3,000 Hondurans Make New Run For US Border; Trump Threatens To Cut Aid If Not Stopped

[Zippyjuan]

Soros has been linked to it.

Narcos. https://splinternews.com/journalist-...ist-1829854444

[Swordsmyth]

Narcos. https://splinternews.com/journalist-...ist-1829854444

....

“So, that said it is unknown if there was money from local narcos, but it could be,”

[Swordsmyth]

Narcos. https://splinternews.com/journalist-...ist-1829854444

It is doubtful that such sums came from the kiddies' college funds. Evidence of Soros funding of an earlier "spontaneous" migration have been found among the tentacles of support that flow from his Open Society group coffers:

Leftist billionaire George Soros is funding the well-organized anti-Trump migrant caravan invasion from Central America that has been hitting the United States-Mexico border in defiance of immigration enforcement.
Several major ultra-liberal foundations and corporations have supported the asylum-seeking migrant caravans, and Soros' funding has been tied to several groups that have spearheaded the "refugee" invasion coalition – also dubbed "the Soros Express."
"The caravan is organized by a group called Pueblo Sin Fronteras, [b]ut the effort is supported by the coalition CARA Family Detention Pro Bono Project, which includes Catholic Legal Immigration Network (CLIN), the American Immigration Council (AIC), the Refugee and Immigration Center for Education and Legal Services (RICELS) and the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) – thus the acronym CARA," WND reported. "At least three of the four groups are funded by George Soros' Open Society Foundation."

More at: https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...and_soros.html

[Swordsmyth]

Narcos. https://splinternews.com/journalist-...ist-1829854444

As with the previous caravan that sprung up last spring, the open borders group Pueblo Sin Fronteras, which is connected to Soros’ Open Society Foundation, is involved with organizing the caravan of 4,000, and the leader of the group was arrested Thursday for attacking Mexican immigration agents.

Pueblos Sin Fronteras is but one of several Soros groups financially and logistically supporting the caravan.
“The caravan is organized by a group called Pueblo Sin Fronteras, [b]ut the effort is supported by the coalition CARA Family Detention Pro Bono Project, which includes Catholic Legal Immigration Network (CLIN), the American Immigration Council (AIC), the Refugee and Immigration Center for Education and Legal Services (RICELS) and the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) – thus the acronym CARA,” WND reported in April.
“At least three of the four groups are funded by George Soros’ Open Society Foundation.”

More at: https://www.infowars.com/report-un-s...avan-invasion/

[Zippyjuan]

That is almost as convincing proof. Documentation? If Glen Beck says it is true.....I'm gonna need better supporting facts.

From one of your favorite sources which tries to say Soros admits they lack any proof of a connection: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/george...rant-caravans/

Over the Easter holiday, Americans across the country were shocked to hear of a caravan of Central Americans moving across Mexico with the goal of illegally entering the United States. The group behind the caravan, Pueblo Sin Fronteras, meaning people without borders, pledges to break immigration law in order to provide “refuge” for thousands of Central Americans.

The funding behind the group is unknown, but on their website they solicit funds through PayPal, despite their illegal activity directly breaking PayPal’s acceptable use policy.

[Swordsmyth]

The caravan is organized by a group called Pueblo sin Fronteras. But the effort is supported by the coalition CARA Family Detention Pro Bono Project, which includes Catholic Legal Immigration Network, the American Immigration Council, the Refugee and Immigration Center for Education and Legal Services and the American Immigration Lawyers Association – thus the acronym CARA. At least three of the four groups are funded By George Soros’ Open Society Foundation, WND has confirmed.
The CARA coalition was formally announced last week.
Other support groups are funded by the MacArthur Foundation, Ford Foundation and the Carnegie Corporation.
Alex Mensing (Twitter)

Alex Mensing is one of the organizers of the Pueblo sin Fronteras group, serving as an official spokesman at the border. While identifying himself as a paralegal at the University of San Francisco’s Immigration and Deportation Defense Law Clinic, he also works with CARA. He regularly briefs leftist website and magazine Mother Jones, also a major recipient of Soros grants.
Pueblo Sin Fronteras is a member of the National Day Laborer Network, which is affiliated with United for Justice and Peace, Caravan Against Fear and Freedom Road Socialist Organization. The connections run deep between left-wing activism and corporate and foundation sponsorship.
The Democratic Party links are also in strong evidence. Earlier this month, Oregon’s Democratic Governor Kate Brown accepted a contribution to her re-election campaign from Soros – his first direct involvement in that state’s elections. Three days later, Brown announced the Oregon National Guard would not be participating in President Trump’s effort to get the Guard providing border security.


