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    Kavanaugh, Even If Innocent, Is Mentally and Emotionally Unfit For SCOTUS

    The author Benjamin Wittes is the editor in chief of Lawfare and a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.

    If I were a senator, I would not vote to confirm Brett Kavanaugh.

    These are words I write with no pleasure, but with deep sadness. Unlike many people who will read them with glee—as validating preexisting political, philosophical, or jurisprudential opposition to Kavanaugh’s nomination—I have no hostility to or particular fear of conservative jurisprudence. I have a long relationship with Kavanaugh, and I have always liked him. I have admired his career on the D.C. Circuit. I have spoken warmly of him. I have published him. I have vouched publicly for his character—more than once—and taken a fair bit of heat for doing so. I have also spent a substantial portion of my adult life defending the proposition that judicial nominees are entitled to a measure of decency from the Senate and that there should be norms of civility within a process that showed Kavanaugh none even before the current allegations arose.

    This is an article I never imagined myself writing, that I never wanted to write, that I wish I could not write.

    I am also keenly aware that rejecting Kavanaugh on the record currently before the Senate will set a dangerous precedent. The allegations against him remain unproven. They arose publicly late in the process and, by their nature, are not amenable to decisive factual rebuttal. It is a real possibility that Kavanaugh is telling the truth and that he has had his life turned upside down over a falsehood. Even assuming that Christine Blasey Ford’s allegations are entirely accurate, rejecting him on the current record could incentivize not merely other sexual-assault victims to come forward—which would be a salutary thing—but also other late-stage allegations of a non-falsifiable nature by people who are not acting in good faith. We are on a dangerous road, and the judicial confirmation wars are going to get a lot worse for our traveling down it.

    Despite all of that, if I were a senator, I would vote against Kavanaugh’s confirmation. I would do it both because of Ford’s testimony and because of Kavanaugh’s. For reasons I will describe, I find her account more believable than his. I would also do it because whatever the truth of what happened in the summer of 1982, Thursday’s hearing left Kavanaugh nonviable as a justice.


    A few days before the hearing, I detailed on this site the advice I would give to Kavanaugh if he asked me. He should, I argued, withdraw from consideration for elevation unless able to defend himself to a high degree of factual certainty without attacking Ford. He should remain a nominee, I argued, only if his defense would be sufficiently convincing that it would meet what we might term the “no asterisks” standard—that is, that it would plausibly convince even people who vociferously disagree with his jurisprudential views that he could serve credibly as a justice. His defense needed to make it possible for a reasonable pro-choice woman to find it a legitimate and acceptable prospect, if not an attractive or appealing one, that he might sit on a case reconsidering Roe v. Wade.

    Kavanaugh, needless to say, did not take my advice. He stayed in, and he delivered on Thursday, by way of defense, a howl of rage. He went on the attack not against Ford—for that we can be grateful—but against Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee and beyond. His opening statement was an unprecedentedly partisan outburst of emotion from a would-be justice. I do not begrudge him the emotion, even the anger. He has been through a kind of hell that would leave any person gasping for air. But I cannot condone the partisanship—which was raw, undisguised, naked, and conspiratorial—from someone who asks for public faith as a dispassionate and impartial judicial actor. His performance was wholly inconsistent with the conduct we should expect from a member of the judiciary.

    Consider the judicial function as described by Kavanaugh himself at his first hearing. That Brett Kavanaugh described a “good judge [as] an umpire—a neutral and impartial arbiter who favors no litigant or policy.” That Brett Kavanaugh reminded us that “the Supreme Court must never be viewed as a partisan institution. The justices on the Supreme Court do not sit on opposite sides of an aisle. They do not caucus in separate rooms.”

    A very different Brett Kavanaugh showed up to Thursday’s hearing. This one accused the Democratic members of the committee of a “grotesque and coordinated character assassination,” saying that they had “replaced advice and consent with search and destroy.” After rightly criticizing “the behavior of several of the Democratic members of this committee at [his] hearing a few weeks ago [as] an embarrassment,” this Brett Kavanaugh veered off into full-throated conspiracy in a fashion that made entirely clear that he knew which room he caucused in:

    When I did at least okay enough at the hearings that it looked like I might actually get confirmed, a new tactic was needed.

