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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Didn’t some court already rule that Trump could not block people on Twitter?

    How was that justified?
    That's a regulation on the conduct of government employees, not on twitter.
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    Pinochet is the model
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    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    If Trump, as president, can lambast people publicly from his Twitter account, shouldn't people be allowed to lambast back?
    For the most part, the censorship and bans at Facebook and Twitter relate to relevant and real criticism of government, often from a libertarian perspective. Shouldn’t Daniel McAdams be able to “lambast back”?

    And just because Trump blocks someone on Twitter, it does not stop them from Tweeting about Trump as much as they want...
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    That's a regulation on the conduct of government employees, not on twitter.
    And it applies only to Trump, right?

    IMHO, policies, laws and court rulings based purely upon TDS are a dangerous precedent.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    That's a regulation on the conduct of government employees, not on twitter.
    Indeed, the government can regulate the behavior of its own employees however it likes.

    If they want to require the President to do a break-dance every morning on the White House lawn, they can do that.

    If a person doesn't like the terms of employment, he need not apply for the job.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    And it applies only to Trump, right?

    IMHO, policies, laws and court rulings based purely upon TDS are a dangerous precedent.
    This case requires us to consider whether a public official may, consistent with the First Amendment, “block” a person from his Twitter account in response to the political views that person has expressed, and whether the analysis differs because that public official is the President of the United States. The answer to both questions is no.
    https://knightcolumbia.org/sites/def...20judgment.pdf


    The only TDS here is yours.
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    Pinochet is the model
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    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Right...

    It’s pure coincidence that this lawsuit and the court judgements came about because of Trump. Before that, it was perfectly ok for a Twitter user (politician, elected official or any other got employee) to block another Twitter user.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Right...

    It’s pure coincidence that this lawsuit and the court judgements came about because of Trump. Before that, it was perfectly ok for a Twitter user (politician, elected official or any other got employee) to block another Twitter user.
    Behold the TDS.

    Ignore the fact that you were wrong and the ruling applies to everyone. Make it all about your daddy even when it's not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Behold the TDS.

    Ignore the fact that you were wrong and the ruling applies to everyone. Make it all about your daddy even when it's not.
    Lol. Who do you think you are fooling?

    And you dishonestly ignore the entire point. It doesn’t matter who it supposedly applies to (and we’ll see how that is enforced in the future), this would not have come up, and probably would have been thrown right out of court if not for your precious demon Trump.

    Twitter didn’t just come into being yesterday. For many years, people used it as a badge of honor when a politician or pundit blocked them. It wasn’t until Trump that hysterical TDS inflicted leftist snowflakes starting crying about it. Quit yer whining and be a man!
    Last edited by Brian4Liberty; 10-19-2018 at 04:05 PM.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

    Proponent of real science.
    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

  11. #39
    From Ron Paul, at the 5 minute mark:

    “The more I think about it, the more my conclusion is that these corporations need more charges made against them as being part of the government than working hard to protect their rights as an independent company. They’re not an independent company. If you look at the way they were established, if you look at their contracts, their immunity...they break their contract, if you sue them, they have immunity, just like government has immunity.”
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

    Proponent of real science.
    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

  12. #40
    Hegalian Dialectic - Problem Reaction Solution

    The whole narrative is Argument Bait intended to keep us fighting amonst ourselves instead of considering REAL solutions, such as Free Market and supporting Uncensored Platforms. They work BACKWARDS. They WANT power to Censor Websites at the highest level. That is their goal. They want to ELIMINATE FREE SPEECH, but for that to happen, they create Problems to which the Reaction is to call for MORE GOVT as the SOLUTION.

    Think backwards on that. To get a Solution that allows Govt to tell everyone "Ban these people but not those", they need the perception of support from as many as possible. To get that support, they do everything in their power to show that "Free Speech Is Bad". To do that, going backwards, they artifically manufacture a Problem. They are about to get their Solution, where Admins and Private Site Owners are forced to abide by the SCOTUS ruling.

    Free Speech must be protected. But what they are offering us to protect our Free Speech will have the exact OPPOSITE result.

    Second thing to note is the COMMUNIST approach to the solution, the ELIMINATION OF PRIVATE PLATFORMS, so everything is Govt run, owned, operated, and regulated into oblivion. The Law is being exploited to eliminate competition of websites that truly do NOT Censor based on political views.

