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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Dannno wasn't talking about anything like that, he was commenting on homahr's ad hominem attacks on him.
    Yeah and I am talking about crazy people who are for stop and frisk because government is not comprised of angels and will abuse this power for other things and get away with it like they always do. Those topics are normally mutually exclusive but for some reason crazy people and ad hominem attacks were posted in a stop and frisk post, so when life gives lemons...



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  3. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by homahr View Post
    Okay pedo-rapist-Saudi supporting bitch.
    How childish. I hope mods take notice of this new member who cannot play nice to save his own life.

    And on the topic of Stop and Frisk.

    Kanye's statements today show pretty clearly that Trump is fluid in his decision making. Trump is not a libertarian nor should any of us here pretend that he sold himself as being one. He goes with whatever the best idea can be presented to him. The entire premise of his thread that Trump = evil because he brought up stop and frisk, instantly had his mind changed by a rapper, saying he had an open mind about it. Isn't that quite the opposite of what the purists were blabbing about in this thread?

    This is the best chance for libertarianism to be influenced onto a president. There are ways to lobby for a view to present him but the purist libertarians are too lazy to do anything about it. Rand is doing it and doing a great job, but the liberty grassroots or whatever is left of it, is so sour and disheartened, we can't get anything done except moan and complain.

    Theres your tireless minority folks. The Remnant, as we once called it.
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  4. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    How childish. I hope mods take notice of this new member who cannot play nice to save his own life.

    And on the topic of Stop and Frisk.

    Kanye's statements today show pretty clearly that Trump is fluid in his decision making. Trump is not a libertarian nor should any of us here pretend that he sold himself as being one. He goes with whatever the best idea can be presented to him. The entire premise of his thread that Trump = evil because he praised stop and frisk was debunked by a rapper.

    This is the best chance for libertarianism to be influenced onto a president. There are ways to lobby for a view to present him but the purist libertarians are too lazy to do anything about it. Rand is doing it and doing a great job, but the liberty grassroots or whatever is left of it, is so sour and disheartened, we can't get anything done except moan and complain.

    Theres your tireless minority folks. The Remnant, as we once called it.
    I assumed they paid Kanye to give a speech to the white house to help with the mid term elections. Either that or he was already part of the deep state. I didn't watch much of it just the 5 seconds where he said black people can vote red too.

  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    I assumed they paid Kanye to give a speech to the white house to help with the mid term elections. Either that or he was already part of the deep state. I didn't watch much of it just the 5 seconds where he said black people can vote red too.
    The guy is just being passionate. He's obviously not deep state?? And paid? Come on, his Yeezy brand is already worth north of a billion dollars.

    The only ulterior motive here is that he has presidential ambitions and is doing a good job at gaining favorability with conservatives by doing this.
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  6. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    The guy is just being passionate. He's obviously not deep state?? And paid? Come on, his Yeezy brand is already worth north of a billion dollars.

    The only ulterior motive here is that he has presidential ambitions and is doing a good job at gaining favorability with conservatives by doing this.
    yeah because the deep state would not have any motivation to be involved with music or popular culture, they stick with politics and influencing people with political ideas.

  7. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    yeah because the deep state would not have any motivation to be involved with music or popular culture, they stick with politics and influencing people with political ideas.
    True story, I saw plans of this in a Fusion GPS dossier.

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  9. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Statists gonna state.
    That dismisses the very real fear people in crime filled ghettos feel every day to a bland cliche'.

    They don't give a $#@! about "Common Sense", Adam Smith or Von Mises.

    They want to go to work and not come home to find their place robbed by crack heads, again.

    They want to walk out the front door and not get shot.

    They don't want to get car jacked or stabbed or burned out in a arson hit.

    Yeah, sure, we can look in from the outside and see how much of this is caused by the state, but on the front line, living day to day in Baltimore or Camden or Chicago or Detroit...not so much.

  10. #98
    Wouldn't be surprised if the IRS went after KW the day he first put on a MAGA cap.
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  11. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    That dismisses the very real fear people in crime filled ghettos feel every day to a bland cliche'.

    They don't give a $#@! about "Common Sense", Adam Smith or Von Mises.

    They want to go to work and not come home to find their place robbed by crack heads, again.

    They want to walk out the front door and not get shot.

    They don't want to get car jacked or stabbed or burned out in a arson hit.

    Yeah, sure, we can look in from the outside and see how much of this is caused by the state, but on the front line, living day to day in Baltimore or Camden or Chicago or Detroit...not so much.
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  12. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    "An armed society is a polite society."

    -Robert A. Heinlein-
    That would be my preferred solution, do you see it happening any time soon in Chicago or Detroit?
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  13. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That would be my preferred solution, do you see it happening any time soon in Chicago or Detroit?
    Let's go back to the 2nd Amendment. Time to educate people on it's true meaning.
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  14. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post

    And on the topic of Stop and Frisk.

