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    2018: USS Liberty Crew Again Call for New Inquiry, Say Attack by Israel Was Deliberate

    Previous USS Liberty thread got buried by mod in sub-forum oblivion so fast it made your head spin, shameful. Spitting on surviving crew who are still alive and who again called for a new investigation. They are not dead and history, they are alive. Will be reporting to Dr. Ron Paul this attitude toward veterans and their free speech right to criticize Israel. SUPPORT THE USS LIBERTY SURVIVOR HEROES.

    This year like every year the Liberty survivors held a memorial ceremony in DC. So far in 50 years not one member of Congress has attended, although invited. Despite one crew member winning the Medal of Honor. Who coordinated the cover-up? None other than Senator John McCain's father, Admiral John McCain Sr.


    July 21, 2018: Palm Coast survivor of 1967 attack on USS Liberty by Israel leads call for investigation.

    ....

    In the immediate aftermath, a Navy Board of Inquiry determined that the two-hour attack led by four Israeli fighter jets on the defenseless intelligence-gathering ship was an accident, conducted in error.

    Gallo and his shipmates didn’t buy it...

    “Our mission is to have the truth told about what happened to us, so that history records the event accurately,” said Gallo, now in his third three-year term as the organization’s president. In an election year, the association is focused on persuading U.S. congressional candidates to push for a congressional investigation into the attack.

    Gallo



    THE FACTS

    "We heard the radio chatter, they knew the ship was American" - USS Liberty surviving crew member.

    This documentary of the surviving crew completely settles that the attack was deliberate. Two huge American flags flying on a crystal-clear day. This issue alone makes this entire country a joke.




    Trailer


    US Admiral and former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Thomas Moorer concluded the Israelis knew the ship was American and meant to sink it to drag us into war with Egypt. Liberty survivors are all 9/11 truthers too.

    The F-15 Tomcat is named after Admiral Moorer. USS Liberty Survivors Facebook.

    A fair probe would attack Liberty misinformation

    By Admiral Thomas Moorer
    Stars and Stripes
    January 16, 2004

    https://ifamericaknew.org/us_ints/ul-moorer.html







    -Israeli reconnaissance aircraft closely studied the Liberty during an eight-hour period prior to the attack, one flying within 200 feet of the ship. Weather reports confirm the day was clear with unlimited visibility. The Liberty was a clearly marked American ship in international waters, flying an American flag and carrying large U.S. Navy hull letters and numbers on its bow.

    -Despite claims by Israeli intelligence that they confused the Liberty with a small Egyptian transport, the Liberty was conspicuously different from any vessel in the Egyptian navy. It was the most sophisticated intelligence ship in the world in 1967. With its massive radio antennae, including a large satellite dish, it looked like a large lobster and was one of the most easily identifiable ships afloat.

    -Israel attempted to prevent the Liberty’s radio operators from sending a call for help by jamming American emergency radio channels.
    Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned lifeboats at close range that had been lowered to rescue the most-seriously wounded. As a result, our commission concluded that:

    There is compelling evidence that Israel’s attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew.

    In attacking the USS Liberty, Israel committed acts of murder against U.S. servicemen and an act of war against the United States.

    The White House knowingly covered up the facts of this attack from the American people.

    The truth continues to be concealed to the present day in what can only be termed a national disgrace.
    Last edited by James_Madison_Lives; 12-27-2018 at 12:16 AM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    To be fair, these veterans views are not covered by MSM though.
    Ya it's kind of amazing that the Daytona News-Journal even covered them. Now your hard news really comes from the local level. Everything else is fake.

    https://www.news-journalonline.com/n...er-uss-liberty

    On the positive side, a conservative lifers website Military.com suddenly is on it, and not pulling any punches. They are on the veteran's side.

    http://www.military.com/video/forces.../3875358637001

    Extensive Interviews with USS Liberty Survivors' - Audio tapes obtained by award winning British film maker Richard Belfield prove what every USS Liberty survivor, former Secretary of State Dean Rusk, and former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Thomas Moorer have said all along: that Israel deliberately attacked an American ship. The plan was to sink it, blame Egypt, and draw the US into the Six Day War on the Israeli side, but the heroism of the Liberty crew in fighting ship damage, often while wounded, prevented it from sinking with all hands. The tapes are featured in "The Day Israel Attacked America" by film-maker Richard Belfield, whose previous production credits include National Geographic TV and Discovery Channel.
    In 2017 the American Legion, at its national convention in Reno approved Resolution 40 calling for the first full U.S. government investigation of Israel’s 1967 attack on the USS Liberty.

