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Thread: Trump: I want to scrap all H1B visas

  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Dont be surprised. People are unemployed because the jobs that were created since 2008 treat people as Disposable Humans. Far too many very low paying jobs and temp work. The REAL Unemployment rate is still in the 20% range, despite the utter horse$#@! that comes out of Zippy's fingers. He will probably post if he reads this and immediately point directly to the Bureau of Lies. The only reason the Unemployment Rate has gone down is Smoke and Mirrors. Obama changed the law so the legal definition of long term unemployed went from 2 years to 1 year. It doesnt mean those people found jobs.
    Today shares price of Tech gaints Apple Inc. Amazon, Google, Facebook are down 2% to 3%. All of them are American companies and no company can be worth more than $300 billion.



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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Itsback View Post
    Today shares price of Tech gaints Apple Inc. Amazon, Google, Facebook are down 2% to 3%. All of them are American companies and no company can be worth more than $300 billion.
    Where does the $300 billion dollar figure come from?
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

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    Our central bank is not privately owned.

  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    H1B visas are not designed well, they help employers abuse the recipients.
    H1B is a kidnapping program? I didn't realize that, I thought the employees took the jobs voluntarily.

  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    H1B is a kidnapping program? I didn't realize that, I thought the employees took the jobs voluntarily.
    But they can't easily change jobs without being deported, that allows the employer to abuse them, if we are going to allow people to come here and work it shouldn't be attached to a specific job.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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  7. #65
    That's great BUT will he ALSO scrap the 61 H2-B's for cooks and servers Mar-A-Lago is asking for? Or he is just a $#@!ing hypocrite?

  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by rpfocus View Post
    That's great BUT will he ALSO scrap the 61 H2-B's for cooks and servers Mar-A-Lago is asking for? Or he is just a $#@!ing hypocrite?
    I'll take whatever progress I can get whether it is from a hypocrite or not.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Where does the $300 billion dollar figure come from?
    Computers, technology, IT sector is like semi automatic washing machine and fully automatic washing machine. All those IT/Tech companies are not required.

    Without farming and fishing there will be no economy. Farming comes first and then comes information technology (IT)

  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Do It!
    Do it for America.
    Last edited by Itsback; 10-26-2018 at 07:39 AM.

  11. #69
    Donald Trump said "India is tariff king"

  12. #70
    Too many people from other countries entering USA easily will be a burden on resources of USA.

  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    Yup. Killing H1Bs would kill competitiveness for many US companies. They'd be forced to relocate or outsource overseas. It would be damaging to U.S.
    Even with the H1B, U.S. tech still suffers from a dearth of available tech competent American workers - Chemistry, physics, engineering.
    H1Bs are not undercutting U.S. workers. In fact the skills and work ethics of H1B workers are so desirable that they are earning more than equivalent U.S. workers , not even counting the additional costs for relocation and legal work for the visa processing.
    Walk into any post graduate tech and science programs in the U.S. Universities or even many just bachelor engineering programs. You'll witness them dominated by foreign students. They can't even recruit enough Americans into the programs. U.S. students are far more interested in majoring in political science, communication, marketing, humanities, business, management, sociology, psychology, history, English, general studies, liberal arts, criminal justice, etc.
    U.S. students en masse are not interested in pursuing demanding tech degrees. Overwhelmingly U.S. high school students lack the necessary science and mathematics to succeed in such programs. Very few high school graduates have even been exposed to any proficient level of calculus. Most lack any math proficiency beyond rudimentary algebra skills.
    U.S. culture programs its youth that other endeavors are far more important and desirable like sports, music, entertainment, virtue signalling, social statusing, protesting, getting triggered,
    We are not talking about unskilled, uneducated, unvetted illegal immigrants here. We are talking about the ability to be able to recruit from the best talent from what the entire world can produce. That is an amazing competitive advantage.
    If anything, to make America greater, Trump should raise the cap on H1B visa.
    Fortunately , Trump won't scrap the H1B. He can't, as Congress write the laws. Even if he had the power he wouldn't, despite all the bluster.
    ^This. In the late 1980s when I was at UAB taking physics and chemistry as an undergraduate almost all of the lab assistants were Asian. The problem was they were hard to understand. We all clamored to get into a lab with a native English speaker, it didn't matter if he or she was black or white. As a computer science graduate student, the undergrads were clamoring to get into my lab for the same reason. It's funny that on the one hand people argue against the caravan migrants because they are too ignorant and poor and then argue against the H1B visa crowd because their too smart.