    Some of you were lying in wait and had it ready. This first allegation was held in secret for weeks by a Democratic member of this committee, and by staff. It would be needed only if you couldn’t take me out on the merits.

    When it was needed, this allegation was unleashed and publicly deployed over Dr. Ford’s wishes. And then—and then as no doubt was expected, if not planned—came a long series of false last-minute smears designed to scare me and drive me out of the process before any hearing occurred.

    He went on: “This whole two-week effort has been a calculated and orchestrated political hit, fueled with apparent pent-up anger about President Trump and the 2016 election, fear that has been unfairly stoked about my judicial record, revenge on behalf of the Clintons, and millions of dollars in money from outside left-wing opposition groups.”

    As Charlie Sykes, a thoughtful conservative commentator sympathetic to Kavanaugh, put it on The Weekly Standard’s podcast Friday, “Even if you support Brett Kavanaugh … that was breathtaking as an abandonment of any pretense of having a judicial temperament.” Sykes went on: “It’s possible, I think, to have been angry, emotional, and passionate without crossing the lines that he crossed—assuming that there are any lines anymore.”

    Kavanaugh blew across lines that I believe a justice still needs to hold.

    The Brett Kavanaugh who showed up to Thursday’s hearing is a man I have never met, whom I have never even caught a glimpse of in 20 years of knowing the person who showed up to the first hearing. I dealt with Kavanaugh during the Starr investigation, which I covered for the Washington Post editorial page and about which I wrote a book. I dealt with him when he was in the White House counsel’s office and working on judicial nominations and post–September 11 legal matters. Since his confirmation to the D.C. Circuit, he has been a significant voice on a raft of issues I work on. In all of our interactions, he has been a consummate professional. The allegations against him shocked me very deeply, but not quite so deeply as did his presentation. It was not just an angry and aggressive version of the person I have known. It seemed like a different person altogether.

    My cognitive dissonance at Kavanaugh’s performance Thursday is not important. What is important is the dissonance between the Kavanaugh of Thursday’s hearing and the judicial function. Can anyone seriously entertain the notion that a reasonable pro-choice woman would feel like her position could get a fair shake before a Justice Kavanaugh? Can anyone seriously entertain the notion that a reasonable Democrat, or a reasonable liberal of any kind, would, after that performance, consider him a fair arbiter in, say, a case about partisan gerrymandering, voter identification, or anything else with a strong partisan valence? Quite apart from the merits of Ford’s allegations against him, Kavanaugh’s display on Thursday—if I were a senator voting on confirmation—would preclude my support.

    Perhaps if I believed Kavanaugh’s testimony in its totality, if I believed his denial—and thus his anger—to be entirely righteous, I could see fit to look past the impropriety of his performance. If Kavanaugh is, in fact, wholly innocent, after all, what has happened to him is so monstrous that perhaps we might forgive him the excess in view of the pressures he is under and the wrongs he would clearly have suffered—though the outburst was part of his prepared statement and thus should be seen as his considered decision about what he wanted to say.

    But there are reasons to worry about the integrity of Kavanaugh’s testimony. A number of senators, most notably Jeff Flake and Bob Corker, suggested in the hearing’s wake that the evidence was in some kind of equipoise, that both Ford and Kavanaugh had testified credibly, and that norms of fairness thus counsel giving Kavanaugh the benefit of the doubt. Before he shifted gears and sought a delay and an FBI investigation, Flake stated that he “left the hearing yesterday with as much doubt as certainty” and that “our system of justice affords a presumption of innocence to the accused.” Corker, for his part, declared that “both individuals provided compelling testimony” but that since “nothing that has been presented corroborates the allegation,” he would vote to confirm. President Trump presumably feels similarly, given that he continues to support Kavanaugh despite having declared Ford “a very credible witness.”

    I fear the evidence is not, however, quite in equipoise, even if one believes that a senator should confirm a justice on the basis that the presumption of innocence should break the tie between two equally compelling testimonies. At least as I read it, though it pains me to say so, the evidence before us leans toward Ford. Let’s consider the balance sheet carefully.

    On one side of the ledger, Ford is wholly credible. Yes, her story has holes. The location of the event is unclear in her memory, as is—importantly—how she got home and what happened after she left the house in question. Yet few observers seem to dispute her credibility. Not even Kavanaugh and his supporters contend that she is lying or making up the incident in question, merely that she is mistaken as to his involvement in it.