    https://mondoweiss.net/2017/08/ameri...s-investigate/

    say hi to the survivors at their FB!
    Last edited by James_Madison_Lives; 10-14-2018 at 11:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    To be fair, these veterans views are not covered by MSM though.
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    To be fair, these veterans views are not covered by MSM though.
    Recent article in another real newspaper, Lawrence Kansas Journal World. Looks like red state country a little more apt, after 50 years, to let the crew membrs say the truth.

    http://www2.ljworld.com/news/general...g-six-day-war/
    “They said it was an accident. It wasn’t an accident, and everyone who was on the Liberty will tell you that,” he said. “The jet had been circling above us all morning. They had been watching us and taking pictures for six hours. We were waving at them.”

    The ship had large markings and was flying the American flag the day of the attack, Slavens said. Israel has said they thought the ship was Egyptian.

    “Basically, the U.S. and Israeli governments covered it up,” he said. “We had the goods on them (Israelis). They said they wanted peace, but they were perpetuating the war. We heard it all and had it all documented. They didn’t want that to get out. The torpedo boats shot our life rafts out of the water. That tells you right there they didn’t want any survivor to talk about this thing.”

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    There is no way to know if it was deliberate .Opening inquiry would do nothing to prove anything other than possibly the navy was negligent by having an unprotected ship operating outside the fleet in an area that they had been pre warned would be an open war zone .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    There is no way to know if it was deliberate .Opening inquiry would do nothing to prove anything other than possibly the navy was negligent by having an unprotected ship operating outside the fleet in an area that they had been pre warned would be an open war zone .
    Guess you didn't bother to read the post or listen to the surviving crew members. Remember chanting "support the troops?" Now's your chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    Guess you didn't bother to read the post or listen to the surviving crew members. Remember chanting "support the troops?" Now's your chance.
    I have listened to them . I also know what that boat looked like and where it was . I have no doubt they were trying to sink it but there will be no way to prove the pilots thought it was an american war ship . As a former soldier I have never chanted support our troops .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    Who coordinated the cover-up? None other than Senator John McCain's father, Admiral John McCain Sr.
    Did that guy do anything to earn his pay besides engineer cover-ups? He also personally slopped the whitewash when that son of his gave the U.S.S. Forrestal the nickname 'Forest Fire'.

    How nice for him that history remembers his career.
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    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.



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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I have listened to them . I also know what that boat looked like and where it was . I have no doubt they were trying to sink it but there will be no way to prove the pilots thought it was an american war ship . As a former soldier I have never chanted support our troops .
    Then you'll know that Israeli recon planes circled it for hours in the morning, close enough to wave at the American sailors, with two gigantic American flags flying in a perfect wind and fresh painted "USS Liberty" across the bow. It was a unique one of a kind navy intelligence ship. There was Israeli radio chatter with the pilots who said it was American, who were told to continue the attack. You can read the Admiral Thomas Moorer report, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs if you want to know more. He called it a deliberate "act of war" by Israel against the United States. They were trying to sink it and blame Egypt, to draw the US into the Six Day War. And LBJ helped cover it up because he was as evil a traitor since Benedict Arnold.

    Bottom line is the time for your brand of hogwash "they couldn't have known" is over. It's just something you keep repeating without citing any basis.

    Oh, and the American Legion has recently called for a new investigation.



    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ul-moorer.html

    A fair probe would attack Liberty misinformation

    By Admiral Thomas Moorer
    Stars and Stripes
    January 16, 2004


    BETHESDA, Md.—While state department officials and historians converge on Washington this week to discuss the 1967 war in the Middle East, I am compelled to speak out about one of U.S. history’s most shocking cover-ups.

    On June 8, 1967, Israel attacked our proud naval ship — the USS Liberty — killing 34 American servicemen and wounding 172. Those men were then betrayed and left to die by our own government.