    Rand Paul is on record for wanting to increase H1B visas.

    https://www.computerworld.com/articl...-1b-visas.html

    But the Paul's views are apparently no longer important on the forum that bears their name.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    But they can't easily change jobs without being deported, that allows the employer to abuse them, if we are going to allow people to come here and work it shouldn't be attached to a specific job.
    H1B visa holders change jobs all the time. They just have to find another employer willing to go through the process.

    https://www.prideimmigration.com/can...jobs-h1b-visa/

    And an employer who abuses an H1B employee can be sued just under the same rules that any other employer can be sued. I know of a black researcher was was sued by her H1B visa holding employee for racial discrimination. The chargers were bogus but the university decided to settle anyway. (Nobody want to go to trial these days and sometimes it's hard to get an outright dismissal or summary judgement.)
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    H1B visa holders change jobs all the time. They just have to find another employer willing to go through the process.

    https://www.prideimmigration.com/can...jobs-h1b-visa/

    And an employer who abuses an H1B employee can be sued just under the same rules that any other employer can be sued. I know of a black researcher was was sued by her H1B visa holding employee for racial discrimination. The chargers were bogus but the university decided to settle anyway. (Nobody want to go to trial these days and sometimes it's hard to get an outright dismissal or summary judgement.)
    This comes at a cost where somebody with actual charges can not find a lawyer.

  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    H1B visa holders change jobs all the time. They just have to find another employer willing to go through the process.

    https://www.prideimmigration.com/can...jobs-h1b-visa/

    And an employer who abuses an H1B employee can be sued just under the same rules that any other employer can be sued. I know of a black researcher was was sued by her H1B visa holding employee for racial discrimination. The chargers were bogus but the university decided to settle anyway. (Nobody want to go to trial these days and sometimes it's hard to get an outright dismissal or summary judgement.)
    H-1B Visas Would Not Be Extended Under Trump's Latest Proposal, Reports Say


    Trump administration officials are examining whether they can come up with a new interpretation of the “may grant” language in the American Competitiveness in the 21st Century Act to block H-1B visa extensions. Thousands of immigrants, most of them Indian, currently can apply for H-1B visa extensions beyond the permitted two 3-year terms if they have green card applications in the system.

    “The idea is to create a sort of ‘self-deportation’ of hundreds of thousands of Indian tech workers in the United States to open up those jobs for Americans,” a source who spoke with Homeland Security officials told McClatchy DC.
    If the proposal passes, 500,000 to 750,000 Indian H-1B visa holders could be forced to leave the U.S., according to IndiaToday.in.

    https://www.newsweek.com

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  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Rand Paul is on record for wanting to increase H1B visas.
    On January 14, 2016, I had surfed 1672 sites with easyhits4u.com (traffic exchange) but no sales from my website or my links for 4 years.

    Is there a market for softwares and coding?? The tech bubble will burst after 15 years of the internet hype. Look at the decrease in forum posters and readers.

  20. #77
    Former Disney Employees Drop Lawsuit Against It Over H1B Visa Abuse

    A group of former Disney employees has dropped their lawsuit against the entertainment giant in which they accused it of discriminating against them by replacing them with H1B visa holders, mostly Indians.The announcement came on Wednesday after years of court battles.

    "We have lost. Unfortunately, we lost because it's legal," Sara Blackwell, the US attorney who had filed a lawsuit on behalf of the 250 Disney IT workers in 2014 told reporters during a news conference.Since then, Blackwell had filed four lawsuits against Disney on behalf of the fired American IT workers. She lost all. In one of the cases, a federal judge told her that Disney was following immigration law of the country.

    http://www.businessworld.in/article

  21. #78
    When Morality has been Outlawed, only Outlaws will have Morality.

    If an honest man find that the Law itself is Dishonest, the man faces the difficult decision of losing respect for the Law or losing respect for himself.

    Those that support Open Borders will most likely take both of those statements and twist them to be used against us. The argument they will make is that we should have No Borders AND will demand Welfare. Morality means protecting your own Rights with respect to the Equal Rights of others. The whole H1B Visa Jobs thing IS coming at the expense of the people living in THIS country, thus, I believe it to be absolutely Immoral. If the people of their own native countries are not "allowed" to set reasonable limits on how many people can Immigrate, then the Immigrant Rights are coming at the expense of Native Rights.