    Her story is certainly plausible, and certain details she offers lend it additional credibility. She correctly identifies, for example, a social circle that appears actually to have existed around Kavanaugh during the summer in question. A fabulist likely would not know, for example, of Kavanaugh’s friendship with Mark Judge and their propensity to drink beer together in the relevant period with other individuals she named. While Kavanaugh said he didn’t recall meeting Ford but that it was possible they had interacted, it seems overwhelmingly likely that her claim to have known him and his circle socially while the two were in high school is true.

    While Ford can offer no contemporaneous corroboration of her story in the form of testimony from people who remember being present at the alleged event, her story is not wholly uncorroborated either. She appears to have told her therapist about the alleged event years ago, and she identified Kavanaugh as her attacker to her husband years ago, as well.

    She initially raised the allegation with her congresswoman before Kavanaugh’s nomination took place. At a minimum, it seems quite clear that Ford was genuinely part of the world in which she claims the attack took place and that she genuinely believed—long before Trump’s election, let alone Kavanaugh’s nomination—that Kavanaugh attacked her.

    That she believes this story sincerely is corroborated, if only weakly, by her polygraph exam. Polygraphs are not especially reliable, but the willingness to take one can be a show of strength in a witness. The polygraph is not evidence that Kavanaugh attacked Ford. It is evidence that Ford believes her story truthful and is an earnest accuser, not a conspirator.

    Her story is also corroborated, imperfectly but perceptibly, by Kavanaugh’s high-school calendar. Ford describes the attack as taking place at a gathering at which at least four boys—Kavanaugh, Judge, Patrick (P.J.) Smythe, and a boy whose name Ford could not remember—and one girl, Leland Keyser, were drinking beer. Ford specifically allowed for the possibility that there might have been others present as well.

    Kavanaugh’s calendar entry for the evening of July 1, 1982, contains an entry that reads, “Go to Timmy’s for skis with Judge, Tom, P.J., Bernie and Squi.” In the hearing, Kavanaugh acknowledged that “skis” in this entry referred to “brewskis,” or beer; that P.J. was Smythe; that Judge was Mark Judge; and that “Squi” was a boy who, Ford had earlier testified, just happened to have been someone she “went out with” for a short time. The calendar entry does not include Ford or Keyser, so the corroboration is far from perfect. It also includes people not mentioned by Ford. Then again, the degree of overlap with Ford’s story is striking. In the summer in which Ford alleges that Kavanaugh attacked her at an evening get-together with a small group of boys drinking beers, his calendar identifies an evening get-together with a small group of boys drinking beers, including three of the boys named by Ford, along with one she dated. Why exactly Kavanaugh imagines his calendar entries to be powerfully exculpatory I am really not sure.

    Ford’s story also finds some degree of corroboration in Mark Judge’s employment history. Ford claims that she saw Judge some weeks after the alleged attack at the Safeway where he worked and that he was visibly uncomfortable seeing her. The Washington Post verified from Judge’s own memoir that he was, in fact, working at a grocery story as a bagger in the relevant period. Assuming the FBI investigation firms that up, it would offer another data point tending to corroborate her account’s consistency with verifiable facts.

    On the other side of the ledger is Kavanaugh’s testimony, and here we cannot be quite so confident that the witness was being candid.

    Kavanaugh’s testimony, whatever one makes of his impassioned claims of innocence on the specific charge, is not credible on the more general issue of his drinking habits. It is, as Kavanaugh suggested at the hearing, absurd for senators to argue with a Supreme Court nominee over his high-school yearbook. Then again, Kavanaugh’s unwillingness to acknowledge the obvious—that his yearbook described a hard-drinking culture that he was a part of and that makes Ford’s account more plausible—made it necessary to do so. Kavanaugh would not concede that the phrase “Beach Week Ralph Club—Biggest Contributor” referred to drinking culture, claiming it was simply a reference to his having a weak stomach. He ascribed implausibly innocent definitions to other terms that appeared in the yearbook. He diminished the casual cruelty he and his friends showed to one girl, Renate Schroeder Dolphin, by describing themselves as “Renate Alumni.” He claimed they intended to show her respect and friendship, but that is not how she reads it three and a half decades later. She told The New York Times, “The insinuation is horrible, hurtful and simply untrue. I pray their daughters are never treated this way.” She is not a fool. His repeated suggestion at the hearing that he had never been so drunk as to have any possibility of memory loss flies in the face of the memories of a number of classmates from college.