    U.S. military rescue aircraft were recalled — not once, but twice — through direct intervention by the Johnson administration. Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara’s cancellation of the Navy’s attempt to rescue the Liberty, which I confirmed from the commanders of the aircraft carriers America and Saratoga, was the most disgraceful act I witnessed in my entire military career.

    To add insult to injury, Congress, to this day, has failed to hold formal hearings on Israel’s attack on this American ship. No official investigation of the attack has ever permitted the testimony of the surviving crewmembers.

    A 1967 investigation by the Navy, upon which all other reports are based, has now been fully discredited as a cover-up by its senior attorney. Capt. Ward Boston, in a sworn affidavit, recently revealed that the court was ordered by the White House to cover up the incident and find that Israel’s attack was “a case of mistaken identity.”

    Some distinguished colleagues and I formed an independent commission to investigate the attack on the USS Liberty. After an exhaustive review of previous reports, naval and other military records, including eyewitness testimony from survivors, we recently presented our findings on Capitol Hill. They include:

    -Israeli reconnaissance aircraft closely studied the Liberty during an eight-hour period prior to the attack, one flying within 200 feet of the ship. Weather reports confirm the day was clear with unlimited visibility. The Liberty was a clearly marked American ship in international waters, flying an American flag and carrying large U.S. Navy hull letters and numbers on its bow.

    -Despite claims by Israeli intelligence that they confused the Liberty with a small Egyptian transport, the Liberty was conspicuously different from any vessel in the Egyptian navy. It was the most sophisticated intelligence ship in the world in 1967. With its massive radio antennae, including a large satellite dish, it looked like a large lobster and was one of the most easily identifiable ships afloat.

    -Israel attempted to prevent the Liberty’s radio operators from sending a call for help by jamming American emergency radio channels.

    - Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned lifeboats at close range that had been lowered to rescue the most-seriously wounded. As a result, our commission concluded that:

    -There is compelling evidence that Israel’s attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew.

    -In attacking the USS Liberty, Israel committed acts of murder against U.S. servicemen and an act of war against the United States.

    -The White House knowingly covered up the facts of this attack from the American people.

    -The truth continues to be concealed to the present day in what can only be termed a national disgrace.

    What was Israel’s motive in launching this attack? Congress must address this question with full cooperation from the National Security Agency, the CIA and the military intelligence services.

    The men of the USS Liberty represented the United States. They were attacked for two hours, causing 70 percent American casualties and the eventual loss of our best intelligence ship.

    These sailors and Marines were entitled to our best defense. We gave them no defense. Did our government put Israel’s interests ahead of our own? If so, why? Does our government continue to subordinate American interests to Israeli interests? These are important questions that should be investigated by an independent, fully empowered commission of the American government.

    The American people deserve to know the truth about this attack. We must finally shed some light on one of the blackest pages in American naval history. It is a duty we owe not only to the brave men of the USS Liberty, but to every man and woman who is asked to wear the uniform of the United States. http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ul-moorer.html



    U.S. Navy Admiral Thomas Moorer (deceased)
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    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    Then you'll know that Israeli recon planes circled it for hours in the morning, close enough to wave at the American sailors, with two gigantic American flags flying in a perfect wind and fresh painted "USS Liberty" across the bow. It was a unique one of a kind navy intelligence ship. There was Israeli radio chatter with the pilots who said it was American, who were told to continue the attack. You can read the Admiral Thomas Moorer report, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs if you want to know more. He called it a deliberate "act of war" by Israel against the United States. They were trying to sink it and blame Egypt, to draw the US into the Six Day War.

    Bottom line is the time for your brand of hogwash "they couldn't have known" is over. It's just something you keep repeating without citing any basis.


    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ul-moorer.html






    U.S. Navy Admiral Thomas Moorer (deceased)
    So , it is your opinion it can be proved .
    Do something Danke

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    It is your opinion it can be proved . I remain skeptical .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    It is your opinion it can be proved . I remain skeptical .

    - Israeli recon planes circled the ship for 9 hours in the morning, making 13 passes close enough for the pilots and crew to wave at each other

    - Two giant American flags including the Holiday Colors" were hoisted and unfurled in a 15 knot breeze, on a crystal clear day.

    - Israeli radio transmissions show pilots were reporting ship was American as two hour attack was underway, and told to continue.