    Free Speech does need to be protected, and we know we cant trust Govt to give us a meaningful solution. Calling for Free Speech on Facebook and YouTube is us trying to tell Facebook and Google how to operate their websites and what we want from them. We all get pissed off and are pretty much trained to fall into the Hegalian Dialectic of Problem Reaction Solution so we call for Govt Intervention, which is what they want. Im human, and even Im subject to being manipulated.

    The best solution is to stop using Facebook and YouTube to promote yourself or your business. Those that are left we know would end up being those that support Censorship, such as MSM. They still intend to put in place a License to post anything on the Internet. This is just a small step towards that goal. But what does a License mean? Free Speech on the Internet is PROHIBITED BY DEFAULT, unless you are granted Permission to speak. Speak in favor of your oppressors and you will be granted a License, maybe. Speak in condemnation of your oppressors and you have no chance of getting that License. This is Mass Psychology and Population Control. And there are plenty of contingency plans in place in the event this plan fails.

    Open uncensored communication enables others to hear opposing views which promotes Critical Thinking. The greatest danger to the Status Quo is those who openly identify their methods of manipulation which enables more people to learn how to mount a meaningful defense against their Mass Psychology. This is nothing more than control over a persons Beliefs in the Belief Money Violence paradigm. Control what is said to control the minds of the observers. Flat out Mind Control, using Mass Psychology and the Hegalian Dialectic.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Lol. Who do you think you are fooling?
    Myself, evidently.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    And you dishonestly ignore the entire point. It doesn’t matter who it supposedly applies to (and we’ll see how that is enforced in the future), this would not have come up, and probably would have been thrown right out of court if not for your precious demon Trump.
    Is that because of TDS or because of Trump? If attention whoring on Twitter were not such a central aspect of Trump's presidency, it wouldn't have come up. Official use of social media has become important because those officials have made it important.


    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Twitter didn’t just come into being yesterday. For many years, people used it as a badge of honor when a politician or pundit blocked them. It wasn’t until Trump that hysterical TDS inflicted leftist snowflakes starting crying about it. Quit yer whining and be a man!
    Says the guy who has liberty in his username and who, despite that, is arguing for nationalization of private enterprise because of bans.
    Last edited by TheCount; 10-19-2018 at 04:55 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Says the guy who has liberty in his username and who, despite that, is arguing for nationalization of private enterprise because of bans.
    He quoted Ron Paul... do you think Ron Paul is arguing to nationalize private enterprise?
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    He quoted Ron Paul... do you think Ron Paul is arguing to nationalize private enterprise?
    Although the quote was used to imply that, if you listen to it in context, it's clear that neither of them are suggesting additional regulation.

    "We're seeing the US government, and especially the elites in washington, essentially outsourcing the job of being the jackbooted thugs shutting down newspapers, outsourcing that to this kind of amorphous pseudo-private sector..."


    "If we can retain that amount of freedom, the freedom of expression where you can compete, even with the government, I think that we can survive it all. But, right now, it's a little shaky; maybe it's good that we wake up now and look at this before a lot more people suffer from the consequence of government regulation and closing down our right to express ourselves."
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Although the quote was used to imply that, if you listen to it in context, it's clear that neither of them are suggesting additional regulation.

    "We're seeing the US government, and especially the elites in washington, essentially outsourcing the job of being the jackbooted thugs shutting down newspapers, outsourcing that to this kind of amorphous pseudo-private sector..."


    "If we can retain that amount of freedom, the freedom of expression where you can compete, even with the government, I think that we can survive it all. But, right now, it's a little shaky; maybe it's good that we wake up now and look at this before a lot more people suffer from the consequence of government regulation and closing down our right to express ourselves."

    The quote was:

    The more I think about it, the more my conclusion is that these corporations need more charges made against them as being part of the government than working hard to protect their rights as an independent company. They’re not an independent company. If you look at the way they were established, if you look at their contracts, their immunity...they break their contract, if you sue them, they have immunity, just like government has immunity.”

    The point is this is all more nuanced and complicated than trolls like you make it out to be. The solutions are complicated, none of us know what to do.

    But you trolls keep cheering on these companies for shutting people like Alex Jones down, when essentially, they were following the instructions the government gave them to shut them down which is a violation of free speech... and you are rooting it on. Then you pretend to be for free speech. It's all a $#@!ing farce and we can see right through you.
    Last edited by dannno; 10-19-2018 at 05:12 PM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    But you trolls keep cheering on these companies for shutting people like Alex Jones down, when essentially, they were following the instructions the government gave them to shut them down which is a violation of free speech... and you are rooting it on. Then you pretend to be for free speech. It's all a $#@!ing farce and we can see right through you.
    So... if the problem is that government told them what to do, is the solution to give government more power to tell them what to do?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    So... if the problem is that government told them what to do, is the solution to give government more power to tell them what to do?
    The point is this is all more nuanced and complicated than trolls like you make it out to be. The solutions are complicated, none of us know what to do.