    My point is not that his confirmation in any sense turns on how much Kavanaugh drank or whether he and his friends made misogynistic jokes as teenagers. But his testimony doesn’t have the ring of truth either. And lack of candor in a witness in one area raises questions about the integrity of that witness’s testimony in other areas.

    Thursday evening, after the hearing, former FBI Director James Comey tweeted, “Small lies matter, even about yearbooks. From the standard jury instruction: ‘If a witness is shown knowingly to have testified falsely about any material matter, you have a right to distrust such witness’ other testimony and you may reject all the testimony of that witness.’”

    In response, I tweeted a passage that had been haunting me all day from a Guantanamo Bay habeas case in the D.C. Circuit called Al-Adahi v. Obama. The passage reads:

    Several days later, bin Laden summoned Al-Adahi for another meeting. According to Al-Adahi, at his meeting bin Laden asked him about people he was connected with in Yemen—some of whom were involved in jihad … In the habeas proceedings, Al-Adahi tried to explain his personal audience with bin Laden on the basis that “meeting with Bin Laden was common for visitors to Kandar.” This is, as the government points out, utterly implausible … [Yet] the district court said nothing, despite the well-settled principle that false exculpatory statements are evidence—often strong evidence—of guilt.

    The opinion was not written by Kavanaugh, but Kavanaugh was on the unanimous panel that decided the Al-Adahi case.

    There’s another factor that weighs in Ford’s favor: the failure of the committee to meaningfully engage Mark Judge. The current FBI investigation should ameliorate this problem, and it’s possible, I suppose, that Judge could change the picture significantly in Kavanaugh’s favor—if, for example, he informs the FBI that Kavanaugh was never out-of-control drunk with him or if he denies ever working at the Safeway. The committee’s contentment with the perfunctory letter he sent, however, has the air of fear—fear of what Judge would say. This unwillingness to ask Judge obvious questions erodes Kavanaugh’s position.

    To be clear, I am emphatically not saying that Kavanaugh did what Ford says he did. The evidence is not within 100 yards of adequate to convict him. But whether he did it is not the question at hand. The question at hand is how a reasonable senator should construct the evidence to guide a binary vote for or against elevation of a judge to a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land. By my read, we have two witnesses who both profess 100 percent certainty of their position—one whose testimony is wholly credible and marginally corroborated in a number of respects, and the other whose testimony is not credible on a number of important atmospheric points surrounding the alleged event.

    It’s not a tie, and it doesn’t go to the nominee.

    There’s one more reason I could not vote to confirm Kavanaugh: His apparent lack of candor on the culture of drinking at Georgetown Prep and later is a problem of its own, quite apart from what it may indicate about the truth of Ford’s story. People throw around words like perjury too blithely. I won’t do so here. I will say that I do not believe he showed the sort of candor that warrants the Senate’s—or the public’s—confidence. To the extent some commentators on the right are defending Kavanaugh’s testimony as containing the sort of white lies that anyone might tell under the circumstances, let me just say that I don’t believe that Supreme Court justices get to tell self-exculpating white lies—and I don’t believe in white lies from anyone else, either, in sworn congressional testimony.

    Over the weekend, I listened to a number of podcasts in which liberals mocked Kavanaugh as an entitled white male refusing to face accountability for what he had done. I find the tone of these discussions nauseating—undetained by the possibility of error. I, like Jeff Flake, am haunted by doubt, by the certainty of uncertainty and the consequent possibility of injustice. I spent a lot of time this weekend thinking about Oliver Cromwell’s famous letter to the Church of Scotland in which he implored, “I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken.” I also spent some time with Learned Hand’s similar maxim, “The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right.” We all need to think it possible that we may be mistaken; we all need to be not too sure that we are right.

    But my bottom line is the opposite of the one Flake expressed in his statement: Faced with credible allegations of serious misconduct against him, Kavanaugh behaved in a fashion unacceptable in a justice, it seems preponderantly likely he was not candid with the Senate Judiciary Committee on important matters, and the risk of Ford’s allegations being closer to the truth than his denial of them is simply too high to place him on the Supreme Court.