    Kanye's statements today show pretty clearly that Trump is fluid in his decision making. Trump is not a libertarian nor should any of us here pretend that he sold himself as being one. He goes with whatever the best idea can be presented to him. The entire premise of his thread that Trump = evil because he brought up stop and frisk, instantly had his mind changed by a rapper, saying he had an open mind about it. Isn't that quite the opposite of what the purists were blabbing about in this thread?

    This is the best chance for libertarianism to be influenced onto a president. There are ways to lobby for a view to present him but the purist libertarians are too lazy to do anything about it. Rand is doing it and doing a great job, but the liberty grassroots or whatever is left of it, is so sour and disheartened, we can't get anything done except moan and complain.

    Theres your tireless minority folks. The Remnant, as we once called it.
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  15. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Let's go back to the 2nd Amendment. Time to educate people on it's true meaning.

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  16. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    This is the best chance for libertarianism to be influenced onto a president. There are ways to lobby for a view to present him but the purist libertarians are too lazy to do anything about it. Rand is doing it and doing a great job, but the liberty grassroots or whatever is left of it, is so sour and disheartened, we can't get anything done except moan and complain.

    Theres your tireless minority folks. The Remnant, as we once called it.
    All serious liberty people are already on the Trump Train for this very reason. It is our first chance to influence policy AT ALL that we've had in a generation. We have more influence now than we've had since Reagan's first term.
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  18. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtomator View Post
    All serious liberty people are already on the Trump Train for this very reason. It is our first chance to influence policy AT ALL that we've had in a generation. We have more influence now than we've had since Reagan's first term.
    Actually Trump & Reagan are very much alike.

    From Murray Rothbard:


    Ronald Reagan, Warmonger

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    Ronald Reagan was swept into office by the conservative movement, whose leader and spokesman he had become. He made a raft of campaign promises to that movement, each and every one of which he has broken egregiously. He raised income taxes rather than lowered them, he brought us $200 billion deficits rather than balancing the budget, he entrenched fiat money rather than bringing back the gold standard, his budget is the highest absolutely and as percentage of GNP in American history, he has deregulated nothing, he has not abolished the Departments of Education and Energy, etc. The conservative movement has long been animated by three broad concerns: (a) Freeing the economy and Getting Big Government Off Our Back; (b) using government to enforce Judaeo-Christian morality (so-called "social" issues), and (c) engaging in nuclear war with the Soviet Union. Simply listing these concerns reveals that (b) and (c), the theocratic and the war-mongering, contradict the libertarian (a), to put it very mildly. The conservative movement is so constituted that in a tussle between these three, (b) and (c) always win out in their hearts and minds over the free market.

    The quintessence of Ronald Reagan is that he is a master in supplying the conservative movement with the rhetoric they want to hear. In all politicians there is a gulf between rhetoric and reality, but in Ronald Reagan that gulf has become a veritable and mighty ocean. There seems to be no contact whatever between Ronnie the rhetorician and Ronnie the maker of policy. In that situation it is hard to know which one is "the real" Reagan. The conservatives, feeling betrayed but lacking any guts for a break with the Administration, persist in asserting (publicly, at any rate) that the rhetorical Reagan is the real one, and that if only his evil pragmatist advisers would "let him," this real Reagan would finally emerge. Hence, the famous right-wing slogan, "Let Reagan Be Reagan." But the problem with that slogan is the "let." What do you mean, "let"? Who picked these evil advisers, and who persists in maintaining them in power? None other than Reagan himself. So in what sense is this visible person not the "real" Reagan?
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  19. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by homahr View Post
    Just posting for the Lolz. Stop being a little bitch, bitch.
    Hey hey, cut that stuff out. Take it over to Breitbart if you're going to start that kind of posting. This isn't the forum for that.

    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    I assumed they paid Kanye to give a speech to the white house to help with the mid term elections. Either that or he was already part of the deep state. I didn't watch much of it just the 5 seconds where he said black people can vote red too.
    Anyone married to a Kardashian and selling records is already much very part of the establishment and is just following orders.


    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That would be my preferred solution, do you see it happening any time soon in Chicago or Detroit?
    Perhaps if you spent your time pressuring Donald to urge the CIA to stop importing heroin and cocaine into the inner cities instead of blaming the end users, we might make some real progress.