“Kate Brown has consistently ignored problems facing everyday Oregonians and has instead used the office of governor to make herself a national left-wing celebrity,” said Oregon Republican Chairman Bill Currier. “Now, Brown is cashing in and taking big campaign donations from notorious leftist puppet master, billionaire George Soros.”
Soros pledged Sept. 20, 2016, to invest up to $500 million in programs and companies benefiting migrants and refugees “fleeing life-threatening situations.” That’s exactly the case Pueblo sin Fronteras is making.
“We will invest in startups, established companies, social impact initiatives, and businesses started by migrants and refugees,” said in an official statement. “These investments are intended to be successful. But our primary focus is to create products and services that truly benefit migrants and host communities. I hope my commitment will inspire other investors to pursue the same mission.”
A press release dated March 23 by the “Refugee Caravan” made clear the goal is “abolishing borders” as the name Pueblo sin Fronteras (People Without Borders) implies.
The opening statement reads: We are a group of people form different nations, religions, genders, gender expressions and sexual orientations migrating and seeking refuge. We seek to become one collective, supporting each other shoulder to shoulder and demonstrating that by uniting we can abolish borders.”


Soros is also funding programs to fund the entry of “refugees” into Italy, Hungary and Israel.

More at: https://www.wnd.com/2018/04/border-c...soros-express/



But while the funding of the group running the caravan is unknown, it is known who is funding some of the organizations supporting them. Mother Jones is a left-wing news organization, and after news broke of the caravans, they labeled those opposed to the caravan as “trolls.” In their article, they mince words to make the attempted illegal immigrant criminals sound like nothing more than peaceful migrants.
After following the money, it becomes clear where Mother Jones’ agenda lies. A report from CNS News shows that Mother Jones has received immense funding from George Soros through the The Foundation for National Progress, which has received over $1 million from George Soros.
George Soros has a clear incentive for groups like Pueblo Sin Fronteras flooding into the United States. He has been pushing for more open immigration laws around the world, resulting in him being condemned by world leaders.

More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/breaki...-join-caravan/

[Zippyjuan]

Ah- the ever reliable "WND". World Nuts Daily. They can be very entertaining- though sometimes lacking in facts. Important stories like exploding toilets. https://www.wnd.com/2018/10/explodin...at_orig=health

and a giant inflatable colon was stolen! https://www.wnd.com/2018/10/giant-in...at_orig=health

Witches Use Facebook to Put Hex On Kavanaugh! https://www.wnd.com/2018/10/witches-...at_orig=health

Groundbreaking journalism there!

I do agree with what you posted (and I also posted) from bigleaguepolitics:

But while the funding of the group running the caravan is unknown,

[Danke]

Ah- the ever reliable "WND". World Nuts Daily. They can be very entertaining- though sometimes lacking in facts. Important stories like exploding toilets. https://www.wnd.com/2018/10/explodin...at_orig=health

and a giant inflatable colon was stolen! https://www.wnd.com/2018/10/giant-in...at_orig=health

Witches Use Facebook to Put Hex On Kavanaugh! https://www.wnd.com/2018/10/witches-...at_orig=health

Groundbreaking journalism there!

I do agree with what you posted (and I also posted) from bigleaguepolitics:

It u don’t have a rebutle, baffle them with bull $#@!.

[Zippyjuan]

It u don’t have a rebutle, baffle them with bull $#@!.

Seems to be what he is trying to do.

[Swordsmyth]

Ah- the ever reliable "WND". World Nuts Daily. They can be very entertaining- though sometimes lacking in facts. Important stories like exploding toilets. https://www.wnd.com/2018/10/explodin...at_orig=health

and a giant inflatable colon was stolen! https://www.wnd.com/2018/10/giant-in...at_orig=health

Witches Use Facebook to Put Hex On Kavanaugh! https://www.wnd.com/2018/10/witches-...at_orig=health

Groundbreaking journalism there!

I do agree with what you posted (and I also posted) from bigleaguepolitics:

I said Soros has been linked to it and he has.

[Zippyjuan]

I said Soros has been linked to it and he has.

"I got this friend and his cousin knows this other guy whose sister works for the same company as he does. Yeah- I am best buds with him! We are like totally linked!"

[Swordsmyth]

"I got this friend and his cousin knows this other guy whose sister works for the same company as he does. Yeah- I am best buds with him! We are like totally linked!"