    We are in a political environment in which there are no rules, no norms anymore to violate. There is only power, and the individual judgments of individual senators—facing whatever political pressures they face, calculating political gain however they do it, and consulting their consciences to the extent they have them.

    As much as I admire Kavanaugh, my conscience would not permit me to vote for him.



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    TL;DR version: Kavanaugh was emotional and angry, and came across as very partisan. He is also a conspiracy theorist, and we need say no more about that. Disqualified.

    A fabulist likely would not know, for example, of Kavanaugh’s friendship with Mark Judge and their propensity to drink beer together in the relevant period with other individuals she named
    IIRC, Mark Judge wrote a tell all book, and the friendship (and beer drinking) was well known among political creatures long after the school years in question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    TL;DR version: Kavanaugh was emotional and angry, and came across as very partisan.
    Maybe its time we gave up the absurd belief that the SC isn't partisan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    TL;DR version: Kavanaugh was emotional and angry, and came across as very partisan. He is also a conspiracy theorist, and we need say no more about that. Disqualified.
    It was a trap from the get-go. If they did this to me, I'd be pretty angry and emotional, too. And partisan? Both sides let this show happen because they knew it would drive their fundraising numbers and they'd MUCH rather have the off-year election discussing this type of thing than why the GOP let the budget increase even higher than the "Taxed Enough Already" days. And you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to know that the Clintons were involved in the orchestration of this show. I'm not sure if they'll get executive producers credits, but they should.

    All that to say that I'd vote against him, too. But for his swampiness and his deference to the government - not for this ratings-fueled episode.
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    Benjamin Wittes:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    TL;DR version: Kavanaugh was emotional and angry, and came across as very partisan. He is also a conspiracy theorist, and we need say no more about that. Disqualified.
    Because nobody gets emotional and angry when vile lies are used to destroy their life, judges exist in another universe where politics don't exist and conspiracies don't exist except when the government says so.

    Kavanaugh's problems are actually about substantial things like the 4thA but I'm not surprised our local crypto-communist reads trash like this.
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    Compared to what?
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    Sorry left, it took you too long to figure this out. Maybe next time.



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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Sorry left, it took you too long to figure this out. Maybe next time.
    The democrats never had a chance at picking the supreme court, they are just digging at the bottom of the barrel by basically demonizing the guy, his personality, and drinking habits in order to drum up opposition based on hate alone in order to win more seats in the mid terms. This along with all the Bernie Sander's voters from 2016 means this could be a blue mid term if they could get higher turn out. The establishment wants to divide the congress as soon as possible so they can't get blamed for doing nothing.

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    Now that sexual abuser and rapist are out, here is the pivot.

    Let's avoid the discussion and forget about the real reasons that he should not be confirmed and shift all of the focus onto this low hanging fruit instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    The democrats never had a chance at picking the supreme court, they are just digging at the bottom of the barrel by basically demonizing the guy, his personality, and drinking habits in order to drum up opposition based on hate alone in order to win more seats in the mid terms. This along with all the Bernie Sander's voters from 2016 means this could be a blue mid term if they could get higher turn out. The establishment wants to divide the congress as soon as possible so they can't get blamed for doing nothing.
    It won't work, they are firing up normal people to vote Republican instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Benjamin Wittes:



    Good catch. The author is nothing but a deep state media operative. He donated to the Peter Strzok GoFundMe, defended McCabe, is cheering Mueller, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    The democrats never had a chance at picking the supreme court, they are just digging at the bottom of the barrel by basically demonizing the guy, his personality, and drinking habits in order to drum up opposition based on hate alone in order to win more seats in the mid terms. This along with all the Bernie Sander's voters from 2016 means this could be a blue mid term if they could get higher turn out. The establishment wants to divide the congress as soon as possible so they can't get blamed for doing nothing.
    Are you suggesting we are being played?

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    This is all bull$#@!. Confirmation hearings are not a personality contest. All that matters, past a certain point, is one's political views. Kava is an anti-abortion fanatic who always sides with the rich and corporations, and for that reason should not be confirmed.