    - Two Israeli pilots refused to continue attacking, and were arrested upon landing.

    - Ship was hit with over 800 rounds, over two hours, of rockets, machine guns, torpedoes, and napalm bombs by jets, torpedo boats, and helicopter. Then the Israelis machine gunned the lifeboats.

    - As the attack began the Israelis jammed American emergency frequencies.

    - No surviving crew were allowed to testify to anything that did not support the official conclusion, and had gag orders on them until they started speaking out.

    THESE ARE NOT MY OPINION. THESE ARE FACTS.



    Captain Ennes was the Officer of the Deck that day.

    https://www.wrmea.org/1993-june/the-...-26-years.html

    Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, June 1993, Page 19

    This Month in History
    The Assault on the USS Liberty Still Covered Up After 26 Years
    By James M. Ennes Jr.

    Twenty-six years have passed since that clear day on June 8, 1967 when Israel attacked the USS Liberty with aircraft and torpedo boats, killing 34 young men and wounding 171. The attack in international waters followed over nine hours of close surveillance. Israeli pilots circled the ship at low level 13 times on eight different occasions before attacking. Radio operators in Spain, Lebanon, Germany and aboard the ship itself all heard the pilots reporting to their headquarters that this was an American ship. They attacked anyway. And when the ship failed to sink, the Israeli government concocted an elaborate story to cover the crime.

    There is no question that this attack on a U.S. Navy ship was deliberate. This was a coordinated effort involving air, sea, headquarters and commando forces attacking over a long period. It was not the "few rounds of misdirected fire" that Israel would have the world believe. Worse, the Israeli excuse is a gross and detailed fabrication that disagrees entirely with the eyewitness recollections of survivors. Key American leaders call the attack deliberate. More important, eyewitness participants from the Israeli side have told survivors that they knew they were attacking an American ship.

    Israeli Pilot Speaks Up

    Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested.

    Later, a dual-citizen Israeli major told survivors that he was in an Israeli war room where he heard that pilot's radio report. The attacking pilots and everyone in the Israeli war room knew that they were attacking an American ship, the major said. He recanted the statement only after he received threatening phone calls from Israel.

    The pilot's protests also were heard by radio monitors in the U.S. Embassy in Lebanon. Then-U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon Dwight Porter has confirmed this. Porter told his story to syndicated columnists Rowland Evans and Robert Novak and offered to submit to further questioning by authorities. Unfortunately, no one in the U.S. government has any interest in hearing these first-person accounts of Israeli treachery.

    Key members of the Lyndon Johnson administration have long agreed that this attack was no accident. Perhaps most outspoken is former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Thomas Moorer. "I can never accept the claim that this was a mistaken attack," he insists.

    Former Secretary of State Dean Rusk is equally outspoken, calling the attack deliberate in press and radio interviews. Similarly strong language comes from top leaders of the Central Intelligence Agency, National Security Agency (some of whose personnel were among the victims), National Security Council, and from presidential advisers such as Clark Clifford, Joseph Califano and Lucius Battle.

    A top-secret analysis of Israel's excuse conducted by the Department of State found Israel's story to be untrue. Yet Israel and its defenders continue to stand by their claim that the attack was a "tragic accident" in which Israel mistook the most modern electronic surveillance vessel in the world for a rusted-out 40-year-old Egyptian horse transport.

    Despite the evidence, no U.S. administration has ever found the courage to ever found the courage to defy the Israeli lobby by publicly demanding a proper accounting from Israel.

    How Does Congress React to These Complaints?

    Most members of Congress respond to inquiries about the Liberty with seemingly sympathetic promises to "investigate." Weeks or months later they write again to report their "findings": "The Navy investigated in 1967 and found no evidence that the attack was deliberate," they say." Israel apologized, calling the attack a tragic case of misidentification, and paid damages for loss of life, injuries and property damage. The matter is closed.

    The fact is, however, that the Navy's "investigation" examined only the quality of the crew's training, the adequacy of communications and the performance of the crew under fire. The Navy was forbidden to examine Israeli culpability and Navy investigators refused to allow testimony showing that the attack was deliberate or that Israel's excuse was untrue.
    The Navy blocked all testimony about Israeli actions.

