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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That has been debunked over and over, there are a very few nuts everywhere but the left has embraced the nuts and always had far more anyway.

    You can't equate defense with offense no matter how you try.
    So that wasn't Trump talking.



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So that wasn't Trump talking.
    It was out of context.
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  5. #33
    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...ng-guns-to-his

    More encouraging violence.

    Ex-GOP official: Bring guns to Trump's Montana rally in case of violent protesters

    A former Montana Republican Party chairman suggested this week that supporters of President Trump should bring their guns to an upcoming rally with the president in case of violent protests.

    Will Deschamps Sr. wrote in a Facebook post Tuesday that some Republicans at the event scheduled for Thursday in Missoula will have guns and “know how to use them.”

    “For all the prospective attendees to the Trump event. Come early. Also all you protesters, show up as well. This is a concealed and open carry state and we know how to use em,” Deschamps wrote earlier this week.

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Just the opposite. A warning meant for violent protesters to stay away.
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  7. #35
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-r...am-2018-10-18/

    Promoting more violence:

    Trump at Montana rally praises congressman who body slammed reporter

    At a rally in Montana Thursday, President Trump praised Republican Rep. Greg Gianforte for body slamming a reporter in 2016 while also continuing his line of attack that voting for Democrats is voting for a "mob." Mr. Trump's Thursday rally was his first of three consecutive days of rallies.

    "Any guy who can do a body slam, he's my candidate, he's my guy," Mr. Trump said about freshman Republican Rep. Greg Gianforte. Gianforte pleaded guilty in June 2017 to assaulting a Guardian reporter the day before the state's special election. Mr. Trump's comment elicited cheers from the crowd.

  8. #36
    Trump has done nothing but promote self defense.. the reporter who got body slammed was not invited and had been asked to leave multiple times and was on private property.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump has done nothing but promote self defense.. the reporter who got body slammed was not invited and had been asked to leave multiple times and was on private property.
    Legally, "self defense" requires a proportional response minimal to get yourself out of the situation. Saying somebody should "beat the crap" out of somebody who did not hit you is not self defense. It must be "reasonable".

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gre...-slam-reporter

    Fox News report of the incident (they witnessed it):

    Faith, Keith and I arrived early to set up for the interview in a room adjacent to another room where a volunteer BBQ was to take place. As the time for the interview neared, Gianforte came into the room. We exchanged pleasantries and made small talk about restaurants and Bozeman.

    During that conversation, another man — who we now know is Ben Jacobs of The Guardian — walked into the room with a voice recorder, put it up to Gianforte's face and began asking if he had a response to the newly released Congressional Budget Office report on the American Health Care Act. Gianforte told him he would get to him later. Jacobs persisted with his question. Gianforte told him to talk to his press guy, Shane Scanlon.

    At that point, Gianforte grabbed Jacobs by the neck with both hands and slammed him into the ground behind him. Faith, Keith and I watched in disbelief as Gianforte then began punching the reporter. As Gianforte moved on top of Jacobs, he began yelling something to the effect of, "I'm sick and tired of this!"

    Jacobs scrambled to his knees and said something about his glasses being broken. He asked Faith, Keith and myself for our names. In shock, we did not answer. Jacobs then said he wanted the police called and went to leave. Gianforte looked at the three of us and repeatedly apologized. At that point, I told him and Scanlon, who was now present, that we needed a moment. The men then left.
    Audio of the attack:

    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-18-2018 at 10:37 PM.

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Legally, "self defense" requires a proportional response minimal to get yourself out of the situation. Saying somebody should "beat the crap" out of somebody who did not hit you is not self defense.
    He was talking about beating the crap out of people who were being violent, particularly with implements. That is the context that wasn't provided by your spiffy video.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    He was talking about beating the crap out of people who were being violent, particularly with implements. That is the context that wasn't provided by your spiffy video.
    Out of context? Here is the context. The "beat the crap" comment concerned if somebody threw a tomato. That is not a "reasonable" response. Nobody was throwing any tomatoes. Nobody was being violent.

    https://newrepublic.com/minutes/1288...ver-legal-fees

    "If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them. … I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees."
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-18-2018 at 10:46 PM.

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Out of context? Here is the context. The "beat the crap" comment concerned if somebody threw a tomato. That is not a "reasonable" response. Nobody was throwing any tomatoes. Nobody was being violent.

    https://newrepublic.com/minutes/1288...ver-legal-fees



    He didn't say beat the crap out of him, which would entail many strikes, he said knock the crap out of him, which is a single strike and a proportional response to throwing an object at somebody from a great distance.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    He didn't say beat the crap out of him, which would entail many strikes, he said knock the crap out of him, which is a single strike and a proportional response to throwing an object at somebody from a great distance.
    So if you toss a tomato at somebody it will be OK for me to knock the hell out of you. That would be a reasonable response on my part. "Knock the crap" is one strike?

    In another event, a peaceful protester is escorted out. Trump says he should be taken out on a stretcher. "I'd like to punch him in the face!" Again, a very disproportionate response encouraging excessive violence. But Trump can do no wrong. He doesn't encourage any violence. That is those other guys!

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So if you toss a tomato at somebody it will be OK for me to knock the hell out of you. That would be a reasonable response on my part. "Knock the crap" is one strike?
    Toss?? Lol..

