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Last edited by osan; 10-09-2018 at 03:46 AM.
freedomisobvious.blogspot.com
There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.
It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.
Our words make us the ghosts that we are.
Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.
Third option, Its okay if the government executes the wrong people, as long as the government is strong and stable.
- Chinese attitude.
In New Zealand:
The Coastguard is a Charity
Air Traffic Control is a private company run on user fees
The DMV is a private non-profit
Rescue helicopters and ambulances are operated by charities and are plastered with corporate logos
The agriculture industry has zero subsidies
5% of the national vote, gets you 5 seats in Parliament
A tax return has 4 fields
Business licenses aren't a thing
Prostitution is legal
We have a constitutional right to refuse any type of medical care
I voted
Guilty should be punished. If "innocent" people get convicted its probably because they were of low moral character to begin with, e.g. drug users or anarchists
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Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!
My pronouns are he/him/his
In what context? In the general universe, the guilty needs to burn slowly, considering how much brazen evil is at work.
It's already codified in our law as Beyond a Reasonable Doubt.
There must be a balance but that balance should lean towards the protection of the innocent.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
"Balance"? What does that mean?
Is it OK to send a single innocent man to a cell or the gallows for the sake of "getting" the bad guys?
Where is that line to be drawn? How many innocents, proportionally speaking, constitute "acceptable losses" for the sake of "balance"?
That's some right dangerous speak you've written there. Please elaborate, because as things stand I see nothing good coming of this notion of "balance".
freedomisobvious.blogspot.com
There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.
It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.
Our words make us the ghosts that we are.
Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.
freedomisobvious.blogspot.com
There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.
It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.
Our words make us the ghosts that we are.
Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.
freedomisobvious.blogspot.com
There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.
It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.
Our words make us the ghosts that we are.
Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.
Man is not capable of perfection, we must do our absolute best to ensure that the innocent are protected without abandoning any attempt to punish the guilty.
The old saying is that we must let 100 guilty men go free that not 1 innocent man be punished NOT that we must let 1,000,000 guilty men go free let alone ALL guilty men go free.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
freedomisobvious.blogspot.com
There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.
It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.
Our words make us the ghosts that we are.
Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.
And I asked where, exactly, is that point? What's the precise integer that tells us it is acceptable that we imprison, fine, execute, or otherwise damage that many innocent men?
Second question: how does the notion of "acceptable losses" accord with that of freedom, and which is more important?
Finally, will you be first to step up and fall upon your sword for the sake of "balance", that another innocent not be called upon to pay for a crime which he had not committed?
freedomisobvious.blogspot.com
There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.
It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.
Our words make us the ghosts that we are.
Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Who says?
Seriously? Who says that this is so? Upon what objectively provable basis do you make the assertion?
The precise number is irrelevant to the underlying point that we NOT punish the innocent.The old saying is that we must let 100 guilty men go free that not 1 innocent man be punished NOT that we must let 1,000,000 guilty men go free let alone ALL guilty men go free.
Last edited by osan; 10-10-2018 at 02:36 PM.
freedomisobvious.blogspot.com
There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.
It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.
Our words make us the ghosts that we are.
Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.
Whatever odds are created by doing everything humanly possible to avoid punishing the innocent without giving up all attempts to punish the guilty, I am willing to suffer those odds because they are better than the odds of me being seriously damaged in a society that makes no attempt to punish the guilty.
Life is full of dangers and it is not possible to eliminate them all.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
If we are to retain courts, the propriety of which is questionable on its best day, we can begin by eliminating the "reasonable man" standard. Why? Because there is no objective definition of the term. It is legal bullshittery of the first order, concocted by the very same courts too lazy, inept, and thereby corrupted to do their jobs competently and honestly.
The fact is that "reasonable man" is a meaningless term, but it plays well in the minds of lesser intellects, such as those who coined it. It has been employed to absolve the courts of a prosecutor's responsibility to PROVE their cases. If "reasonable doubt" is to be used as a term, and I have no problem with the words in themselves, it must perforce be given a rigorous definition to which prosecutors are to be sternly held in pursuit of their vocational duties.
There can be no $#@!ing around where such matters are concerned; not if we are to take seriously the sovereignty of the individual. Otherwise, one's talk of "freedom" and "rights" is naught but hot air, devoid of any substance.
Men are either free or they are something else.
freedomisobvious.blogspot.com
There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.
It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.
Our words make us the ghosts that we are.
Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Nothing you have written here is objectively demonstrative of your claims.
That is already done. Your assertions fail prima facie when viewed through the corrective lens of "freedom" and the "inherent, fundamental rights" of the individual. To apprehend, try, and convict an innocent man is by definition felonious. Innocent men hold every right to kill anyone and everyone attempting to bring him to injustice, of which false justice is the ultimate case.Prove me wrong, explain how perfection can be achieved without omniscience.
If you actually believe in the rights of men, then you cannot accept that ANY man is obliged to go quietly into the pitch black night of injustice, just because men with fancy titles and hats say so.
freedomisobvious.blogspot.com
There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.
It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.
Our words make us the ghosts that we are.
Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.
You have thus far failed to answer the question I posed twice and now for the third time: what integer number expressing the quantity of individuals for which it is acceptable to sacrifice as losses for the sake of making sure the bad guys buy the pony of justice?
Let us put it as a standard rate figure: how many per 100K known crimes may be sacrificed in terms of life, limb, and liberty for the sake of serving up justice to actual criminals?
freedomisobvious.blogspot.com
There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.
It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.
Our words make us the ghosts that we are.
Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.
I don't have a number, I told you that it is whatever number is created by doing everything possible to avoid punishing an innocent man other than giving up all attempts to punish the guilty.
You proposed reforms which I agreed to, would you actually agree to a system run as you described or are you insisting that we abandon any system?
Or are you trying to claim that the reforms you suggested will achieve perfection?
Last edited by Swordsmyth; 10-10-2018 at 02:28 AM.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
My normative response is to abandon such systems precisely because they cannot guarantee justice.
Positively speaking, abandonment is not going to happen because people are corrupt, wanting things that cannot be delivered. Therefore, the likely practical path is to reform what is a deeply flawed system of so-called "justice".
freedomisobvious.blogspot.com
There is only one correct way: freedom. All other solutions are non-solutions.
It appears that artificial intelligence is at least slightly superior to natural stupidity.
Our words make us the ghosts that we are.
Convincing the world he didn't exist was the Devil's second greatest trick; the first was convincing us that God didn't exist.
Great job so far guys! Some of you sound like members of the "lesser intellect" group however this should not stop us from going to the next exercise where we will be discussing the minimum IQ required to vote.
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