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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    You don't believe in personal property rights?
    I don't believe in murder. And the property you are trying to protect you are only renting anyway. Try not paying your property tax and see what happens.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You didn't even watch the video, the logic isn't flawed, obviously yours is.
    I assumed, wrongly I guess, that you were intelligent enough to defend your own video. You said that the logic of the video was that we shouldn't brain drain from lower IQ countries. I pointed out that many of the countries where the H1B visas are coming from have higher aggregate math and science scores than the U.S. So I will not be bullied into watching your stupid video just because you lack the intelligence needed to defend it.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  4. #63
    So Trump spends time with Randal over the weekend, and a couple days later announces a 'nickel' plan in regards to department budgets. I'm sure that's just a coincidence.

  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I assumed, wrongly I guess, that you were intelligent enough to defend your own video. You said that the logic of the video was that we shouldn't brain drain from lower IQ countries. I pointed out that many of the countries where the H1B visas are coming from have higher aggregate math and science scores than the U.S. So I will not be bullied into watching your stupid video just because you lack the intelligence needed to defend it.
    That wasn't "the point" of the video, it's a long conversation with many solid arguments strung together.

    And you are wrong about what you just said because H1B Visas STILL tend to take the highest IQ people from those places, while countries like India have an average IQ of 82.. but that is still a side note and irrelevant to the main points.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    That wasn't "the point" of the video
    There was no point to the video. You're just shilling and wasting my time. You always do that.

    And you are wrong about what you just said because H1B Visas STILL tend to take the highest IQ people from those places, while countries like India have an average IQ of 82.. but that is still a side note and irrelevant to the main points.
    There is no "main point." You haven't made a point in years. You are just trying to get people to watch stupid videos. You made a claim that was proven wrong and now you can't let it go. There is a phrase for your condition. It's called stuck on stupid.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    There was no point to the video. You're just shilling and wasting my time. You always do that.
    I suppose that's why you just posted the two hour G. Edward Griffin video that I posted for you a while back to explain Rand's strategy.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I suppose that's why you just posted the two hour G. Edward Griffin video that I posted for you a while back to explain Rand's strategy.
    Mmm....I saw that video before you ever posted it so don't flatter yourself kiddo.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I don't believe in murder. And the property you are trying to protect you are only renting anyway. Try not paying your property tax and see what happens.
    Your logic is flawed but even if we accept it that means the government owns the land and has a right to shoot trespassers.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Mmm....I saw that video before you ever posted it so don't flatter yourself kiddo.
    Right, but I was the one posting it a half dozen times or so on the forum when people were complaining about Rand going along to get along with Trump.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Right, but I was the one posting it a half dozen times or so on the forum when people were complaining about Rand going along to get along with Trump.
    I saw that video before Rand ever ran for senate in the first place chump.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I saw that video before Rand ever ran for senate in the first place chump.
    Ya, I saw it in 2007 too, but I've been posting it consistently for about 2 years to help illustrate Rand's strategy to people.

    You don't seem to understand that this sort of dismantles your argument that I post worthless videos, because the video you just posted is one I have posted more than any other single video to illustrate precisely the same point.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Your logic is flawed but even if we accept it that means the government owns the land and has a right to shoot trespassers.
    Nobody has the right to kill someone just for crossing land. But thank you for proving my earlier point that there is a lot of nativist crap being pushed on these forums these days. Dannno was pretending that was an isolated incident.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Ya, I saw it in 2007 too, but I've been posting it consistently for a year and a half to help illustrate Rand's strategy to people.

    You don't seem to understand that this sort of dismantles your argument that I post worthless videos, because the video you just posted is one I have posted more than any other single video.
    So your logic is that because you re-posted a video that I had already posted that means that every other video that you post is worthwhile? That...that's your argument is it?
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    So your logic is that because you re-posted a video that I had already posted that means that every other video that you post is worthwhile? That...that's your argument is it?
    No, but that's a great example of how you always twist everything I say around backward.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Nobody has the right to kill someone just for crossing land. But thank you for proving my earlier point that there is a lot of nativist crap being pushed on these forums these days. Dannno was pretending that was an isolated incident.
    Trespassers will be shot isn't nativist and neither am I, I believe in some immigration.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    No, but that's a great example of how you always twist everything I say around backward.
    What is the twist? I said you posted worthless videos. I never said every video you've ever posted was worthless.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trespassers will be shot isn't nativist and neither am I, I believe in some immigration.
    Nowhere in the definition of nativist is the idea that you can't believe in some immigration.

