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    Trump: I want to scrap all H1B visas

    If American tech workers do not work on computer programming jobs for 10 to 15 years, how will they gain real-life experience and innovation knowledge of the computer and technology field.

    Donald Trump: I want to scrap all H1B visas

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    Last edited by Itsback; 01-11-2019 at 10:14 PM.



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    Do It!
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    I have never seen a reason for them in the first place . If you scrap them you can revisit it later and see if they are needed .
    Do something Danke

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    I've been waiting for this to happen ever since the first wave of replacing American workers (perversely forcing Americans to train their replacements in the process) with them.

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    The company I worked for outsourced all IT operations to India. There were also plenty of Indian-Americans there who lost their jobs to their fellow Indian nationals back in their own country.

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    Donald Trump had said many things in 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtomator View Post
    I've been waiting for this to happen ever since the first wave of replacing American workers (perversely forcing Americans to train their replacements in the process) with them.
    MAGA = Make America Great Again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsback View Post
    Donald Trump had said many things in 2016.
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    The Deciderer in Chief has decided to change his mind again.

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...193665104.html

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    Today Donald trump said "Chinese have lived too well too long" defending his tariffs on Chinese goods and products.

    Who's next ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsback View Post
    Today Donald trump said "Chinese have lived too well too long" defending his tariffs on Chinese goods and products.
    Considering they have built their prosperity on theft and cheating I don't see how DJTvsg is wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsback View Post
    If American tech workers do not work on computer programming jobs for 10 to 15 years, how will they gain real-life experience and innovation knowledge of the computer and technology field.

    Donald Trump: I want to scrap all H1B visas

    Read more.. http://dangerousmother.com
    The flaw in that theory is that those companies will have to go out of business or relocate to another country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    The flaw in that theory is that those companies will have to go out of business or relocate to another country.
    LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL
    What's funny about basic math? Hint: Revenue - expenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    What's funny about basic math? Hint: Revenue - expenses.
    What's funny is the idea that American businesses can't turn a profit without outsourcing or importing slave labor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    What's funny is the idea that American businesses can't turn a profit without outsourcing or importing slave labor.
    They're having trouble turning a profit now! That's why we have to have interest rates near 0% and we have to borrow a trillion a year. Obviously not all businesses will fail. Just the ones that have a high percentage of H1Bs. It's the same math as raising the minimum wage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    They're having trouble turning a profit now! That's why we have to have interest rates near 0% and we have to borrow a trillion a year. Obviously not all businesses will fail. Just the ones that have a high percentage of H1Bs. It's the same math as raising the minimum wage.
    H1Bs are very much like ZIRP, they are a crutch to support other problems and they are bad.
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    Does this mean that he's not planning on a 4th divorce?
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    Trump hasn't even been in 6 months, you can't call him a boondoggle President unless he has overseen a military boondoggle for at least a year or two.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    H1Bs are very much like ZIRP, they are a crutch to support other problems and they are bad.
    Russians, Chinese, Europeans also have the best technology for computers. They must be good at computer programming

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsback View Post
    Russians, Chinese, Europeans also have the best technology for computers. They must be good at computer programming
    That's nice for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    The flaw in that theory is that those companies will have to go out of business or relocate to another country.
    Yup. Killing H1Bs would kill competitiveness for many US companies. They'd be forced to relocate or outsource overseas. It would be damaging to U.S.
    Even with the H1B, U.S. tech still suffers from a dearth of available tech competent American workers - Chemistry, physics, engineering.
    H1Bs are not undercutting U.S. workers. In fact the skills and work ethics of H1B workers are so desirable that they are earning more than equivalent U.S. workers , not even counting the additional costs for relocation and legal work for the visa processing.
    Walk into any post graduate tech and science programs in the U.S. Universities or even many just bachelor engineering programs. You'll witness them dominated by foreign students. They can't even recruit enough Americans into the programs. U.S. students are far more interested in majoring in political science, communication, marketing, humanities, business, management, sociology, psychology, history, English, general studies, liberal arts, criminal justice, etc.
    U.S. students en masse are not interested in pursuing demanding tech degrees. Overwhelmingly U.S. high school students lack the necessary science and mathematics to succeed in such programs. Very few high school graduates have even been exposed to any proficient level of calculus. Most lack any math proficiency beyond rudimentary algebra skills.
    U.S. culture programs its youth that other endeavors are far more important and desirable like sports, music, entertainment, virtue signalling, social statusing, protesting, getting triggered,
    We are not talking about unskilled, uneducated, unvetted illegal immigrants here. We are talking about the ability to be able to recruit from the best talent from what the entire world can produce. That is an amazing competitive advantage.
    If anything, to make America greater, Trump should raise the cap on H1B visa.
    Fortunately , Trump won't scrap the H1B. He can't, as Congress write the laws. Even if he had the power he wouldn't, despite all the bluster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    Yup. Killing H1Bs would kill competitiveness for many US companies. They'd be forced to relocate or outsource overseas. It would be damaging to U.S.
    Russians and Europeans must also get jobs on H1-B visas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    What's funny is the idea that American businesses can't turn a profit without outsourcing or importing slave labor.
    So you're for a minimum wage?
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    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    So you're for a minimum wage?
    No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by homahr View Post
    The company I worked for outsourced all IT operations to India. There were also plenty of Indian-Americans there who lost their jobs to their fellow Indian nationals back in their own country.
    Expect a lot more of that now. And outsourcing to Canada. (Canada is welcoming the H1B visa holders).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    No.
    Have you ever run a business?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Have you ever run a business?
    I have helped run the family business.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I have helped run the family business.
    Well ok, I have run my own business. So you're aware of unions, government mandates and the obstacles our government presents? Also, how was your experience in hiring and training new employees?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Well ok, I have run my own business. So you're aware of unions, government mandates and the obstacles our government presents?
    Yes, painfully aware.

    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Also, how was your experience in hiring and training new employees?
    Generally good but there were a few losers.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by homahr View Post
    The company I worked for outsourced all IT operations to India. There were also plenty of Indian-Americans there who lost their jobs to theirfellow Indian nationals back in their own country.
    American tech/IT workers must work for $10,000/month. That is better than unemployment. Tomatoes are $3/kilo (cost of living) for everybody in USA.
    Last edited by Itsback; 10-31-2018 at 02:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsback View Post
    Russians, Chinese, Europeans also have the best technology for computers. They must be good at computer programming
    I think programming wasn't attractive for a lot of Americans because of our culture. There wasn't really any sort of a shift until movies like Matrix and TV shows like the Big Bang Theory. Even When Matrix came out Keanu Reeves paid the CGI team money out of his own pocket because he said they were the ones who made the movie good. Now we have people playing video games on ESPN and the biggest blockbuster movies are from comic books. Before nerds were cool comic book franchises were paying movie studios to make movies for their comics that they wouldn't even sell because they didn't want to lose the rights to their intellectual property.

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