Trump promotes stop-and-frisk

**nobody's_hero** · 10-13-2018, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by eleganz

Yea Trump makes donations far and wide, to anybody in power. Its no surprise if you want to play with the big boys in hot real estate markets. As if donating to politicians to get favorability makes you not a good business person.

At this point, do you even know what you're arguing for anymore?

To recap, you said Trump was unprincipled, to which I agreed with you and added that is driven by self-interest and legacy and is a good businessman in the general sense. (I don't think anybody here will question the idea that Trump is successful at branding and starting and finishing large projects, even considering his inheritance).

Then you brought up how he donates and that makes him not a good business person, which is not really even a relevant point, and feels more like changing the topic than anything else.

Also feel like so you don't want to admit that your view is about being lazy and wanting to complain over doing something realistic and with trackable progress. Don't forget there are libertarians working in this administration and they get to influence policy of a sitting POTUS.

And you, just want to complain that a business person donates to politicians?

Sorry man, I really don't get get your perspective. Thats why people like Trump end up in the oval office and political purists who only wish to have everything their way, end up with absolutely nothing.

There are those of us who vaguely see a bigger picture. Those of us who are reading into Trump too much (taking him too seriously). Those of us who don't agree with him but respect and, well, sort of envy his political savvy. And there are those who get on here and rage because we are not moving towards liberty quite in the same way they had perhaps envisioned in their minds. —Not moving fast enough. —Stumbling along the way. Perhaps we thought 300,000,000+ Americans were gonna all collectively get up to make coffee one morning, slip on a kitchen floor, bump their heads and wake up moments later with a case of amnesia and a profound understanding of liberty. Rather than taking advantage of (real) opportunities where we can get them (meaning, sorry, Rand wasn't gonna be president, at least not this time around), we're just supposed to sit on the living room floor and pout like a kid at Christmas whose parents bought the wrong toy. And if you don't agree with doing that, well, F. U.

I personally, am having fun. This is the craziest god-damn presidency we've had in ages. There's nothing this president is doing wrong that we wouldn't have had to fix later if anyone else had won in 2016, given the options. And he is, accidentally, getting some stuff right.

**Cap** · 10-13-2018, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by nobody's_hero

There are those of us who vaguely see a bigger picture. Those of us who are reading into Trump too much (taking him too seriously). Those of us who don't agree with him but respect and, well, sort of envy his political savvy. And there are those who get on here and rage because we are not moving towards liberty quite in the same way they had perhaps envisioned in their minds. —Not moving fast enough. —Stumbling along the way. Perhaps we thought 300,000,000+ Americans were gonna all collectively get up to make coffee one morning, slip on a kitchen floor, bump their heads and wake up moments later with a case of amnesia and a profound understanding of liberty. Rather than taking advantage of (real) opportunities where we can get them (meaning, sorry, Rand wasn't gonna be president, at least not this time around), we're just supposed to sit on the living room floor and pout like a kid at Christmas whose parents bought the wrong toy. And if you don't agree with doing that, well, F. U.

I personally, am having fun. This is the craziest god-damn presidency we've had in ages. There's nothing this president is doing wrong that we wouldn't have had to fix later if anyone else had won in 2016, given the options. And he is, accidentally, getting some stuff right.

And then there are those of us waiving a red flag signalling that we are indeed moving away from liberty.

**eleganz** · 10-13-2018, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Cap

And then there are those of us waiving a red flag signalling that we are indeed moving away from liberty.

Lol, "moving away from liberty". Don't forget, the liberty movement (and I'm only really calling it a movement for old times sake) has virtue signaling too, except nobody really hears it since barely anybody cares about what we have to say now.

Have you joined the TDS resistance in their rage-a-thon protests? They have the red flag raised all day.

**TheCount** · 10-14-2018, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by eleganz

Yea Trump makes donations far and wide, to anybody in power. Its no surprise if you want to play with the big boys in hot real estate markets. As if donating to politicians to get favorability makes you not a good business person.

It's not about being a good business person or a bad business person; this is a strawman which is entirely unrelated to the topic. You claimed that being a business person somehow gave him some sort of appreciation or affinity for libertarianism. Now you're admitting that is not the case.

This is how he thinks that the world works: The rich pay bribes to politicians in order to gain favors from government, favors which they then use as weapons against their competition or against those who cannot afford government favor. This is a system which is fundamentally incompatible with libertarian government.

When a person like that becomes a politician, what, then, is their expectation? That now it is their turn to receive bribes and dispense the favor of government. Why else would a person who is, according to you, working exclusively in his own self-interest take what is, on the surface, a dramatic loss of income in order to work in government?

Libertarian policies are objectively the least profitable policies for government, for government employees, and for politicians, because it makes them less able to sell/lease their government powers. Therefore, it's contradictory to claim that he is a person who is out to maximize their personal gain, self-interest, and legacy would simultaneously work to eliminate their own power.