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    Increased Crime By Mentally Ill Homeless Worries San Francisco North Beach Residents

    Residents of San Francisco’s North Beach neighborhood packed a community meeting on Monday night to voice their concerns about the concurrent increases of both homelessness and crime in the area. Over the weekend, San Francisco police said a mentally ill homeless man viciously attacked a man walking in Washington Square Park with his young son.
    This attack was just one example in an uptick of violent incidents that have occurred in North Beach over the last six months.
    “A huge uptick in crime and quality of life issues that have become frightening for a lot of people,” said Erica Sandberg, a San Francisco resident.
    Reports of mentally ill homeless people committing a variety of crimes in San Francisco have increased in recent months. Some of these crimes include the homicide of a store clerk and the random stabbing of two people with scissors just down from the crooked section of Lombard Street.


    Because of the increase in crime, a standing-room-only crowd packed a community center in North Beach to voice their concerns and to hear what city leaders are doing to keep neighborhoods safe.
    San Francisco Police Chief Bill Scott and City Supervisor Aaron Peskin were at the meeting.
    “We’ve got increased homeless problems and people who heretofore haven’t been violent or aggressive, and now are. And everybody is at their wit’s end,” said Peskin.

    More at: https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...ach-residents/
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    What should be done with them? Put them in jail at taxpayer expense? Give them mental or substance abuse treatment at taxpayer expense? Let them be? Is there a Libertarian solution to homelessness and mental illness and substance abuse?
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 10-02-2018 at 07:20 PM.

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    And the grave gets bigger and bigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    What should be done with them? Put them in jail at taxpayer expense? Give them mental or substance abuse treatment at taxpayer expense? Let them be? Is there a Libertarian solution to homelessness and mental illness and substance abuse?
    Labor camps on "The Rock" they can make friendship bracelets.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    What should be done with them? Put them in jail at taxpayer expense? Give them mental or substance abuse treatment at taxpayer expense? Let them be? Is there a Libertarian solution to homelessness and mental illness and substance abuse?
    And what’s your solution other than bleeding heart wailing about cruelty?
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    Bad news for Gavin Newsom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Residents of San Francisco’s North Beach neighborhood packed a community meeting on Monday night to voice their concerns about the concurrent increases of both homelessness and crime in the area. Over the weekend, San Francisco police said a mentally ill homeless man viciously attacked a man walking in Washington Square Park with his young son.
    This attack was just one example in an uptick of violent incidents that have occurred in North Beach over the last six months.
    “A huge uptick in crime and quality of life issues that have become frightening for a lot of people,” said Erica Sandberg, a San Francisco resident.
    Reports of mentally ill homeless people committing a variety of crimes in San Francisco have increased in recent months. Some of these crimes include the homicide of a store clerk and the random stabbing of two people with scissors just down from the crooked section of Lombard Street.


    Because of the increase in crime, a standing-room-only crowd packed a community center in North Beach to voice their concerns and to hear what city leaders are doing to keep neighborhoods safe.
    San Francisco Police Chief Bill Scott and City Supervisor Aaron Peskin were at the meeting.
    “We’ve got increased homeless problems and people who heretofore haven’t been violent or aggressive, and now are. And everybody is at their wit’s end,” said Peskin.

    More at: https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...ach-residents/
    Lies, damn lies and government statistics. They have been intentionally under-reporting for decades. It’s just become so common that it can’t be ignored anymore. Critical mass.
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Lies, damn lies and government statistics. They have been intentionally under-reporting for decades. It’s just become so common that it can’t be ignored anymore. Critical mass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    What should be done with them? Put them in jail at taxpayer expense? Give them mental or substance abuse treatment at taxpayer expense? Let them be? Is there a Libertarian solution to homelessness and mental illness and substance abuse?
    I don't know, maybe you should stop posting on a libertarian forum if you are so clueless.

