Third Woeman now: "I saw Kavanaugh line up to participate in gang rape"

[TheCount]

So you don’t want to acknowledge the role of the leftist media in this current situation?



FTFY.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ing-Evacuation

[PierzStyx]

So you're not concerned with the truth as long as someone you disagree with politically is being destroyed?

I'm glad you have the ability to remove things out of context. Good job.

[phill4paul]

I used to think people just enjoyed political theater. Now I've come to the conclusion that most of them can't see the play happening right before their eyes. Obviously these charges aren't meant to stick. They can't. There isn't any way to prove them. And the end result is going to be he gets the post while no one actually addresses the real issue. And all these supposedly "woke" people on here can't see how they're furthering the useless media narrative that only will end up reinforcing his appointment along partisan lines instead of standing up and demand he be accountable for his real crimes.

The "real" issues have been debated. Done deal. It was going to vote. Nothing anyone here could have done about it. However, the issue now is whether we give no voice to political shenanigans that are not corroborated. Because the next time it might be a Rand Paul, Justin Amash or Thomas Massie. It damn sure would have been done against Ron Paul.

[PierzStyx]

I don't want to waste time. That's the whole point. The confirmation process was over and it was headed to a vote. It should have just went to vote. If it was a down vote then another candidate could have been floated. Perhaps more liberty oriented. Why aren't you against the sideshow and for a move to proceed with the up or down vote? What exactly is your agenda? Aside from acting superior, ranting and raving about your specific "libertarian" bent as the best bent over others?

It is all sideshow. And I'm the only one against it. Everyone else is just playing the game. Every time you make a ruckus about it you further the point of the show- to distract you from the real problems.

As for my agenda? To establish the real talking points:






While you fools run around barking mad about accusation he will inevitably be found innocent of no one is talking about the fact that the man defended the PATRIOT Act, government spying, and helped develop the Bush torture programs. The man is an actual monster and you're arguing about charges that will never stick and paving the way for him to be seated on the court where he will expand government power for decades to come.

[PierzStyx]

The "real" issues have been debated. Done deal. It was going to vote. Nothing anyone here could have done about it. However, the issue now is whether we give no voice to political shenanigans that are not corroborated. Because the next time it might be a Rand Paul, Justin Amash or Thomas Massie. It damn sure would have been done against Ron Paul.

Its never done to the vote is taken. And now, more then ever, instead of playing their game and defending someone entirely indefensible we should be revealing him for who and what he really is- a police state torturer.

[timosman]

It is all sideshow. And I'm the only one against it. Everyone else is just playing the game. Every time you make a ruckus about it you further the point of the show- to distract you from the real problems.

As for my agenda? To establish the real talking points:


While you fools run around barking mad about accusation he will inevitably be found innocent of no one is talking about the fact that the man defended the PATRIOT Act, government spying, and helped develop the Bush torture programs. The man is an actual monster and you're arguing about charges that will never stick and paving the way for him to be seated on the court where he will expand government power for decades to come.

FFS, so Kavanaugh is responsible for the Patriot Act?

[timosman]

Its never done to the vote is taken. And now, more then ever, instead of playing their game and defending someone entirely indefensible we should be revealing him for who and what he really is- a police state torturer.

You are such a $#@! disturber.

[phill4paul]

It is all sideshow. And I'm the only one against it. Everyone else is just playing the game. Every time you make a ruckus about it you further the point of the show- to distract you from the real problems.

As for my agenda? To establish the real talking points:






While you fools run around barking mad about accusation he will inevitably be found innocent of no one is talking about the fact that the man defended the PATRIOT Act, government spying, and helped develop the Bush torture programs. The man is an actual monster and you're arguing about charges that will never stick and paving the way for him to be seated on the court where he will expand government power for decades to come.

It's been explained by many posters many times. It's not in our hands. It's not in your hands. The vote is a done deal. What people are talking about now, here, is the practice by political operatives to smear candidates with nothing more than uncorroborated accusations. Catch the $#@! up already.

