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  1. #1

    Would you support ending all US foreign aid immediately?

    Even if some foreign parasite states militaries may have become addicted to US taxpayers welfare aid,
    Even if powerful lobbies of some foreign countries with deep pockets and expertise in buying US politicians may oppose this fiercely,
    Even if it required fearless MAGA to return all money from his largest donor and zionist casino owner Sheldon Adelson,
    Would you support US ending all foreign aid immediately?

    Humnitarian aid could continue through private charity groups.


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    It depends what we're getting in return for these bribes.

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    We only gave Nigeria FOUR DOLLARS? That sounds about right. They make more money off of us with their Prince Bank scams.

    All we are doing with Foreign Aid is taking money from Poor People in Rich Countries and giving it to Rich People in Poor Countries.
    1776 > 1984

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    We only gave Nigeria FOUR DOLLARS? That sounds about right. They make more money off of us with their Prince Bank scams.

    All we are doing with Foreign Aid is taking money from Poor People in Rich Countries and giving it to Rich People in Poor Countries.
    do you know what per capita means?

  7. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    do you know what per capita means?
    Do you know what humor is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Do you know what humor is?
    No. I am a communist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Do you know what humor is?
    evidently not, and by the looks of it, neither damiantv



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    Foreign aid isn't wrong in principle.

    It has to be judged case by case, the criterion being whether there is a net gain or loss for liberty.

    The taxation required to finance it is always a loss.

    So, the question is what (if any) gain the expenditures bring about.

    If giving $100 million to some state prevents a revolution which would cause $50 billion damages to people and property, that's a net gain.

    This is the same reasoning used to justify the state in general (contra anarchy); harm from minimal taxes < harm from chaos.

  12. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    If giving $100 million to some state prevents a revolution which would cause $50 billion damages to people and property, that's a net gain.
    According to the broken window fallacy?

  13. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Foreign aid isn't wrong in principle.

    It has be judged case by case, the criterion being whether there is a net gain or loss for liberty.

    The taxation required to finance it is always a loss.

    So, the question is what (if any) gain the expenditures bring about.

    If giving $100 million to some state prevents a revolution which would cause $50 billion damages to people and property, that's a net gain.
    It's never a gain to our citizens and it is like patting the tarbaby on the back instead of punching it, you still get tangled up in a ghastly mess either way.
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  14. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's never a gain to our citizens
    That's irrelevant.

    The question is whether the policy promotes human liberty or not.

    ...

    Regarding the poll, by the way, I'd answer no, pending a case by case review of each program.

    If it turned out that none of them brought about a net gain for liberty, I'd eliminate them all immediately.

    I suspect that the vast majority of them should be scrapped, but I can't say with certainty that they all should be.

  15. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    That's irrelevant.

    The question is whether the policy promotes human liberty or not.

    ...

    Regarding the poll, by the way, I'd answer no, pending a case by case review of each program.

    If it turned out that none of them brought about a net gain for liberty, I'd eliminate them all immediately.

    I suspect that the vast majority of them should be scrapped, but I can't say with certainty that they all should be.
    Just the kind of globalist nonsense I expected from you.
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  16. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Just the kind of globalist nonsense I expected from you.
    You value an individual's liberty by the coincidence of his geographical location.

    I don't make that arbitrary distinction.

    If that makes me a "globalist," okay.

    It makes you not a libertarian.

  17. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Foreign aid isn't wrong in principle.s.
    Yes it is. Foreign welfare is wrong in principal. Taxation is theft. Using theft for wealth redistribution, bribery, cronyism, market distortion, whatever - its still theft.

    It has to be judged case by case, the criterion being whether there is a net gain or loss for liberty.
    Wrong. Taxation is theft. Entertaining the very concept that its Ok to steal to "spend on things we overlords deem good for you" is a net loss for liberty. Entertaining the notion that government knows best how to spend your earnings is a net loss for liberty.

    The taxation required to finance it is always a loss.
    Taxation is always theft.

    So, the question is what (if any) gain the expenditures bring about.
    That's not the question. the question is do you have a right to keep your own earnings and decide for yourself how to spend them? Do overlords have a right to steal your labor? You want to donate your own earnings to make politicians richer and more powerful in foreign countries, go ahead. But you have no right to steal other peoples wealth to do so.

    If giving $100 million to some state prevents a revolution which would cause $50 billion damages to people and property, that's a net gain.
    If you believe that, than give your own $100 million or set up a charity fund to request voluntary donations, but you have no right to steal from others to spend their labor on the latest foreign welfare scheme.

    This is the same reasoning used to justify the state in general (contra anarchy); harm from minimal taxes < harm from chaos.
    Yup, the cry that "we know how best to run your life" and "we know best how to spend your money" its the same baseless reasoning used to justify all the government violence and bribery and welfare and other corruption schemes.
    Last edited by AZJoe; 10-14-2018 at 03:05 PM.
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    So, @AZJoe, I take it you're an anarcho-capitalist?



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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    You value an individual's liberty by the coincidence of his geographical location.

    I don't make that arbitrary distinction.

    If that makes me a "globalist," okay.

    It makes you not a libertarian.
    I value my own liberty first and that of those I am connected to proportional to my connection to them, that makes me a libertarian.

