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Best case scenerio, Trump would have been forced to go with someone better as the nominee.
Worst case scenario, Rand is the lone guy standing up for principle and makes a great case as to why Kavanaugh shouldn't be on the court and the 4th Amendment / Patriot Act gets discussed forefront and center of the news for days or weeks on end shaming both parties who participated in it, but ultimately Kavanaugh gets confirmed anyway and Rand takes a lot of heat but in the end stays steadfast.
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
Libertarians are the worst group when it comes to political strategy and actually getting results/stuff done. There is a reason they are irrelevant and have accomplished nothing. A group of 5 year olds can outproduce the results of Libertarians in the modern era. If we listened to the purist libertarians we would have president Hillary Clinton right now. They incrementally (not instantly) took over America and we will incrementally take it back, not instantly. The idea that we will magically elect only 100% pure libertarians and take back the government that way is beyond delusional. It has never worked and never will.
Trump is doing more for the liberty movement than any purist Libertarian ever will.
"Countries are benefited when they changed these [national sovereignty] policies, and evidence suggests that North Americans are ready for a new relationship that renders this old definition of sovereignty obsolete."
CFR task force co-chairman Robert Pastor
"Countries are benefited when they changed these [national sovereignty] policies, and evidence suggests that North Americans are ready for a new relationship that renders this old definition of sovereignty obsolete."
CFR task force co-chairman Robert Pastor
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
All that still can't prove innocence, though.
If an accuser and the accused were actually in the same place same time alone 25 years ago and nothing happened, how does the accused defend himself? No amount of recordkeeping short of real-time, full time video and/or monitoring of vital signs could reasonably establish innocence, and even then there would still be instances where it would be ambiguous.
No, I think he's quite inteligent enough to understand that what happened to him makes the accused practically defenseless and turns it into a political question rather than a question of law. That's why he ripped into them in his defense, and rightly so. He already understood this on that day, that he was being tried for accusations against which a completely innocent person has no sure defense, in a political court rather than a court of law.
Regular people don't have access to national security collections to make defense cases, either. Not even he had access to that for his defense.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
THE SQUAD of RPF
1. enhanced_deficit - Paid Troll / John Bolton book promoter
2. Devil21 - LARPing Wizard, fake magical script reader
3. Firestarter - Tax Troll; anti-tax = "criminal behavior"
4. TheCount - Comet Pizza Pedo Denier <-- sick
@Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF =troll:
Who spends this much time copy/pasting the same recycled links, photos/talking points.
7 yrs/25k posts later RPF'ers still respond to this troll
Outside very rare circumstances, he has no power to change the outcome of votes.
The only real benefit to the liberty movement of having Senator Paul is that he can make a lot of noise.
Senators get a lot more press than some random guy waving a sign on the street corner.
But, as you say, Rand hasn't used this power very effectively in recent years.
With a Senate this tight, it is possible he may have had an opportunity here.
Rand has done a lot of good things besides making noise. He has forced votes and amendments that they didn't want to do. But that was mostly when Obama was in office. Now since it is Republicans in control of things he doesn't seem to be standing firm like he used to.
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
Not according to the final vote tally, but, yes, had he made some noise earlier, things might have changed.
The narrative would certainly have changed, which would have made it worthwhile.
I'd call that noise (not intended as a disparaging description of what he can do), except where it actually changed which bills passed.Rand has done a lot of good things besides making noise. He has forced votes and amendments that they didn't want to do. But that was mostly when Obama was in office. Now since it is Republicans in control of things he doesn't seem to be standing firm like he used to.
Think I found Zip.Originally Posted by AngelaTC
Twas matt all along.
Traffic here is dead.
And admit it, some people love to come here, just to laugh at Zip when he is wrong again.
You come to get your jabs in and mock him, etc.
He must be a foil.
Just like Kanye. Everybody hates Kanye, but everybody is talking about Kanye, and getting ratings for it.
But you gotta keep the tank stirring and boiling.
You gotta keep the flint on steel.
Yup.
Don't you think that treating the illness instead of symptoms is the only approach Rand Paul would take to any sort of problem? Rand was able to go on the news and criticize Trumps foreign policy on fox and Trumps supporters don't freak out about it because Rand is considered to be not opposition to the president.
Getting politicians on record for a vote is actually one of the most important things one can do as a legislator. This record can then be used against them to take them out or at least cause them pain the next election. Legislators like to do nothing but if you force them to go on record it exposes them. This is very useful come election time.
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
If you don't understand the nature of power, how it is acquired, and how it works, then you will end up chasing your tail. Having power is very different then having influence. You don't want influence, you want power.
The best analogy I can make is fiat currency vs owning hard assets.
Last edited by Matt Collins; 10-14-2018 at 10:16 AM.
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"A politician will do almost anything to keep their job, even become a patriot" - Hearst
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
Matt Collins is DEEP STATE.
Anyone not scared yet?
What are "your goals"? They sure aren't mine so don't say "our" like a collectivist. Apparently defending the 4th Amendment doesn't seem to be one of your "our goals" though.
I also remember you posting a picture essentially glorifying the image of King Trump.
Why is it that you seem to gravitate authoritarianism and put down liberty?
Who's the real snake in the grass?
Last edited by Anti-Neocon; 10-15-2018 at 01:35 PM.
The enemy of my enemy may be worse than my enemy.
I do not suffer from Trump Rearrangement Syndrome. Sorry if that triggers you.
Utter garbage, I support the 4thA and said many times I wanted someone better than Kavanaugh, the only times I posted Trump praising images were when he did good things and I never "put down liberty".
Matt has made it his mission in life to destroy the best Senator we have who has done more for liberty than Matt ever will over disagreements about strategy, he is the snake in the grass.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
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