    If somebody was about to throw something that looked like a tomato at me overhand, full speed, I would hope somebody would knock the crap out of them before it left their hand, to stop it from happening, or to stop it from happening twice.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    In another event, a peaceful protester is escorted out. Trump says he should be taken out on a stretcher. "I'd like to punch him in the face!" Again, a very disproportionate response encouraging excessive violence. But Trump can do no wrong. He doesn't encourage any violence. That is those other guys!

    Post it, if that is true you should have posted it before the tomato throwing guy.. But I'm guessing he was referring to a violent protester, possibly one of the violent protesters who the media mis-labeled as a peaceful protester.

    We've been down this road before, I've debunked all of your "Trump promotes violence" crap before..do you remember??
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  16. #43
    You are right. Trump only talks about love and forgiveness. Turn the other cheek and all that. Be kind to people. Let me grab another glass of Kool-Aid and celebrate.

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Toss?? Lol..

    If somebody was about to throw something that looked like a tomato at me overhand, full speed, I would hope somebody would knock the crap out of them before it left their hand, to stop it from happening, or to stop it from happening twice.





    Post it, if that is true you should have posted it before the tomato throwing guy.. But I'm guessing he was referring to a violent protester, possibly one of the violent protesters who the media mis-labeled as a peaceful protester.

    We've been down this road before, I've debunked all of your "Trump promotes violence" crap before..do you remember??
    Arguing with a troll is never recommended.
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  18. #45
    More violence inducing rhetoric from Trump today. I'm sure Shillsmith/dannno will try to Trumpsplain it away but it's obviously meant to entice low IQ types into believing they are "doin' my President Donald proud" if they engage in violence.

    Trump jokes about congressman assaulting reporter: 'Any guy who can do a body slam ... he's my guy'
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/18/polit...guy/index.html
    Last edited by devil21; 10-19-2018 at 11:19 AM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    More violence inducing rhetoric from Trump today. I'm sure Shillsmith/dannno will try to Trumpsplain it away but it's obviously meant to entice low IQ types into believing they are "doin' my President Donald proud" if they engage in violence.

    Trump jokes about congressman assaulting reporter: 'Any guy who can do a body slam ... he's my guy'
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/18/polit...guy/index.html
    Good job, zippy will be proud of you for re-posting his propaganda for the tenth time.

    We had a whole thread on this when it happened.

    The reporter was NOT invited into the office. He was asked to leave several times. He was in the dudes face. So the dude dropped him.

    Trump does not promote violence unless it is in self defense of person or property. In this case, the guy was not only on private property, but in his personal space and wouldn't leave after being asked multiple times.

    Trump does not promote violent rhetoric, you are simply confused.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Good job, zippy will be proud of you for re-posting his propaganda for the tenth time.

    We had a whole thread on this when it happened.

    The reporter was NOT invited into the office. He was asked to leave several times. He was in the dudes face. So the dude dropped him.

    Trump does not promote violence unless it is in self defense of person or property. In this case, the guy was not only on private property, but in his personal space and wouldn't leave after being asked multiple times.

    Trump does not promote violent rhetoric, you are simply confused.
    Trump's comment was 2 days ago. It's not about the reporter incident, per se. You can sub in any scenario that's occurred and get the same result. It's about making a not-so-bright listener think that he's doing a service to the President if he's able to body slam someone. That is encouraging violence. It's obvious to me that the public mouthpieces of both sides are encouraging violence amongst the little people, while the mouthpieces hide behind their armed guards. Gee, you don't think maybe they're working together to do this, do ya?

    eta: The funny part is at the same time Trump is also publicly advocating for more intrusive and aggressive policing so any moron that wants to "Make Trump Proud" in this manner will quickly find himself in jail and the book thrown at him.
    Last edited by devil21; 10-20-2018 at 05:50 PM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Good job, zippy will be proud of you for re-posting his propaganda for the tenth time.

    We had a whole thread on this when it happened.

    The reporter was NOT invited into the office. He was asked to leave several times. He was in the dudes face. So the dude dropped him.

    Trump does not promote violence unless it is in self defense of person or property. In this case, the guy was not only on private property, but in his personal space and wouldn't leave after being asked multiple times.

    Trump does not promote violent rhetoric, you are simply confused.
    Check the audio tape and the Fox reporting of the incident. The reporter was calmly asking questions and then Gianforte didn't try to move away or push the reporter away but violently grabbed him and slammed him to the ground. Totally over-violent reaction to the incident. Not justified "Self-defense".

    During that conversation, another man — who we now know is Ben Jacobs of The Guardian — walked into the room with a voice recorder, put it up to Gianforte's face and began asking if he had a response to the newly released Congressional Budget Office report on the American Health Care Act. Gianforte told him he would get to him later. Jacobs persisted with his question. Gianforte told him to talk to his press guy, Shane Scanlon.

    At that point, Gianforte grabbed Jacobs by the neck with both hands and slammed him into the ground behind him. Faith, Keith and I watched in disbelief as Gianforte then began punching the reporter.
    Some will support Trump no matter what he says or does.

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/01/23/polit...ort/index.html
    Donald Trump boasted Saturday that support for his presidential campaign would not decline even if he shot someone in the middle of a crowded street.

    "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters," Trump said at a campaign rally here.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-20-2018 at 02:08 PM.



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