    Here you go: https://www.dailykos.com/news/forums

    And stay there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I don't know, maybe you should stop posting on a libertarian forum if you are so clueless.
    Zippy signed a contract to destroy this forum with his trolling. He was almost done, but then the unexpected happened - http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...Burn-a-Success!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I don't know, maybe you should stop posting on a libertarian forum if you are so clueless.

    Here you go: https://www.dailykos.com/news/forums

    And stay there.
    The problem is Zippy is not very articulate.

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    Thanks everybody for their great suggestions on what to do about the problem!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Thanks everybody for their great suggestions on what to do about the problem!
    The problem?

    What is the problem? the mentally ill are seldom violent.. Substance use or abuse is a personal issue.
    Crime has always been and will always be,, and the Housing prices in California are criminal.

    Where is the law that requires someone to have a home?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Thanks everybody for their great suggestions on what to do about the problem!
    How about lower the minimum wage so they become employable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Thanks everybody for their great suggestions on what to do about the problem!
    Its not a problem. Its the symptom of a problem. The problem is all the socialist welfare handout liberal BS that makes S.F. what it is. Fix that, and a lot of this goes away.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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    Why are the mentally ill even allowed to walk the streets? They should be in jail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    What should be done with them? Put them in jail at taxpayer expense? Give them mental or substance abuse treatment at taxpayer expense? Let them be? Is there a Libertarian solution to homelessness and mental illness and substance abuse?
    How about stop taking half our $#@! so we can afford to do something more humane voluntarily?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    How about stop taking half our $#@! so we can afford to do something more humane voluntarily?
    Because only government has the answers. <sarc>

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    How about stop taking half our $#@! so we can afford to do something more humane voluntarily?
    So if you did not have to pay any taxes you would be taking care of the mentally ill homeless? How nice of you! Why don't you do it now? If it is voluntarily, it isn't costing you anything but time. No- if you had no taxes, you still would not do it. If you were so inclined, you would already be doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So if you did not have to pay any taxes you would be taking care of the mentally ill homeless? How nice of you! Why don't you do it now? If it is voluntarily, it isn't costing you anything but time. No- if you had no taxes, you still would not do it. If you were so inclined, you would already be doing it.
    That's right, let your inner commie all the way out for everyone to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That's right, let your inner commie all the way out for everyone to see.
    Whatever you say Komrade!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So if you did not have to pay any taxes you would be taking care of the mentally ill homeless?
    What makes you think I haven't ?

    and on top of Tax when so blessed.

    and I am homeless currently,, and am living with the mentally ill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    What makes you think I haven't ?

    and on top of Tax when so blessed.

    and I am homeless currently,, and am living with the mentally ill.
    I am still sorry about your situation. Danno was saying he would help out but only if he wasn't taxed so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I am still sorry about your situation. Danno was saying he would help out but only if he wasn't taxed so much.
    My situation is Fine.
    I have owned half-million dollar home in a prime location.
    I have owned a 20 acre farm in the rural north.

    I am comfortably homeless.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That's right, let your inner commie all the way out for everyone to see.

    it has been out for a while already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    it has been out for a while already.
    But not usually this far out, he sounds like RepublicanGuy today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    But not usually this far out, he sounds like RepublicanGuy today.

    True
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Is there a Libertarian solution to homelessness and mental illness and substance abuse?

    I know the progressive solution to such issues. It's to selfishly demand more money from others through the heavy hand of government.

    Maybe you selfish people should stop demanding that others pay, and, instead, reach in your own pockets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I don't know, maybe you should stop posting on a libertarian forum if you are so clueless.

    Here you go: https://www.dailykos.com/news/forums

    And stay there.
    Great advice. I hope Zip has the wisdom to listen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So if you did not have to pay any taxes you would be taking care of the mentally ill homeless? How nice of you! Why don't you do it now? If it is voluntarily, it isn't costing you anything but time. No- if you had no taxes, you still would not do it. If you were so inclined, you would already be doing it.
    I do it now, I would be able to do a lot more if half my $#@! wasn't being stolen which ends up making the problem worse.
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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