Rand Paul speech at MAGA rally in Richmond, KY - 10/13/18

[r3volution 3.0]

So apparently the reward for abandoning one's principles is getting to share a stage with Trump.

This is grotesque.

[nikcers]

Sometimes in battle or when you are gambling a push or a stalemate is the "winning" outcome especially when there you are faced with an unstoppable force. When faced with an unstoppable force the best option is to redirect that force, tap into its energy and harness it for your own means.

[homahr]

So apparently the reward for abandoning one's principles is getting to share a stage with Trump.

Sounds like a good deal to me.

[Aratus]

It certainly sounded like a bigly YUGE & great deal to DJT!
He gets free airtime into southern Ohio from the KY rally!!!

[Aratus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUPtH8EqziI

Yep...

[loveshiscountry]

So apparently the reward for abandoning one's principles is getting to share a stage with Trump.

He's not abandoning his principles. You are.

[Aratus]

Be nice to the LIBERTY HOBBIT. He may eventually run for public office at this rate.

[jmdrake]

So apparently the reward for abandoning one's principles is getting to share a stage with Trump.

The strategy Rand Paul has been using since he first started running for senate.



That said, Rand's speech contained none of the nativist crap that has been so popular with much of RPF these days.

[dannno]

The strategy Rand Paul has been using since he first started running for senate.



That said, Rand's speech contained none of the nativist crap that has been so popular with much of RPF these days.

Not nativist

[jmdrake]

Not nativist
*Posted a byllshyt video that has nothing to do with anything I said.

Dannno, I had a nativist jackass here ask me repeatedly if I would support the right of individual landowners murdering women and children who might cross their land to get into this country. That is nativist in the worst way. The people screaming to end H1B visas are also being nativist. They aren't trying to keep people out because they are "poor" or "ignorant" but as some kind of jobs program. So go suck an egg.

[Aratus]

The stripping away of funds Congress has allocated
by a diversion to DJT's "pet" projects is very likely illegal
and one of the grounds for his Impeachment. This 170 million
to 200 million dollar figure can trigger a Senate Trial if half
the U.S House of Representatives is angry at this all.

[dannno]

Dannno, I had a nativist jackass here ask me repeatedly if I would support the right of individual landowners murdering women and children who might cross their land to get into this country. That is nativist in the worst way. The people screaming to end H1B visas are also being nativist. They aren't trying to keep people out because they are "poor" or "ignorant" but as some kind of jobs program. So go suck an egg.

Actually the video had everything to do with what you said.. it's pretty early on, Tom Woods asks how Stef went from being an open borders advocate who said politicians used immigration to scare people - to supporting Trump and the border wall. He steps through the entire process of what changed his mind and why, and what his current beliefs are. Tom Woods then asks him if he considers himself a white nationalist, which of course Stef says absolutely not and explains his positioning on that.

You will always be able to pick out individuals who take things a little too far, but the main points still stand. If we have open immigration, there is absolutely no hope of having a free society and we will devolve into a corrupt socialist hell hole. If you disagree, you're simply wrong, because that is how the facts line up. The information and the data is all out there.

[jmdrake]

You will always be able to pick out individuals who take things a little too far

And that's called being nativist you retard. Also why do you think I pointed out the opposition to H1B visas? If it was all about "keeping out people who aren't intelligent enough to understand liberty" then there wouldn't be a push to keep out the smartest people in the world.

[dannno]

And that's called being nativist you retard. Also why do you think I pointed out the opposition to H1B visas? If it was all about "keeping out people who aren't intelligent enough to understand liberty" then there wouldn't be a push to keep out the smartest people in the world.

I'm not a retard and I'm not a nativist and almost no Trump supporter is a nativist..

Everything else you are saying is discussed in the video.

Why would we want to take the smartest people from countries with low IQ? How is that good for those countries? Have you ever heard of brain drain?

We would be better off if those countries were better off - and that requires they keep their smart people.