    Definition of nativism. 1 : a policy of favoring native inhabitants as opposed to immigrants.
    2 : the revival or perpetuation of an indigenous culture especially in opposition to acculturation.


    And you're right. You're worse than a nativist. Sorry to put down nativists.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    What is the twist? I said you posted worthless videos. I never said every video you've ever posted was worthless.
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    There was no point to the video. You're just shilling and wasting my time. You always do that.
    ..
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    So Trump spends time with Randal over the weekend, and a couple days later announces a 'nickel' plan in regards to department budgets. I'm sure that's just a coincidence.
    Taken straight from Rand's "penny plan". But, it don't mean nothing.


  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    ..
    And since Trump has been elected you have been a perpetual time waster.

    Meanwhile, while I have wasted time with you, in a chatroom I've helped explain to a 19 y/o girl who was trying to get me to vote for Ted Cruz' democratic opponent (even though I'm from Tennessee, not Texas), why both parties suck. She actually seemed to be getting it so tonight hasn't been a total waste.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 10-17-2018 at 09:56 PM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    And since Trump has been elected you have been a perpetual time waster.
    Even though during that time the video I posted the most was the one you just posted..
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Even though during that time the video I posted the most was the one you just posted..
    Well you haven't needed to post it to me because I understood Rand's strategy before most people did. I made peace with the anti-liberty things he was saying while he was running. I knew it wouldn't stop after that. So good for you that you caught up with me years later. Maybe years later you will catch up and realize that people running around talking about how women and children should be killed for crossing a border isn't good for the liberty movement. Then again, maybe you won't ever figure that out.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Nowhere in the definition of nativist is the idea that you can't believe in some immigration.

    Definition of nativism. 1 : a policy of favoring native inhabitants as opposed to immigrants.
    2 : the revival or perpetuation of an indigenous culture especially in opposition to acculturation.


    And you're right. You're worse than a nativist. Sorry to put down nativists.
    If that is your definition of nativism then I am a proud nativist as should be every decent human being.

    Trespassers will be shot is a time honored legal tradition and so is preventing hordes of invaders from stealing our country in blatant violation of our overly generous immigration laws.

    Being a woman or a child isn't a license to break any law you want.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    If that is your definition of nativism then I am a proud nativist as should be every decent human being.

    Trespassers will be shot is a time honored legal tradition and so is preventing hordes of invaders from stealing our country in blatant violation of our overly generous immigration laws.

    Being a woman or a child isn't a license to break any law you want.
    Well thankfully most states don't give you a license to kill everyone who breaks any law. "There's a shoplifter! Gun her down!"
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  29. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Well thankfully most states don't give you a license to kill everyone who breaks any law. "There's a shoplifter! Gun her down!"
    It can be debated how serious a crime has to be before deadly force is legitimate but a man's home is his castle and his land is his demesne.

    Our national territory is even more serious since those who invade will affect my liberty as much or more than those who trespass on my personal land.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  30. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It can be debated how serious a crime has to be before deadly force is legitimate but a man's home is his castle and his land is his demesne.

    Our national territory is even more serious since those who invade will affect my liberty as much or more than those who trespass on my personal land.
    And this is where that thinking leads. But it's okay. She deserved to die. /sarcasm


    http://www.briseniaflores.com/home2.html
    The picture you see to the left is of a precious child named Brisenia Flores. She beams an awkward little smile for the photographer that is common in children of that age. But unlike other children, Brisenia will never again flash that beautiful smile to a photographer, or to anyone else for that matter. That is because on March 30 of this year, Brisenia, who was nine years old at the time, was murdered in her home by armed members of a right-wing paramilitary group. Right-wing militias, deaths squads and other paramilitary organizations were relatively common in Latin America during the tumultuous 1980s, and their horrendous crimes and history of cruel human rights abuses are well known and have been extensively documented by human rights groups. What makes Brisenia's murder different isn't just that the crime ocurred more recently, but that it ocurred on American soil, and that the violent paramilitary organization that murdered her while she recoiled and wept, pleading for her life, was an American terrorist organization known as the Minutemen American Defense organization, a group whose founder, Shawna Forde, has well established ties to larger and better known anti-immigrant groups such as the Minutemen and FAIR, the Federation For American Immigration Reform (Forde once claimed to be a spokesperson for FAIR on television, though that group denies she was a member).

