rand as prez, than complain about anyone else.
Last edited by kona; 10-20-2018 at 11:30 PM.
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
The Romney endorsement shouldn't be debited against Rand's account; it wasn't even his decision, and it had to be done.
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As much as I love Ron, he had it easier in many ways.
It's easier to simply refuse to vote the way they want you to, period, in all circumstances,
Trying to maneuver around D.C. is much, much harder.
Rand's $#@!ed now, to a point beyond repair, mind you, but he had an extremely hard job: not everybody is suited for that.
I don't disagree... but the way he did it was poorly executed and in a way that angered everyone. He shouldn't have done it on Hannity. It should have been tacit and not glowing. And he should have pre-sold it to the grassroots first so that no one would be caught by surprise. And he should have had Ron on board too.
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
Ther could be an opening for sensible GOP or genuine libertarian 3rd party candidate in near future. This time around GOP-Adelson/Neocon wing might not have much of a chance against Rand or simialr candidate, too much secret stuff is out in public now.
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Why should he bother?
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