[Swordsmyth]

About 2,000 Central American migrants who circumvented Mexican police at a border bridge and swam, forded and floated across the river from Guatemala decided on Saturday to re-form their mass caravan and continue their trek northward toward the United States.Gathered at a park in the border city of Ciudad Hidalgo, the migrants voted by a show of hands and then marched to the bridge to urge those still there to cross the river and join them.
"Let's all walk together!" and "Yes we can!" they cried, defying warnings to turn back this week from U.S. President Donald Trump, who has sought to make the caravan and border security in general into a campaign issue a little over two weeks before midterm elections.
The group's decision capped a day in which Mexican authorities again refused mass entry to migrants on the bridge, instead accepting small groups for asylum processing and giving out 45-day visitor permits to some of them.

More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/hungry-mi...040047116.html

[DamianTV]

"I got this friend and his cousin knows this other guy whose sister works for the same company as he does. Yeah- I am best buds with him! We are like totally linked!"

So Soros is the one that signs your paychecks? That explains a lot!

[thoughtomator]

Most open border libertarian types would agree that you could fight an invasion force whose purpose is to violently disarm us. However, they have no issues with an invasion force who will simply vote to violently disarm us.

I could not help but notice the usual suspects don't have the same presence on this thread as they usually do on open border threads.

Perhaps they have figured out that borders are necessary to secure their liberty after all?

[RJB]

It u don’t have a rebutle, baffle them with bull $#@!.

He seems more desperate to get his message across in this thread. Either he has a new hand up his sockpuppet or the open borders issue is the ultimate reason that he is here.

[pcosmar]

Soros has been linked to it.

Low hanging fruit?

Try "School of the Americas".. Look at the MIC..

It is a Wholly created event for the purpose of political leverage..
The folks talked into marching are a bunch of poor dupes that are being used. Perhaps they were promised some hope.

This whole charade is being run out of Washington D.C..

[Ender]

Low hanging fruit?

Try "School of the Americas".. Look at the MIC..

It is a Wholly created event for the purpose of political leverage..
The folks talked into marching are a bunch of poor dupes that are being used. Perhaps they were promised some hope.

This whole charade is being run out of Washington D.C..

YEP.

[AZJoe]

Illegal immigrants are not allowed to vote. They are not eligible for welfare or other Federal benefits like Social Security or Medicare/ Medicaid. Legal immigrants with proper visas are eligible for benefits after they are in the country legally for at least five years. Talk to your representatives about reducing welfare spending.

This myth that immigrants receive no welfare benefits at all keeps circulating, but it is a blatant falsehood.

There are many different welfare programs, not just one. And the government establishes different classes of immigrants. While generally, legal immigrants are barred from federal means-tested assistance programs for five years, there are many exceptions to that rule.
Not only do immigrants receive welfare, but there are welfare benefits specifically for certain immigrant classes.
For instance the State Department’s Own Data Reports DHHS Spent $126 billion on Refugees in 10 Years:

“Americans spent almost $100 billion to support 606,000 poor refugees in the 10 years up to 2014, according to a State Department report. The $96.6 billion cost rises to $126 billion when officials count the extra cost of paying for the refugees’ spouses and children, including U.S.-born children.

The $126 billion bill is just for programs managed by the Department of Health and Human Services. It excludes additional taxpayers’ spending via state programs, as well as federal spending on Social Security, education, and housing programs, plus tax credits, says the State Department’s annual report to Congress on the refugee program. …

It is also a huge subsidy to the low-wage employers who hired the refugees …"

The State Department’s report provided a chart showing how the HHS agency spent the money:



......

Also, even unqualified immigrants regardless of documentation status, are eligible for emergency Medicaid as well as public health immunization programs.

Also childbirths to undocumented immigrants are covered under Medicaid programs. Total Medicaid program births to undocumented parents $1.2 billion/yr.

Those children born to undocumented immigrants are all eligible for Medicaid programs, as the children born are considered citizens. Medicaid annual costs to children born to undocumented parents are $4.2 billion as of 2016.

Also immigrant pregnant women and nursing mothers can be eligible for WIC assistance.

Immigrants who claim to be victims of abuse or trafficking can qualify to apply for SSI, TANF and SNAP, as well any immigrants who obtain refugee or asylum status.

They can also receive treatment at emergency rooms. Total estimated uncompensated hospital expenditures attributed to undocumented immigrants is $8.2 billion.