[jmdrake]

I'm not a retard and I'm not a nativist and almost no Trump supporter is a nativist..

The Trump supporter I described as wanting me to grant him permission to kill women and children crossing the border is a nativist. And this isn't hypothetical. This crap has already happened.

Everything else you are saying is discussed in the video.

Why would we want to take the smartest people from countries with low IQ? How is that good for those countries? Have you ever heard of brain drain?

Because I believe in freedom? Something you seem to have no concept about? And the people with the H1B visas are not coming from low IQ countries. They are coming from countries with higher math and science scores than the U.S. Singapore, Hong Kong, China, Japan, South Korea, even freaking Viet Nam all have higher math and science scores than the U.S. So yeah. Those countries will not at all be hurt by a few geniuses leaving.

We would be better off if those countries were better off - and that requires they keep their smart people.

We would be better off if the industries that need their talent leave the U.S.?

[dannno]

The Trump supporter I described as wanting me to grant him permission to kill women and children crossing the border is a nativist. And this isn't hypothetical. This crap has already happened.



Because I believe in freedom? Something you seem to have no concept about? And the people with the H1B visas are not coming from low IQ countries. They are coming from countries with higher math and science scores than the U.S. Singapore, Hong Kong, China, Japan, South Korea, even freaking Viet Nam all have higher math and science scores than the U.S. So yeah. Those countries will not at all be hurt by a few geniuses leaving.



We would be better off if the industries that need their talent leave the U.S.?

Ya, see, you don't get it it all. You're not even trying.

There is two sides to this and you are ignoring the other side. You pretend your side is the "freedom" side when it's the opposite.

I'm not going to write it all out again, but I posted a video that explains the whole thing in less than 10 minutes.

If you want to make some valid arguments you should go through that first.

Right now you're just sounding like an NPC, you are making statements that are irrelevant and nonsensical.

[jmdrake]

Ya, see, you don't get it it all. You're not even trying.

I do get it. Murder = bad. You are trying to pretend people that feel that way don't exist. I didn't say everyone that is for tighter immigration is a nativist. But some are. You are just an idiot.

[Swordsmyth]

Be nice to the LIBERTY HOBBIT. He may eventually run for public office at this rate.

If he does I will then be nicer to him.

[dannno]

I do get it. Murder = bad. You are trying to pretend people that feel that way don't exist. I didn't say everyone that is for tighter immigration is a nativist. But some are. You are just an idiot.

No, I'm not an idiot, and nothing you just said is relevant or makes any sense at all. Yes, some people against immigration are nativists. As long as they don't want to hurt anybody, I don't care.. but even if they do, it doesn't make them wrong about how open immigration in a welfare state decreases their freedom more than the people coming to rob the welfare state. It just makes them wrong about wanting to hurt people.

[jmdrake]

No, I'm not an idiot, and nothing you just said is relevant or makes any sense at all.

It doesn't make sense because you are an idiot and/or dishonest and you have been for some time. I made the comment about there being nativists here, which there are, and like a total a$$hole you claimed there were not based on some video of Tom Woods and Stefan Molenuex. I didn't say Tom Woods and Stefan Molenuex are nativists.

Yes, some people against immigration are nativists. As long as they don't want to hurt anybody, I don't care.

And that was my original point. There are nativists here and some of them actually want to hurt people. This is one of those "if the shoe doesn't fit then don't wear it" moments.

[dannno]

It doesn't make sense because you are an idiot and/or dishonest and you have been for some time. I made the comment about there being nativists here, which there are, and like a total a$$hole you claimed there were not based on some video of Tom Woods and Stefan Molenuex. I didn't say Tom Woods and Stefan Molenuex are nativists.



And that was my original point. There are nativists here and some of them actually want to hurt people. This is one of those "if the shoe doesn't fit then don't wear it" moments.

I didn't say there were no nativists, there may be, but the point is the arguments for enforcing immigration are not based on that concept nor should the existence of those individuals be used to smear those valid arguments.