[phill4paul]

Its never done to the vote is taken. And now, more then ever, instead of playing their game and defending someone entirely indefensible we should be revealing him for who and what he really is- a police state torturer.

Yep. That's gonna make a huuuge difference since, as you say it's a forgone conclusion. So why are you wasting your time here? Get out there and make the difference you believe everyone else should. Because, honestly, you're just coming off as libertarian of a certain bent with a stick up his ass that feels he's superior to everyone else here. Even after others have set you straight. Get on with your bad self winning hearts and minds.

[angelatc]

I'm glad you have the ability to remove things out of context. Good job.

We're talking about a single issue: whether a nominee for SCOTUS is being railroaded by the left. You're telling us that he isn't aligned with us idelogically, a fact that nobody disputes.

I do not see this as a done deal. Flake already said he won't confirm, and I'll be surprised if Murkowski doesn't balk.

The way I see it, you want us to celebrate that the left may be able to stop any nominee with unfounded allegations because he isn't one of us. That's the only possible reason you're cluttering the discussion with the memes. Sorry, but his voting record has nothing to do with those issues.

ANd it makes no sense: if he is a deep state operative, why would they be attempting to sabotage him?

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Look at all these "libertarians" on here defending the State, one of the foremost violators of the Non-Aggression Principle. You just have to apologize for, defend, and support your oppressors. Your state education brainwashed you well.

And yet again, you prove the first sentence of my post. What level of intellectual purity does someone have to have before libertarians can defend them against baseless accusations of heinous sexual crimes? Does Rand Paul qualify? Or is he too a defender of state oppression and therefore unworthy of a defense in the face of hysterical screeds?

None of this is about Kavanaugh. It's about making sure that this vile, vindictive strategy fails so it doesn't become a normal part of the process.

Any good defender of liberty wouldn't waste their time on the useless did he/didn't he sideshow of politics and get down to the facts of his defending government oppression. Instead you can't trip over reasons to defend him quickly enough. Just like a bunch of good little sheep.

Oh, the $#@!ing irony. A purity-spiraling, impotent-rage spewing ancap accusing others of "wasting time". It's so funny when these people so clearly oppose reform, but then concoct pie-in-the-sky pipe dreams like agorism to reach some utopian vision of "statelessness".

[Anti Federalist]

Obviously these charges aren't meant to stick. They can't. There isn't any way to prove them.

Umm, when has that stopped the state?

There are plenty of people in jail based on accusations just as flimsy.

This is a bigger issue for me because it touches on the issue of "woemen are to be believed, always, at face value, for whatever they say".

That notion has been railroading men into prison for 30 years, and raping them in "family courts" even longer.

[Anti Federalist]

ANd it makes no sense: if he is a deep state operative, why would they be attempting to sabotage him?

/Discussion

[RJB]

It's funny that anyone taking time to post on an internet forum will accuse others of wasting time.

[Todd]

Yeah me and Rand will just have to disagree on this one.

[Anti Globalist]

Good thing Kavanaughs not a democrat or else this might be true. After all democrats are more likely to be rapists than republicans.

[Krugminator2]

You're telling us that he isn't aligned with us idelogically, a fact that nobody disputes.

Who is "us"? Outside of Judge Napolitano, what libertarian legal person is saying bad things about Kavanaugh? He has bad views on the Patriot Act and maybe some criminal justice issues. There are ten thousand other issues. He is really strong on the Second Amendment, free speech, regulations, eminent domain, ending affirmative action etc. He even has a number of good opinions on 4th Amendment cases. He will likely be the first of second best judge on the court.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/...ertarians.html
http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/29/...rt-nomination/
https://reason.com/volokh/2018/07/10...ugh-nomination
https://reason.com/volokh/2018/09/05...medium=twitter

[phill4paul]

Now a fourth anonymous accusation.....