    Instead of determining whether the attack was deliberate, the Navy blocked all testimony about Israeli actions. No survivor was permitted to describe the close in machine-gun fire that continued for 40 minutes after Israel claims all firing stopped. No survivor was allowed to talk about the life rafts the Israeli torpedo men machine-gunned in the water. No survivor was permitted to challenge defects and fabrications in Israel's story. Even my eyewitness testimony as officer-of-the deck was withheld from the official record. No evidence of Israeli culpability was "found" because no such testimony was allowed. To survivors, this was not an investigation. It was a cover-up.

    Congress Goes Through the Motions

    Occasionally a member of Congress will seem to probe a bit deeper, as Ted Kennedy once did. In response to requests, Kennedy asked Liberty survivors and others for input,which his staff then "studied" for more than a year.

    Kennedy asked no questions, conducted no interviews, and showed no curiosity about the many discrepancies in Israel's story. Then Kennedy reported his "findings" in a letter to survivors. Carefully avoiding the circumstances of the attack, Kennedy's letter deplored the "tragic circumstances and loss of life" and declared that the facts about the Liberty must be uncovered "to the maximum extent humanly possible."

    That letter, however, represented Kennedy's maximum effort. Appeals to Kennedy for some real help go unanswered.
    The Quest Goes On

    The best forum in the '90s for this story and related stories of the Middle East may well be electronic mail, the complex of computer and electronic mail systems that now span the globe.

    For instance, the USS Liberty and the Middle East are hot topics in the "Prodigy interactive computer service" run by Sears and IBM. With over 2 million members, Prodigy's "Israel" forums guarantee some lively and often bitter debates.

    Unfortunately, the playing field often seems uneven. The cover-up side heavily outnumbers its critics, and is allowed tactics rarely tolerated from others. Criticism of Israeli policies is seen as "attacks on the Jewish homeland." Pro-Israel debaters charge that Israel's critics are "disciples of hate," and "pathological haters of Israel and all things Jewish."

    The language gets worse. Prodigy allows Israel's critics to be called "sodomists," and "derriere bussing anti-Semites." The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, which prints an update on progress toward a congressional investigation every year on the June anniversary of the tragedy, comes in for special vitriol. The magazine is described almost daily as a hate rag." Yet Prodigy's censors often reject even mild and factual rebuttals of such charges as "insulting."

    Despite a near media blackout, and such invective directed at publications that defy it, Americans, do continue to support the USS Liberty and its survivors' association. Late last year the Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 560 in Zimmerman, Minnesota, raised over $12,000 to create a rest stop and picnic area on donated land near a major highway as a memorial to the men who died on the Liberty. This makes the 29th public memorial to the USS Liberty.

    The memorial area and an inscribed granite stone were appropriately dedicated in a ceremony attended by survivors, VFW members, Mayor Randy Hanson, and Liberty's heroic Congressional Medal of Honor-winning skipper, Captain William McGonagle, among others.

    Inspired by community support, members of Post 560 are now telling the USS Liberty story to every VFW post in Minnesota. Member Stan Wuolle tells us that after they cover all of Minnesota, they will start on Wisconsin and the Dakotas.

    In New York, meanwhile, Korean War veteran John Everts learned about the attack just last year and was similarly moved. Everts inspired two Korean vets groups in which he is active, "The Chosin Few" and "The Korean War Veterans" Kivlehan Chapter, to write more than 100 letters to Congress seeking the investigation that survivors mill are denied.

    To date, no member of Congress has risked re-election chances by agreeing publicly to Evert's request. No one really expected that to happen. But efforts like these help members of Congress and the American public remember that Israel attacked the USS Liberty, deliberately and then lied about it. Sooner or later, Americans will insist that their government and their representatives in Congress find out why.

    James Ennes retired from the Navy in 1978 as a lieutenant commander after 27 years of enlisted and commissioned service. He was a lieutenant on the bridge of the USS Liberty on the day of the attack. His book on the subject, Assault on the Liberty (Random House, 1980), is a "Notable Naval Book" selection of the U. S. Naval Institute and was "editors' choice" when reviewed in The Washington Post. Copies of the book are available from the American Educational Trust, publisher of this magazine, at $25.00 each.
    Government Officials on the USS Liberty:

    -- Lieutenant General Marshall S. Carter, director of the National Security Agency at the time: "There was no other answer than it was deliberate."