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    The most dumbfounding thing to me about this whole show is the people who say he was too angry at being called a rapist. The only mistake he made was not using the word BULL$#@! during the hearing. How does the left expect a person to react if they are innocent, they are acting like Kavanaugh should have conceded that he might have attacked her even if he didn't. We'd all be mad as can be if we were in his shoes. And of course, if he hadn't been emotional people would have said he's a heartless scumbag who totally is a rapist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    The author Benjamin Wittes is the editor in chief of Lawfare and a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.
    Funny how after saying it's all about the issues and not the circus you post the stupidest circus crap yet. Emotion? give me a break.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    Maybe its time we gave up the absurd belief that the SC isn't partisan.
    Yup, for all the incessant chatter about politics becoming more partisan, it is in reality only becoming more visibly partisan.

    Certain pretenses are being abandoned, but nothing has really changed.

    Kavanaugh not being one of those mythical, impartial persons is not a reason to oppose his confirmation.

    Kavanaugh being partial to the PATRIOT Act and NSA spying is rather the reason to oppose his confirmation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Yup, for all the incessant chatter about politics becoming more partisan, it is in reality only becoming more visibly partisan.

    Certain pretenses are being abandoned, but nothing has really changed.

    Kavanaugh not being one of those mythical, impartial persons is not a reason to oppose his confirmation.

    Kavanaugh being partial to the PATRIOT Act and NSA Spying is rather the reason to oppose his confirmation.
    How about open borders? Is he a globalist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    Funny how after saying it's all about the issues and not the circus you post the stupidest circus crap yet. Emotion? give me a break.
    Lol. I think it would be quite a task to find a thread that Chernobyl Pierz posted in where he did not emotionally lose it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tell View Post
    The most dumbfounding thing to me about this whole show is the people who say he was too angry at being called a rapist. The only mistake he made was not using the word BULL$#@! during the hearing. How does the left expect a person to react if they are innocent, they are acting like Kavanaugh should have conceded that he might have attacked her even if he didn't. We'd all be mad as can be if we were in his shoes. And of course, if he hadn't been emotional people would have said he's a heartless scumbag who totally is a rapist.
    I think they are trying to castrate us in every way possible. Every MSM post is basically, "Shut up and take it."
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    Incidentally, given Brett's position that Americans can be imprisoned forever without trial...

    ...does no one else find irony in the talking points about him being denied "due process" in the Congressional hearings?

    ...or, for that matter, in Trump's own lamentations, when he also supports the PATRIOT Act, not to mention civil asset forfeiture?
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Incidentally, given Brett's position that Americans can be imprisoned forever without trial...

    ...does no one else find irony in the talking points about him being denied "due process" in the Congressional hearings?

    ...or, for that matter, in Trump's own lamentations, when he also supports the PATRIOT Act, not to mention civil asset forfeiture?
    I guess you missed the 20 posts various posters have made that perhaps this incident will make him more fit to be SCOTUS
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I guess you missed the 20 posts various posters have made that perhaps this incident will make him more fit to be SCOTUS
    You mean that, there are people who actually believe that he will emerge from this experience repentant and supportive of due process?

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    You mean that, there are people who actually believe that he will emerge from this experience repentant and supportive of due process?
    Is that impossible?
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    You mean that, there are people who actually believe that he will emerge from this experience repentant and supportive of due process?

    I know, right?

    Believing such silly nonsense is naive in the extreme. But after seeing what's gone on over the last couple of years, it doesn't surprise me that some do. In fact, very little surprises me any more. Saddens and disgusts, on the other hand...
    Chris

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  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Is that impossible?
    It's not impossible that Rand will wake up tomorrow, go to the capitol, & introduce a bill to abolish private property: but it's not too likely.

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    I know, right?

    Believing such silly nonsense is naieve in the extreme. But after seeing what's gone on over the last couple of years, it doesn't surprise me that some do. In fact, very little surprises me any more. Saddens and disgusts, on the other hand...
    Gotta laugh or cry

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It won't work, they are firing up normal people to vote Republican instead.
    November will very much be a referendum to pass judgement on the antics of the Democratic party.

    If the election goes the way I predict, we will see mental instability in degrees that the author of the quoted article cannot even begin to fathom. But it won't come from Kavanaugh.
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 10-03-2018 at 09:18 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

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    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

  33. #29
    Flashback: Stop Kavanaugh!
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  34. #30
    I can only imagine what type of drama is going to unfold when the time comes to replace Ginsburg. The media will be scrutinizing that person way more than Kavanaugh.
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