    I think the best thing to do here is Cui Bono, Who Benefits? Follow the money. Its nothing more than the powerful and wealthy looking at Immigration as Cheap Labor.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

  22. #79
    Why Big Tech pays poor Kenyans to programme self-driving cars

    When Artificial Intelligence works as intended, Silicon Valley types often say it's "like magic". But it isn't magic. It's Brenda, a 26-year-old single mother who lives Kibera, Africa's largest slum, and perhaps the toughest neighbourhood on earth, where hundreds of thousands of people live in a space not too much bigger than London's Hyde Park.

    Each day, Brenda leaves her home here to catch a bus to the east side of Nairobi where she, along with more than 1,000 colleagues in the same building, work hard on a side of artificial intelligence we hear little about - and see even less.

    https://www.bbc.com/news

  23. #80
    Indian-American arrested in California over H-1B visa fraud

    A 46-year-old Indian-American has been arrested and charged in California on charges of H-1B visa fraud.Kishore Kumar Kavuru was arrested Friday morning and produced before the US Magistrate Judge Susan van Keulen. He was later released on bond.

    Kavuru has been charged with 10 counts of visa fraud and as many counts of mail fraud in connection with a scheme to maintain a pool of foreign workers for the clients of his consulting companies.The accused faces 10 years in prison and a maximum fine of $ 250,000 for each count of visa fraud and up to 20 years of imprisonment for each count of mail fraud.

    https://www.msn.com/en-in/money/news



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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Outsourcing IT is going to be the ultimate death of brands that don't manage their customers data securely. Ashley Madison was destroyed this way. It's basically gambling and competitors have every incentive to use dark money to exploit your vulnerability.
    Call center workers selling YOUR credit card details and medical records for pennies
    https://www.itworld.com/article/2728...cial-data.html

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...w/57300779.cms

  26. #82
    To fight H1-B visas, an American said "working for $9000/month will be pain but we will have the jobs"

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  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Does this mean that he's not planning on a 4th divorce?
    ROFLMAO

    +rep.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

  29. #85
    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...e-tariffs.html

    Countries With The Most Restrictive Tariffs

    Rank Country Share of Tariff Lines Exceeding 15%
    1 Gambia 71.2%
    2 Djibouti 65.0%
    3 Bermuda 63.8%
    4 Ethiopia 56.4%
    5 Guinea 56.0%
    6 Cameroon 54.3%
    7 Guinea-Bissau 51.6%
    8 Benin 51.0%
    9 Togo 51.0%
    10 Sierra Leone 49.9%

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

  30. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...e-tariffs.html

    Countries With The Most Restrictive Tariffs

    Rank Country Share of Tariff Lines Exceeding 15%
    1 Gambia 71.2%
    2 Djibouti 65.0%
    3 Bermuda 63.8%
    4 Ethiopia 56.4%
    5 Guinea 56.0%
    6 Cameroon 54.3%
    7 Guinea-Bissau 51.6%
    8 Benin 51.0%
    9 Togo 51.0%
    10 Sierra Leone 49.9%
    We can only dream of having economies like these. Maybe, if we ask really nicely, the state will tariff us this much.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...e-tariffs.html

    Countries With The Most Restrictive Tariffs

    Rank Country Share of Tariff Lines Exceeding 15%
    1 Gambia 71.2%
    2 Djibouti 65.0%
    3 Bermuda 63.8%
    4 Ethiopia 56.4%
    5 Guinea 56.0%
    6 Cameroon 54.3%
    7 Guinea-Bissau 51.6%
    8 Benin 51.0%
    9 Togo 51.0%
    10 Sierra Leone 49.9%
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    We can only dream of having economies like these. Maybe, if we ask really nicely, the state will tariff us this much.
    It is certainly possible to have tariffs that are too high but those countries are poor for many other reasons.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It is certainly possible to have tariffs that are too high but those countries are poor for many other reasons.
    True, merely trying to draw some perspective. The US isn't in the top ten as far as trriff restrictions.
    .

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!



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  34. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Itsback View Post
    To fight H1-B visas, an American said "working for $9000/month will be pain but we will have the jobs"
    Pin This

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsback View Post
    Pin This
    You should get out more often.

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