    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtomator View Post
    All serious liberty people are already on the Trump Train for this very reason. It is our first chance to influence policy AT ALL that we've had in a generation. We have more influence now than we've had since Reagan's first term.
    Yeah yeah we gotta ignore free market principles (the Constitution) in order to protect free market principles (the Constitution). Heard it.
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  20. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Perhaps if you spent your time pressuring Donald to urge the CIA to stop importing heroin and cocaine into the inner cities instead of blaming the end users, we might make some real progress.
    I'll call him on my personal hotline right away and issue him his new orders.
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  21. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    Kanye's statements today show pretty clearly that Trump is fluid in his decision making. Trump is not a libertarian nor should any of us here pretend that he sold himself as being one. He goes with whatever the best idea can be presented to him.
    A more accurate way of saying this is to say that he is entirely unprincipled.


    If he listens to whoever gives him the best deal, how do you suppose that will trend in a liberty direction? It's objectively the choice which provides him with the least personal benefit.

  22. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    .

    From Murray Rothbard:

    Worth noting that Murray Rothbard was an absolute imbecile on anything related to politics and was a mediocre to bad economist. Rothbard had no interest acting life a scientist in search of truth. Instead, he wanted to be a cult builder.

    Actually Trump & Reagan are very much alike
    And the economist Rothbard is most similar to (at least in style) is Paul Krugman. They are both fundamentally dishonest and will say anything to be provocative.
    Last edited by Krugminator2; 10-12-2018 at 02:33 PM.

  23. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I'll call him on my personal hotline right away and issue him his new orders.
    I'll settle for commenting on it here instead then. Recognize and address the illness instead of spending all your time on the symptoms.

    Btw, they DO pay attention to what's posted on the net. What do you think all of the data collection/surveillance is for?? Ask Cambridge Analytica.
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  24. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Worth noting that Murray Rothbard was an absolute imbecile on anything related to politics and was a mediocre to bad economist. Rothbard had no interest acting life a scientist in search of truth. Instead, he wanted to be a cult builder.



    And the economist Rothbard is most similar to (at least in style) is Paul Krugman. They are both fundamentally dishonest and will say anything to be provocative.
    Ron Paul would disagree:

    Ron Paul:
    It would be difficult to exaggerate Professor Murray N. Rothbard’s influence on the movement for freedom and free markets. He is the living giant of Austrian economics, and he has led the now-formidable movement ever since the death of his great teacher, Ludwig von Mises, in 1971. We are all indebted to him for the living link he has provided to Mises, upon whose work he has built and expanded. But many are less aware of Rothbard’s political influence. Some would say that while he is undoubtedly an excellent economist, his political efforts have been less than successful. I would deny this.
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  25. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I'll settle for commenting on it here instead then. Recognize and address the illness instead of spending all your time on the symptoms.
    I have commented on it before and I will in the future.
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  27. #113
    The main culprit is modern American urbanization. Urban areas digest most communities, set people against each other and create all sorts of pathologies. Then, increasing police presence is demanded by the law-abiding members of the public to fight the horrible behavior engineered by the cities. We need to rethink just what it is a modern city can look like in the West. Singapore would be a good place to look to for inspiration.
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  28. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    A more accurate way of saying this is to say that he is entirely unprincipled.


    If he listens to whoever gives him the best deal, how do you suppose that will trend in a liberty direction? It's objectively the choice which provides him with the least personal benefit.

    Thats exactly the point. Why does anybody here even pretend that this guy is trying to be a libertarian? He couldn't give a rats ass about the label. However he has an ego and wants to succeed and leave a legacy. He is motivated to do well and fortunately as a businessman, he knows libertarian policies work and has brought on people with those ideas. Sure the Trump administration is not a Ron Paul convention but anybody who expects that much is obviously delusional and does not know how to set expectations for themselves.

    If you want the right policy, influence it, there are a ton of ways, you're a capitalist, get innovative. How much influence do you think is wielded complaining on RPF that is literally read by the few of us left that still like RP? Trump gives no shts about the purist libertarian complaints, no shts at all. But he does care what Rand has to say every once in a while and looks at Rand's ideas with serious consideration. All the while the purists give him sht day and night for not Libertarianism'ing hard enough. God its pathetic.
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  29. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    He is motivated to do well and fortunately as a businessman, he knows libertarian policies work and has brought on people with those ideas.
    Except for the fact that his business practices were (and still are) based upon lobbying and use of government to further himself and his brand.

    If, as a businessman, he knows that libertarian policies work, why do his decades of political donations tell exactly the opposite story? Why do decades of his political speech tell the opposite story?

    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    If you want the right policy, influence it, there are a ton of ways, you're a capitalist, get innovative. How much influence do you think is wielded complaining on RPF that is literally read by the few of us left that still like RP? Trump gives no shts about the purist libertarian complaints, no shts at all. But he does care what Rand has to say every once in a while and looks at Rand's ideas with serious consideration. All the while the purists give him sht day and night for not Libertarianism'ing hard enough. God its pathetic.
    This may shock and amaze you, but posting on RPF does not prevent one from performing any other kind of political activism.