    I did not personally know Brisenia or her family, but reading of the crime moved me deeply. The American political scene has of late been dominated by a dark and dangerous undercurrent of nativist, anti-immigrant demagoguery served up by irresponsible propagandists such as CNN's Lou Dobbs and Fox New's Bill O'Reilly and race-baiting politicians such as U.S. Congressman Tom Tancredo among many, many others. As a Chicano this vicious hate-mongering concerns me personally. We are a nation of immigrants who ourselves bear the mark of Cain for the crimes our ancestors committed against the original inhabitants of this land. The discussion of any issues and concerns that might arise from the flow of people and goods accross our nation's Southern border should not and cannot be left solely to the dark voices of hatred and divisiveness that daily pollute our radio waves and cheapen our political discourse.

    In the coming days, weeks and months, I hope to continue to develop this site so that it can be of service in promoting a more humane vision of America's future and a reasonable approach to understanding and living with with our brothers and sisters to the South (and those from China, Korea, Poland, Mali, Haiti, and elsewhere) who seek the promise of freedom and prosperity that America has held out to others for centuries:

    "Give me your tired, your poor,your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

    Perhaps this way Brisenia's tragic, untimely death will not have been wholly in vain.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    And this is where that thinking leads. But it's okay. She deserved to die. /sarcasm


    http://www.briseniaflores.com/home2.html
    The picture you see to the left is of a precious child named Brisenia Flores. She beams an awkward little smile for the photographer that is common in children of that age. But unlike other children, Brisenia will never again flash that beautiful smile to a photographer, or to anyone else for that matter. That is because on March 30 of this year, Brisenia, who was nine years old at the time, was murdered in her home by armed members of a right-wing paramilitary group. Right-wing militias, deaths squads and other paramilitary organizations were relatively common in Latin America during the tumultuous 1980s, and their horrendous crimes and history of cruel human rights abuses are well known and have been extensively documented by human rights groups. What makes Brisenia's murder different isn't just that the crime ocurred more recently, but that it ocurred on American soil, and that the violent paramilitary organization that murdered her while she recoiled and wept, pleading for her life, was an American terrorist organization known as the Minutemen American Defense organization, a group whose founder, Shawna Forde, has well established ties to larger and better known anti-immigrant groups such as the Minutemen and FAIR, the Federation For American Immigration Reform (Forde once claimed to be a spokesperson for FAIR on television, though that group denies she was a member).

    I did not personally know Brisenia or her family, but reading of the crime moved me deeply. The American political scene has of late been dominated by a dark and dangerous undercurrent of nativist, anti-immigrant demagoguery served up by irresponsible propagandists such as CNN's Lou Dobbs and Fox New's Bill O'Reilly and race-baiting politicians such as U.S. Congressman Tom Tancredo among many, many others. As a Chicano this vicious hate-mongering concerns me personally. We are a nation of immigrants who ourselves bear the mark of Cain for the crimes our ancestors committed against the original inhabitants of this land. The discussion of any issues and concerns that might arise from the flow of people and goods accross our nation's Southern border should not and cannot be left solely to the dark voices of hatred and divisiveness that daily pollute our radio waves and cheapen our political discourse.

    In the coming days, weeks and months, I hope to continue to develop this site so that it can be of service in promoting a more humane vision of America's future and a reasonable approach to understanding and living with with our brothers and sisters to the South (and those from China, Korea, Poland, Mali, Haiti, and elsewhere) who seek the promise of freedom and prosperity that America has held out to others for centuries:

    "Give me your tired, your poor,your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

    Perhaps this way Brisenia's tragic, untimely death will not have been wholly in vain.
    Boo Hoo.

    Cuteness isn't a license to break the law and invade the US.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Boo Hoo.

    Cuteness isn't a license to break the law and invade the US.
    Right. Hatred is license to break into someone's house, rob him, murder him and his 10 year old girl, because sometime earlier they broke the law. Okay. @dannno, this is exactly what I was talking about. Now post a video to defend it. I'm sure Stefan has something.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  34. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Right. Hatred is license to break into someone's house, rob him, murder him and his 10 year old girl, because sometime earlier they broke the law. Okay. @dannno, this is exactly what I was talking about. Now post a video to defend it. I'm sure Stefan has something.
    I'm not clear on the details of the case but you are trying to claim invaders can't be shot as they cross the border.

    Deportation is the preferred action for those already here but any law enforcement action can lead to deadly force.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I don't believe in murder. And the property you are trying to protect you are only renting anyway. Try not paying your property tax and see what happens.
    Lame.

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