    You believe that you can interfere in foreign countries without becoming tyrannical or undermining your own people's belief in liberty, that makes you a deluded globalist.
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  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I value my own liberty first and that of those I am connected to proportional to my connection to them
    Right

    that makes me a libertarian
    No, that's precisely where you diverge from libertarianism.

    You're a nationalist first. Only within the bounds of nationalism do you support libertarian principles (which are universal).

    You believe that you can interfere in foreign countries the neighboring town without becoming tyrannical or undermining your own people's belief in liberty, that makes you a deluded globalist statist.
    What is, the unsound argument that anarchists make against minarchists?

  22. #19
    Where Is the choice for F YES! ?

    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

  23. #20
    Yes I would. Foreign aid is talking money from poor people in rich countries and giving it to rich people in poor countries.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Right



    No, that's precisely where you diverge from libertarianism.

    You're a nationalist first. Only within the bounds of nationalism do you support libertarian principles (which are universal).
    I support libertarian principles universally but I don't believe I have a right or a duty to take from my family, friends, neighbors and countrymen to force them on others.



    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    What is, the unsound argument that anarchists make against minarchists?
    There is a difference between the country in which I live that affects me and those who are connected to me and a foreign country that doesn't, the country in which I live is more than large enough to protect my rights and therefore I have no right to impose liberty beyond its bounds at the expense of my fellow citizens.

    That's libertarianism.
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  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I value my own liberty first and that of those I am connected to proportional to my connection to them, that makes me a libertarian.

    You believe that you can interfere in foreign countries without becoming tyrannical or undermining your own people's belief in liberty, that makes you a deluded globalist.
    I figured this guy was a closet Hillary supporter. Something was off when he was against Trump despite him being a non politician which him getting elected alone ends career politics.

  26. #23
    "On foreign aid, that should be the easiest thing to cut. It's not authorized in the Constitution that we can take money from you and give it to particular countries around the world. To me, foreign aid is taking money from poor people in this country and giving it to rich people in poor countries." - Dr. Ron Paul

    Last edited by AZJoe; 10-13-2018 at 07:41 PM.
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  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by dude58677 View Post
    I figured this guy was a closet Hillary supporter. Something was off when he was against Trump despite him being a non politician which him getting elected alone ends career politics.
    He is either a sincere globalist monarchist who wants to see America collapse under a Venezuela type regime because he imagines that a Napoleon will arise and create a perfect fantasy monarchy or that is just his cover story for being a Demoncrat operative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I support libertarian principles universally
    No, you support them until they conflict with nationalist principles, in which case you side with the latter.

    but I don't believe I have a right or a duty to take from my family, friends, neighbors and countrymen to force them on others
    You don't have a problem with taking from Peter to secure Paul's rights, provided that Peter and Paul belong to the same nation.

    In other words, you recognize that socialized security (i.e. the state) is justified on libertarian grounds (minimizing aggression), but refuse to extend this logic across national borders, because doing so conflicts with your nationalist principles. Hence, as I say, your nationalism take priority over your libertarianism when the two conflict.

    There is a difference between the country in which I live that affects me and those who are connected to me and a foreign country that doesn't, the country in which I live is more than large enough to protect my rights and therefore I have no right to impose liberty beyond its bounds at the expense of my fellow citizens.

    That's libertarianism.
    No, that's nationalism. As explained above, the distinction that you make between intra-national and inter-national socialization of security (i.e. Peter paying for Paul's security v. Peter paying for Jose's security) is not based on libertarian principles, but on nationalist principles. As you made quite clear in the Dalai Lama thread recently, you are opposed to foreign intervention because it violates the "collective rights" which you allege a nation has, regardless of whether the intervention would promote individual rights (<---those are what libertarianism is about).

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    No, you support them until they conflict with nationalist principles, in which case you side with the latter.



    You don't have a problem with taking from Peter to secure Paul's rights, provided that Peter and Paul belong to the same nation.

    In other words, you recognize that socialized security (i.e. the state) is justified on libertarian grounds (minimizing aggression), but refuse to extend this logic across national borders, because doing so conflicts with your nationalist principles. Hence, as I say, your nationalism take priority over your libertarianism when the two conflict.
    I refuse to do so because extending the principle across national borders doesn't minimize aggression and because even if it did I don't have a right to minimize aggression at the expense of others any farther than is justified by my right to defend my own rights.

    You have a god complex and believe you have a right to impose your beliefs about what is right as far as you possibly can.



    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    No, that's nationalism. As explained above, the distinction that you make between intra-national and inter-national socialization of security (i.e. Peter paying for Paul's security v. Peter paying for Jose's security) is not based on libertarian principles, but on nationalist principles. As you made quite clear in the Dalai Lama thread recently, you are opposed to foreign intervention because it violates the "collective rights" which you allege a nation has, regardless of whether the intervention would promote individual rights (<---those are what libertarianism is about).
    It is both nationalism and libertarianism, you can't violate the rights of others at home or abroad any further than your right to self defense justifies.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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  31. #27
    I think that stopping it all at once would be counterproductive, but yes.
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    Trump hasn't even been in 6 months, you can't call him a boondoggle President unless he has overseen a military boondoggle for at least a year or two.

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  32. #28
    @Swordsmyth

    Do nations have collective rights?

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    @Swordsmyth

    Do nations have collective rights?
    I have told you before that they do, they are an extension of the individual rights of the citizens, specifically their rights to defend their rights.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I have told you before that they do
    And intervention violates these national rights?

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