  30. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    The main culprit is modern American urbanization. Urban areas digest most communities, set people against each other and create all sorts of pathologies. Then, increasing police presence is demanded by the law-abiding members of the public to fight the horrible behavior engineered by the cities. We need to rethink just what it is a modern city can look like in the West. Singapore would be a good place to look to for inspiration.
    Is that a joke? Singapore puts people to DEATH over drug offenses and firearms law violations. Surely you're kidding. Singapore? I can't imagine living in a country where laws written by the ivory tower for drug offenses and gun offenses leads to DEATH sentences. Holy crap.

    Then again, Trump said he wanted to execute drug dealers also.
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  31. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Is that a joke? Singapore puts people to DEATH over drug offenses and firearms law violations. Surely you're kidding. Singapore? I can't imagine living in a country where laws written by the ivory tower for drug offenses and gun offenses leads to DEATH sentences. Holy crap.

    Then again, Trump said he wanted to execute drug dealers also.
    Singapore does a great many things I, personally, would disagree with. But they also went from 3rd to 1st world within two generations and have the second freest market on Earth. Lee Kuan Yew was the greatest statesman of the latter 20th Century, and it isn't close. Also despite being pretty much entirely urbanized, it almost totally lacks the kind of problems that are endemic in big cities in the US. I'm not saying we should adopt Singaporean drug policies, I'm saying that cities can be built better.
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  32. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    A more accurate way of saying this is to say that he is entirely unprincipled.


    If he listens to whoever gives him the best deal . . .
    Technically, He's an egotistically-motivated populist president. He's gonna listen to whoever helps him win.

    If Kanye gets him to change his stance on stop-and-frisk, he'll win hands-down. Frankly, he's an idiot if he doesn't. And, you're right, it wouldn't be a principled and heart-felt change of stance for the sake of liberty. Rand Paul would have to play a hell of a lot more golf with Trump if you're looking for that sort of break-through.

    EDIT: I actually posted that before I read down to eleganz's reply and I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one who made the analysis. (Damn you @eleganz, you beat me to it )
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 10-12-2018 at 11:22 PM.

  33. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    Singapore does a great many things I, personally, would disagree with. But they also went from 3rd to 1st world within two generations and have the second freest market on Earth. Lee Kuan Yew was the greatest statesman of the latter 20th Century, and it isn't close. Also despite being pretty much entirely urbanized, it almost totally lacks the kind of problems that are endemic in big cities in the US. I'm not saying we should adopt Singaporean drug policies, I'm saying that cities can be built better.
    I'm not sure what exactly a PaleoLibertarian is but I can't imagine it including supporting extreme police state measures like Singapore does, like executing drug offenders and firearms violations. Libertarians are usually in support of a lessened War on Drugs and respecting the 2nd amendment, not CAPITAL PUNISHMENT for drugs and gun offenses. Maybe you should look a little deeper into the state of things in Singapore and recognize that the reason it appears so "smooth" is because it's a complete police state and everyone is terrified of the authorities. I honestly can't imagine what is even remotely Libertarian about Singapore when it comes to freedom. Jeez, they even already have a "social credit system" implemented, based on demerit points. You're really just advocating for the Agenda 21/2030 police state model.

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  34. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Except for the fact that his business practices were (and still are) based upon lobbying and use of government to further himself and his brand.

    If, as a businessman, he knows that libertarian policies work, why do his decades of political donations tell exactly the opposite story? Why do decades of his political speech tell the opposite story?



    This may shock and amaze you, but posting on RPF does not prevent one from performing any other kind of political activism.

    Yea Trump makes donations far and wide, to anybody in power. Its no surprise if you want to play with the big boys in hot real estate markets. As if donating to politicians to get favorability makes you not a good business person.

    At this point, do you even know what you're arguing for anymore?

    To recap, you said Trump was unprincipled, to which I agreed with you and added that is driven by self-interest and legacy and is a good businessman in the general sense. (I don't think anybody here will question the idea that Trump is successful at branding and starting and finishing large projects, even considering his inheritance).

    Then you brought up how he donates and that makes him not a good business person, which is not really even a relevant point, and feels more like changing the topic than anything else.

    Also feel like so you don't want to admit that your view is about being lazy and wanting to complain over doing something realistic and with trackable progress. Don't forget there are libertarians working in this administration and they get to influence policy of a sitting POTUS.

    And you, just want to complain that a business person donates to politicians?

    Sorry man, I really don't get get your perspective. Thats why people like Trump end up in the oval office and political purists who only wish to have everything their way, end up with absolutely nothing.
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    - Has active support of the county GOP
    - Opponent, Jim Gibson, is vulnerable and has a history losing due to the same scandal
    - 2018 GOP primary result was 72%
    - For liberty in Vegas

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