    -- Walter Deeley, the senior NSA official who conducted an internal NSA investigation of the incident: "There is no way that they didn't know that the Liberty was American."

    -- Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff: "I have to conclude that it was Israel's intent to sink the Liberty and leave as few survivors as possible. Israel knew perfectly well that the ship was American."

    -- Captain William L. McGonnagle, the Liberty's commander: "After many years I finally believe that the attack was deliberate."

    -- Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, USN, Director National Security Agency 1977-1981, reported in Proceedings, June, 2003: "It is just exceedingly difficult to believe that [USS Liberty] was not correctly identified"

    -- Richard Helms, Director of Central Intelligence at the time: "Your chapter on the Liberty was exactly right."

    -- George Christian, press secretary to President Johnson at the time: "I became convinced that an accident of this magnitude was too much to swallow."

    -- Paul C. Warnke, Under Secretary of the Navy at the time: "I found it hard to believe that it was, in fact, an honest mistake on the part of the Israeli air force units.... I suspect that in the heat of battle they figured that the presence of this American ship was inimical to their interests."

    -- Dean Rusk, Secretary of State at the time: "The Liberty was flying an American flag. It was not all that difficult to identify, and my judgment was that somewhere along the line some fairly senior Israeli official gave the go-ahead for these attacks."

    -- David G. Nes, the deputy head of the American mission in Cairo at the time: "I don't think that there's any doubt that it was deliberate.... [It is] one of the great cover-ups of our military history."

    -- George Ball, Under Secretary of State at the time: "American leaders did not have the courage to punish Israel for the blatant murder of its citizens."
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    American Legion Joins VFW in Calling for Congressional Investigation of Israel's Attack on USS Liberty.

    the national veteran's group American Legion has passed Resolution 40 calling for Congress to "publicly, impartially, and thoroughly" investigate the attack by Israel on an American ship in 1967, in which 34 American sailors were killed and hundreds of others were wounded… a veil of government secrecy … keeps key documents on the attack classified more than 50 years later. [NSA USS Liberty documents]

    The attack, which surviving crew members to a man say was deliberate, as well as a stellar list of high-ranking officials, has never been officially investigated outside of a Navy Court of Inquiry and an NSA probe. Surviving crew members were not allowed to testify to key points which did not fit the official conclusion that it was an accident. … crew members were never allowed to give testimony witnessing an Israeli patrol boat's methodical machine-gunning of the life boats, which supports the contention that the Israelis wanted no survivors. …

    The Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW), the other major US veterans' organization, passed a national resolution calling for a congressional investigation in 2003. …

    Resolution 40 … reading in part:
    WHEREAS, on June 8, 1967, while operating in support of the National Security Agency (NSA) in international waters, properly marked as to her identity and nationality, and in calm, clear weather in the eastern Mediterranean, the USS Liberty (AGTR-5) was the target of an unprovoked attack by Israeli military forces that killed 34 members of the Liberty’s crew and wounded 173; and …

    WHEREAS, according to Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) information reports from June and October, 1967, sources in Tel Aviv reported: “Israel’s forces knew exactly what flag the [L]IBERTY was flying” and Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Dayan “personally ordered the attack” on the Liberty over the objections of senior uniformed military personnel, one of whom characterized the attack as “pure murder”; and,

    WHEREAS, Richard Helms (Director of Central Intelligence, 1966-1973), stated in a 1984 CIA interview: “...I don’t think there can be any doubt that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing..."; and,

    WHEREAS, Lieutenant General Marshall S. Carter, USA (ret.) (Director of the NSA, 1965-1969), recalled in a 1988 NSA interview that he stated at a Congressional hearing in 1967 that the attack on the Liberty “couldn’t be anything else but deliberate...and,
    ...
    WHEREAS...Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, USN (ret.) said: “there is compelling evidence that Israel’s attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew” …

    On the morning of June 8th, 1967, Israeli reconnaissance aircraft circled slowly around the Liberty … for 9 hours, making 13 very close passes. … the planes were close enough to wave at the pilots, who waved back. The ship was flying two American flags, including the Holiday Colors, a particularly large flag. …