And then there are various local agencies, sanctuary cities and counties, like most notable L.A. County which disburses the various federal benefits without enforcing the immigration eligibility restrictions or often even verifying immigration status.

And there is also the “free” public schooling benefits. And also school lunch/breakfast programs are open to all students regardless of immigration status.

And then of course there is Medicaid and benefit eligibility fraud, and as various undercover videos have exposed is sometimes even encouraged by the local agencies responsible for issuing benefits.

If you want to argue that the all federal government dependency and redistribution (“welfare”) programs should be ended, that’s a legitimate argument. If you claim immigrants, legal or illegal, receive no welfare benefits, that’s just blatantly false.

[AZJoe]

Not thinking or not very smart on the image front. They certainly get an "F-" grade for public relations and marketing. If someone simply coached them to instead waive America flags, shout "We love America" and other praises for America, sing God Bless America, proclaim love for America and Jesus, then Republicans would be sending busses to pick them up.
If they all wore MAGA hats and shirts and cheered for Trump, Trump would pushing a way to fast track them for citizenship.

As a side note, notice that the caravan appears to be all adult males from this photo - no women, families, no children.

[Swordsmyth]

A Central American migrant caravan which was temporarily delayed by the Mexican government has regrouped, resuming their advance towards the US border on Sunday, according to AP.

The number of migrants swelled overnight to approximately 5,000 as the mile-long caravan set out toward the Mexican town of Tapachula. Several hundred asylum seekers have reportedly applied for refugee status in Mexico, while an estimated 1,500 remain on the Guatemalan side of the Suchiate River in the hopes of entering Mexico legally.

It was not immediately clear where the additional travelers had materialized from since about 2,000 had been gathered on the Mexican side Saturday night. They seemed likely to be people who had been waiting in the Guatemalan town of Tecun Uman and who decided to cross during the night.
They marched on through Mexico like a ragtag army of the poor, shouting triumphantly slogans like “Si se pudo!” or “Yes, we could!”
As they passed through Mexican villages on the outskirts of Ciudad Hidalgo, they drew applause, cheers and donations of food and clothing from Mexicans.
Maria Teresa Orellana, a resident of the neighborhood of Lorenzo handed out free sandals to the migrants as they passed. “It’s solidarity,” she said. “They’re our brothers.” -AP

The group has been referred to as an "attack caravan" by former GOP House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who cited a figure by Fox News host Laura Ingraham that the caravan would cost around $7,000 per person, or $28 million total when the size of the group was estimated at 4,000 people. At 5,000 strong, the caravan would cost $35 million.

If the new reports are correct the “attack caravan” from Central America is up to 4,000 people. If Laura Ingraham’s estimate is right and it costs about $7,000 per person where is the $28 million coming from. This is $28 million to attack American sovereignty.
— Newt Gingrich (@newtgingrich) October 19, 2018

Meanwhile, two men in white t-shirts were seen handing out what appears to be cash to the migrants last week, fueling speculation that the second such group this year has been professionally organized and funded.

Watch the two guys in white t-shirts. Apparently paying those joining the #CaravanaMigrante. Who is funding this attack on the American mid-terms? #MAGA2018 pic.twitter.com/S36q4B4wYZ
— Katie Hopkins (@KTHopkins) October 17, 2018

The migrant caravan regrouped after Mexican authorities refused mass entry via a bridge over the Suchiate River - instead allowing small groups of migrants to enter for asylum processing, while giving 45-day visitor permits to others. That said, many of the migrants found ways to circumvent the Mexican government despite the deployment of hundreds of riot police upon President Trump's request.

But many became impatient and circumventing the border gate, crossing the river on rafts, by swimming or by wading in full view of the hundreds of Mexican police manning the blockade on the bridge. Some paid locals the equivalent of $1.25 to ferry them across the muddy waters. They were not detained on reaching the Mexican bank.
Sairy Bueso, a 24-year old Honduran mother of two, was another migrant who abandoned the bridge and crossed into Mexico via the river. She clutched her 2-year-old daughter Dayani, who had recently had a heart operation, as she got off a raft.
“The girl suffered greatly because of all the people crowded” on the bridge, Bueso said. “There are risks that we must take for the good of our children.” -AP

The Mexican Interior Department reported the receipt of 640 refugee requests by Hondurans at the border.