According to an anonymous complaint sent to Republican Sen. Cory Gardner of Colorado, Kavanaugh physically assaulted a woman he socialized with in the Washington, D.C., area in 1998 while he was inebriated.

The sender of the complaint described an evening involving her own daughter, Kavanaugh and several friends in 1998.

“When they left the bar (under the influence of alcohol) they were all shocked when Brett Kavanaugh, shoved her friend up against the wall very aggressively and sexually.”

“There were at least four witnesses including my daughter.” The writer of the letter provided no names but said the alleged victim was still traumatized and had decided to remain anonymous herself.

A Democratic source said the minority wasn’t satisfied by the Republicans’ questions about the incident during the call, calling them cursory, and believed it should be investigated more deeply.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/sup...anaugh-n913581

[Working Poor]

We're talking about a single issue: whether a nominee for SCOTUS is being railroaded by the left. You're telling us that he isn't aligned with us idelogically, a fact that nobody disputes.

I do not see this as a done deal. Flake already said he won't confirm, and I'll be surprised if Murkowski doesn't balk.

The way I see it, you want us to celebrate that the left may be able to stop any nominee with unfounded allegations because he isn't one of us. That's the only possible reason you're cluttering the discussion with the memes. Sorry, but his voting record has nothing to do with those issues.

ANd it makes no sense: if he is a deep state operative, why would they be attempting to sabotage him?

It's all show biz....

[timosman]

Time to end the $#@! show.

[oyarde]

There are now 3 more witnesses for this than for pizzagate.

Pizza seems more likely .

[Swordsmyth]

Isn't it just fascinating how all the "minarchists" on here leap to the defense of a National Socialist who has openly declared his support for the PATRIOT Act and everything that goes with it? It is almost as if their loyalty to a specific party is more important than the actual struggle for liberty. They declare loyalty to the party of big government, mass surveillance, elimination of the Constitution, unending war, and police state power and defend it and its endless hoard of parasites, moochers, and thugs from any defamation.

Maybe we think anyone deserves to be defended against false accusations, maybe you just want the Communists to succeed at blocking a Justice who is better than the one he is replacing and set a precedent that will allow them to stop any better judges.

[fisharmor]

Kavanaugh is a pretty decent choice. Certainly an improvement over Kennedy. And National Socialist? LOL. The guy was a chosen by The Federalist Society which is a libertarian-conservative group. He has been a regular speaker there for 20 years. It would have been unthinkable to have someone this good on the court 40 years ago.

That which was unthinkable 40 years ago is not necessarily good for liberty.

Just look at the video. The people arguing against Kavanaugh are unhinged.
Unhinged is what gets done these days. People who are getting political action on something are either unhinged in their support for murdering brown people overseas, unhinged in their support for normalizing mental illnesses, unhinged in their copsucking, etc, etc, etc.

The people claiming he's the harbinger of LGBT witch hunts, aren't softballing their position. They are pushing, openly, for what they really want. Even when the people they're against are demonstrably not taking the positions they claim, they're still getting out there that they are 1000% in favor of LGBT people being treated better than you are.

They're going to win, because nobody cares about the nuance behind Kavanaugh's potential position on Kelo.
We're going to continue to flounder and remain a dead movement because those of us left still talking about this haven't figured out what those shrieking insane asylum inmates inherently know: nuance doesn't work, you need concrete ideas.

We have ideas. Like:
-Taxation is theft.
-You currently can't own property.
-There are no positive rights.
-All empires end for financial reasons.
-End the Fed.

None of those ideas are getting discussed WRT Kavanaugh - even Stossel never encapsulated why Kelo was a bad decision in that video. It can be done using that first idea, and every idea after it ties in with it, if you really have to have nuance.

But what IS getting discussed - what people here ARE doing - is saying "Meh, he's better than getting stabbed in the balls."