[jmdrake]

The strategy Rand Paul has been using since he first started running for senate.



That said, Rand's speech contained none of the nativist crap that has been so popular with much of RPF these days.

Not nativist

I didn't say there were no nativists, there may be, but the point is the arguments for enforcing immigration are not based on that concept nor should the existence of those individuals be used to smear those valid arguments.

And for the record nothing from Mr. "defoower" is worth is worth my time anyway. But I specifically pointed out people who, on these forums, wanted to kill as in murder people just for crossing their land to get into the U.S. And no, I don't think the "We want to help other low IQ countries by preventing a brain drain" argument is valid either as the U.S. is academically behind many of the countries were the H1-B visa types are coming from. Lastly, I doubt you even know what the term nativist means.

[dannno]

And for the record nothing from Mr. "defoower" is worth is worth my time anyway. But I specifically pointed out people who, on these forums, wanted to kill as in murder people just for crossing their land to get into the U.S. And no, I don't think the "We want to help other low IQ countries by preventing a brain drain" argument is valid either as the U.S. is academically behind many of the countries were the H1-B visa types are coming from. Lastly, I doubt you even know what the term nativist means.

You said nativist crap is popular here, but the arguments that are popular here for why we should enforce immigration laws are not nativist arguments.

[jmdrake]

You said nativist crap is popular here, but the arguments that are popular here for why we should enforce immigration laws are not nativist arguments.

Nativist crap is popular here. I gave you an example. You ignored it and went on your never ending quest to pimp Stefan Molyneaux. You must have shares in his ad revenues or something.

Edit: And you also ignored this.

And no, I don't think the "We want to help other low IQ countries by preventing a brain drain" argument is valid either as the U.S. is academically behind many of the countries were the H1-B visa types are coming from. Lastly, I doubt you even know what the term nativist means.

[dannno]

Nativist crap is popular here. I gave you an example. You ignored it and went on your never ending quest to pimp Stefan Molyneaux. You must have shares in his ad revenues or something.

Edit: And you also ignored this.

And no, I don't think the "We want to help other low IQ countries by preventing a brain drain" argument is valid either as the U.S. is academically behind many of the countries were the H1-B visa types are coming from. Lastly, I doubt you even know what the term nativist means.

You are equating having a convo with a nativist to nativist crap being popular here..

I supplied you with plenty of arguments that were not nativist, and you came up with a bunch of other attacks against me that were completely unrelated.

[idiom]

Sometimes in battle or when you are gambling a push or a stalemate is the "winning" outcome especially when there you are faced with an unstoppable force. When faced with an unstoppable force the best option is to redirect that force, tap into its energy and harness it for your own means.

That sounds really really vampirically rapey

[nikcers]

That sounds really really vampirically rapey

Oddly enough death is an unstoppable force that you can delay with the blood of innocence... Blood doping is what rich people can do now so that means that in the future everyone will be doing it right?

[jmdrake]

You are equating having a convo with a nativist to nativist crap being popular here..

I supplied you with plenty of arguments that were not nativist, and you came up with a bunch of other attacks against me that were completely unrelated.

You really have said jack dannno and you normally don't. I talked about what was being discussed here. You used the opportunity to whore for your favorite pimp. And when I pointed out that your pimp's logic is flawed you didn't address it. Game, set, match.

[phill4paul]

Dannno, I had a nativist jackass here ask me repeatedly if I would support the right of individual landowners murdering women and children who might cross their land to get into this country. That is nativist in the worst way. The people screaming to end H1B visas are also being nativist. They aren't trying to keep people out because they are "poor" or "ignorant" but as some kind of jobs program. So go suck an egg.

You don't believe in personal property rights?

[dannno]

You really have said jack dannno and you normally don't. I talked about what was being discussed here. You used the opportunity to whore for your favorite pimp. And when I pointed out that your pimp's logic is flawed you didn't address it. Game, set, match.

You didn't even watch the video, the logic isn't flawed, obviously yours is.