Federal police monitored the Caravan on Sunday via helicopter, while approximately 500 officers briefly shadowed the group on the highway - however according to AP, officers say taht their instructions were to allow the caravan to continue while maintaining traffic.
Trump isn't having it
President Trump reiterated his commitment to deploying the US military if the caravan isn't stopped. At a Friday rally in Scottsdale, Arizona, he said "But as of this moment, I thank Mexico. If that doesn’t work out, we’re calling up the military — not the Guard."
Trump reiterated his statements to reporters:

President Trump: "You have some very, very bad people in the caravan. You have some very tough criminal elements within the caravan. But I will seal off the border before they come into this country, and I'll bring out our military." https://t.co/SJoYwvF4mt pic.twitter.com/9TRUjfpmyr
— The Hill (@thehill) October 21, 2018

On Sunday, Trump tweeted: "Full efforts are being made to stop the onslaught of illegal aliens from crossing our Souther Border. People have to apply for asylum in Mexico first, and if they fail to do that, the U.S. will turn them away. The courts are asking the U.S. to do things that are not doable!"


More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...-hand-out-cash

[Swordsmyth]

Trump Prepared To Cut UN Funding Over Its Support For Illegal Migrant Caravan

Nationalist president also looking at tax-exempt status of UN NGOs like Soros’ Open Society, Rockefeller, & Ford Foundation

Video at: https://www.infowars.com/breaking-tr...grant-caravan/

[Anti Federalist]

Everybody needs to read this, right $#@!ing now, and then decide where they stand.

[Anti Federalist]

Not thinking or not very smart on the image front. They certainly get an "F-" grade for public relations and marketing. If someone simply coached them to instead waive America flags, shout "We love America" and other praises for America, sing God Bless America, proclaim love for America and Jesus, then Republicans would be sending busses to pick them up.
If they all wore MAGA hats and shirts and cheered for Trump, Trump would pushing a way to fast track them for citizenship.

As a side note, notice that the caravan appears to be all adult males from this photo - no women, families, no children.

They are doing what an invading army does: carries it's standard before them.

I would not be surprised to see this turn into a mighty host of 50,000 or maybe more by the time they wend their way through Mexico.

All carrying the banners of the invaders.

So, what are you prepared to do about it?

[Anti Federalist]

I could not help but notice the usual suspects don't have the same presence on this thread as they usually do on open border threads.

Perhaps they have figured out that borders are necessary to secure their liberty after all?

I was wondering where they were as well...

[phill4paul]

Everybody needs to read this, right $#@!ing now, and then decide where they stand.

but has been widely criticized or dismissed by both French and English language commentators. It is controversial and has often been denounced as racist and xenophobic, especially due to its anti-immigration themes. The Southern Poverty Law Center has compared the book to The Turner Diaries, attributing its popularity with white nationalists to the plot's parallels with the white genocide conspiracy theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Camp_of_the_Saints


OK, given these wiki factoids, I'm definitely gonna have to give it a read. It has all the progressive NPC talking points to pique my interest.

[Anti Federalist]

Seeing Zippy joyously taunting us, daring us to try to stop them, makes me a lot less sympathetic.

Well, FWIW, Zip lives down San Diego way, right at the tip of the spear.

Like Micheal Moore, he'll find himself rejected and displaced by the coming hordes, just as he thought he was going to dance in the ashes of what he helped to destroy.

He'll be just another useful idiot gringo, whose usefulness has now passed.

[Pauls' Revere]

"I got this friend and his cousin knows this other guy whose sister works for the same company as he does. Yeah- I am best buds with him! We are like totally linked!"

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...277A&FORM=VIRE

[Swordsmyth]

Mexican officials said federal police were staying in front of the caravan, which stretched about two miles and comprised mostly of people from Honduras and Guatemala many of whom say they are determined to reach the U.S. border 1,700 miles away.
Those officers, transported in a convoy of tour buses and reinforced with riot police from across the country, have announced they will not let the migrants pass a small town near the border.

The phalanx of police, supported by Mexican military Blackhawk helicopters overhead, was bracing for a repeat of the violent clashes that occurred on Friday when the caravan stormed and overran a crossing at the Suchiate River at the border of Guatemala and Mexico. Members of the caravan crossed into Mexico illegally by either forcing their way through a border fence or jumping into the river and swimming to the Mexico side.

More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-me...opstories.html

[Anti Federalist]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Camp_of_the_Saints


OK, given these wiki factoids, I'm definitely gonna have to give it a read. It has all the progressive NPC talking points to pique my interest.

Keep in mind it's over 40 years old now, and was written in French, from a French perspective, so some things may appear a little dated or out of whack.

But how he lays out Fifth Gen Warfare and how it is used against a soft, weak and self loathing population is precisely spot on.