Yes, he is. And when you write that, what I, personally, am reading, is this: "Whatever they do is ok, as long as we eliminate one of our quarterly ball-stabbings."

Damage control is not the game the Left is playing, and they're still winning. Some of you want to play the politics game still: fine. At least we should start playing it the way that wins.

[UWDude]

Look at all these "libertarians" on here defending the State, one of the foremost violators of the Non-Aggression Principle. You just have to apologize for, defend, and support your oppressors. Your state education brainwashed you well.

Any good defender of liberty wouldn't waste their time on the useless did he/didn't he sideshow of politics and get down to the facts of his defending government oppression. Instead you can't trip over reasons to defend him quickly enough. Just like a bunch of good little sheep.

Nobody cares what you think. Nobody cares if you call them "brainwashed". You are just a worthless pip on the internet.

Now I've come to the conclusion...

Do you want a lollipop for that?

demand he be accountable for his real crimes.

Bitch, please.
Who the $#@! are you?
Why the $#@! do you care then?
You gonna sit high in your moral tower and demand the supreme court be filled with 9 Ron Pauls, plus one back up Ron Paul?
Has your strategy worked yet? Maybe you just haven't preached the way of the NAP strong enough yet.
POST MORE! THE SUPREME COURT COULD BE FULL OF RON PAULS IF YOU WOULD JUST POST MORE!!

You are nothing but worthless prattle.
A rebel without a cause, without a following, without anybody to listen.
With nothing. A nobody on the internet, and that is pretty sad considering how easy it is to be somebody on the internet.

Has anything you written in the past 2 years, changed anybodies mind?
You're a terrible spokesman for your cause, and any minds you did change, were from agreement to opposition to you.
You are hurting your own pie-in-the-sky utopian "movement" of one.

So please, keep flapping your worthless jowls. Do my work for me, slave.

[Swordsmyth]

You realize that excuse is universal, right. "Oh, he started WWIII, but it's better than what Hillary would have done!"

When does that excuse go away? It's as bad as Obama blaming Bush. The hope was that if we ever got the chance to shift the balance of the Court, we'd do it with an eye towards liberty. Kavanaugh is a swamp-monster. As someone opposed to the surveillance state, I'm surprised to hear you say he's pretty decent. His record there is horrible.

It goes away when he runs for office and is oppose by a D who is better than him........................So NEVER.

I wanted someone better than Kavanaugh but he IS an improvement over Kennedy.

[Swordsmyth]

And while you're arguing over stupid charges that will obviously never stick he'll get placed on the Supreme Court and he will continue the destruction of your basic liberties. And you stooges will just play along, thinking you've won some stupid victory over the "Leftist Media" while getting played like fiddles the entire time. This si nothing but political theater and and you're the ones getting played.

And you think it would be possible to get a better Justice without this happening to him/her?
Or maybe you really want a Justice so bad the Demoncrats wouldn't do this.

[Swordsmyth]

Now a fourth anonymous accusation.....




https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/sup...anaugh-n913581

Maye they can blame him for every unsolved rape in the country next.

[angelatc]

I'm actually sort of impressed that Kavanaugh was able to run DC rape parties for decades without a single peep to any authorities.

Susan Collins is now wavering: https://www.montrosepress.com/nation...0625c54ae.html

[r3volution 3.0]

For the first one, I thought it wasn't much: at most a marginally successful (maybe counterproductive) delaying tactic for the Dems.

The second one didn't change things too drastically, though it gave the GOP a tougher row to hoe.

The third one....

....I still think whatshisname will be confirmed, to the boredom of the country going forward, but I wouldn't bet on it: 50/50.

[eleganz]

This is now on the level of hilarity.

The real question is, dems know they will fail, why are they doing this? To drive angry #metoo dems to the polls in Nov? To fundraise?

It can also be assumed that all these Kavanaugh attacks are riling up the GOP base. People who otherwise might not have voted, have their ears perked.