    At around two in the afternoon, after the recon planes broke off, Israeli Mirage jets came roaring over the horizon and opened fire, for nearly two hours, with .30mm cannon, rockets, missiles, and napalm bombs. Then an Israeli Navy patrol boat arrived and launched torpedoes. …

    According to the timeline of … survivors … The timeline reads: …

    The Tribune reported: "The transcript published by the Jerusalem Post bore scant resemblance to the one that in 1967 rolled off the teletype machine behind the sealed vault door at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha” …

    "The ground control station stated that the target was American and for the aircraft to confirm it," Forslund recalled. "The aircraft did confirm the identity of the target as American, by the American flag.”
    "The ground control station ordered the aircraft to attack and sink the target and ensure they left no survivors." … "Some of the pilots did not want to attack," Block said. "The pilots said, 'This is an American ship. Do you still want us to attack?' "And ground control came back and said, 'Yes, follow orders.'" …
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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I have listened to them . I also know what that boat looked like and where it was . I have no doubt they were trying to sink it but there will be no way to prove the pilots thought it was an american war ship . As a former soldier I have never chanted support our troops .
    Oh, in denial.
    FJB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Oh, in denial.
    No , I was not there . I do know proving things is hard .
    Do something Danke



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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    No , I was not there . I do know proving things is hard .
    Fair enough.
    FJB

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    No , I was not there . I do know proving things is hard .
    There is no such thing as absolute proof. There is only proof beyond a reasonable doubt. That test was long ago met, as anyone who cares to examine the facts knows. FACT: The survivors were not even allowed to testify. Sure, real thorough investigation.

    This is not abstract. They had names. They were ours. It was not an accident.


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    Francis Brown




    QM3 Francis Brown, USN, 778 76 70
    Born 6 May 1947, Albany, New York
    Active duty since 6 August 1964
    Parents: Mr. & Mrs. Wade Brown, Troy, NY
    Died on bridge while operating the helm






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    James Lee Lenau




    Everyone has heard of Washington, D.C., and some know about the space needle in Seattle, in the state of Washington. Not many people know about Washington, Missouri.

    This community was the birthplace of James Lee Lenau.






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    Curtis A. Graves




    CT1 Curtis Alan Graves, USN, 519 58 24
    Born 10 February 1943, Grosse Pointe Farms, Michigan
    Active duty since 22 August 1961
    Mother: Florence McCullum Graves, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    Father: deceased
    Died in Naval Security Group (intelligence) Department spaces
    Buried: Arlington National Cemetery, Grave #3773, Section 67
    Remembrance: Memorial display planned for Military and Space Museum,
    Frankenmuth, Michigan (dedication summer 1990).
    Remembrance: Graves Hall (barracks) in Pensacola, Florida.






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    John Spicher




    There was a very happy day in Brackenridge, Pennsylvania. The date...February 15, 1937. The day began normally for John and Marion Spicher but a special event would forever etch this date in history. Their son, John, was born and he fulfilled their dreams.
    John attended St. Joseph's school in Natrona, PA, and was given the nickname Butch. This was a fond acknowledgment of a gentle giant who liked to fish. He was a great cook to boot and baking was his specialty. He also enjoyed auto mechanics and was known to take his car apart and put it back together, just for fun. His reputation was known throughout the community and the name, John Spicher, was recognized by all.






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    Philippe Charles Tiedtke


    CT3 Philippe Charles Tiedtke, USN, 914 32 84
    Born 17 October 1944, Santa Cruz, California
    Active duty since 2 September 1964
    Parents: Mr. & Mrs. Arthur L. Tiedtke, Modesto, CA
    Died in Naval Security Group (intelligence) Department spaces
    Buried: Lakewood Memorial Park, Hughson, CA






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    Robert Burton Eisenberg




    Bob Eisenberg and his best friend, Ted Plante, enlisted in the Navy together in February, 1964, about 18 months after graduation from high school. After boot camp together, Bob went to CT school and Ted went to ET school.
    The two stayed in frequent touch and coordinated leave together just before Bob's assignment to USS Liberty. During that leave, Bob bought his dream car, a 1967 Pontiac Grand Prix convertible and the two double-dated until they returned to their respective duty stations. Bob promised to return one day for his best friend's wedding. Liberty sailed from Norfolk on her last deployment May 2, 1967.


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