    But you trolls keep cheering on these companies for shutting people like Alex Jones down, when essentially, they were following the instructions the government gave them to shut them down which is a violation of free speech... and you are rooting it on. Then you pretend to be for free speech. It's all a $#@!ing farce and we can see right through you.
    ..


    What I do know, is that we shouldn't do nothing and allow people like Alex Jones to get shut down when we know this is the government violating their free speech.

    You're cheering it on, so why listen to you?
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    What I do know, is that we shouldn't do nothing and allow people like Alex Jones to get shut down when we know this is the government violating their free speech.

    You're cheering it on, so why listen to you?



    Government is violating free speech; better give government more powers over free speech.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Indeed, the government can regulate the behavior of its own employees however it likes.

    If they want to require the President to do a break-dance every morning on the White House lawn, they can do that.

    If a person doesn't like the terms of employment, he need not apply for the job.
    Courts don't get to legislate from the bench.
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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post



    Government is violating free speech; better give government more powers over free speech.
    You really should just shut the $#@! up, all you do is twist what other people say while you spout anti-liberty crap.
    Last edited by dannno; 10-19-2018 at 06:12 PM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Courts don't get to legislate from the bench.
    I don't know what you mean.

    The state must necessarily decide how to govern its own employees.

    Who else would?

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    I don't know what you mean.

    The state must necessarily decide how to govern its own employees.

    Who else would?
    The head of the executive branch (Trump) or Congress through legislation (which would have to be signed by Trump unless they had a 2/3 majority in both houses).
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post

    Government is violating free speech; better give government more powers over free speech.

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    ... all you do is twist what other people say while you spout anti-liberty crap.
    Yep. It's his template. TheCount is an extreme progressive. He voted Obama twice. He voted Hillary 2016. He is posting here on behalf of the Open Society Foundations. If I am wrong, then he is welcome to refute it.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
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    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
    Quote Originally Posted by Dforkus View Post
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  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    A private company, like Facebook, is not Congress and private companies do not make laws. Those are called rules. Seriously, what is wrong with you people who want to limit private property rights of everyone because you don't like the political ideology of a few? Have some principals.
    Already decided back in 1946.

    SCOTUS ruled that even on private property, you still have First Amendment protections.

    Marsh V. Alabama

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    Yep. It's his template. TheCount is an extreme progressive. He voted Obama twice. He voted Hillary 2016. He is posting here on behalf of the Open Society Foundations. If I am wrong, then he is welcome to refute it.
    Be curious to see if he responds.

    What say ye @TheCount ?

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Already decided back in 1946.

    SCOTUS ruled that even on private property, you still have First Amendment protections.

    Marsh V. Alabama

    People are always confused the ideal vs. reality. Think you have private property, try not paying property taxes and find out how quickly you don’t “ own” anything.
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  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You really should just shut the $#@! up, all you do is twist what other people say
    The uncomfortable feeling that you felt at the thought of answering my question, the feeling that's got you all pissed off, that would be cognitive dissonance.


    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    while you spout anti-liberty crap.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Says the guy who ... is arguing for nationalization of private enterprise because of bans.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    Yep. It's his template. TheCount is an extreme progressive. He voted Obama twice. He voted Hillary 2016. He is posting here on behalf of the Open Society Foundations. If I am wrong, then he is welcome to refute it.

    We we have so many progressives here trying to use ideal libertarian arguments against us. Being a realist does not mean your goal is against libertarianism . The current system needs repair, even if those repairs temporarily are not a purists libertarian society. That is why Rand Paul gets so much flack here. Ron is the goal, but politicians like Rand might get us there.
    Last edited by Danke; 10-19-2018 at 08:50 PM.
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  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The head of the executive branch (Trump) or Congress through legislation (which would have to be signed by Trump unless they had a 2/3 majority in both houses).
    Okay...

    The point is that the state will make these decisions, because no one else can by definition.

    I realize you don't like how it's turned out, but you might try to be consistent.

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Okay...

    The point is that the state will make these decisions, because no one else can by definition.

    I realize you don't like how it's turned out, but you might try to be consistent.
    I am consistent, I have always been against judges legislating from the bench and I still say it is Trump's private account, I was just pointing out that even if it was an official government account the judge doesn't get to tell him he can't block people on it.
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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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