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    NBC Rouhani Interview | Mogherini Announces Iran Sanctions Bypass

    Haaretz.com‏@haaretzcom · 2 min.
    EU, China, Russia to Bypass U.S. Sanctions on Iran by New Payment Channels
    https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/r...iran-1.6495264



    UN: EU to set up special payment channels with Iran - Mogherini


    UN: 'The nuclear deal is in the interest of all' - Mogherini


    LIVE: Mogherini holds press conference ministerial meeting on Iran at UNGA
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    Extended Interview: Iranian President Hassan Rouhani | NBC Nightly News


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    In a statement after a meeting of Britain, China, France, Germany, Russia and Iran, the group said they were determined to develop payment mechanisms to continue trade with Iran despite skepticism by many diplomats that this will be possible.

    "Mindful of the urgency and the need for tangible results, the participants welcomed practical proposals to maintain and develop payment channels notably the initiative to establish a Special Purpose Vehicle (SPV) to facilitate payments related to Iran's exports, including oil," the group said in a joint statement issued after the statement.

    Several European diplomats said the SPV idea was to create a barter system, similar to one used by the Soviet Union during the Cold War, to exchange Iranian oil for European goods without money changing hands.

    The idea is to circumvent U.S. sanctions due to be restored in November under which Washington can cut off from the U.S. financial system any bank that facilitates an oil transaction with Iran.

    Speaking to reporters after the meeting, European Union foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini said the decision to set up such a vehicle had already been taken and that technical experts would meet again to flesh out the details.

    "In practical terms this will mean that EU member states will set up a legal entity to facilitate legitimate financial transactions with Iran and this will allow European companies to continue to trade with Iran in accordance with European Union law and could be open to other partners in the world," she said.

    Many diplomats and analysts, however, are skeptical such a vehicle could ultimately thwart U.S. sanctions given that the United States could amend its sanctions laws to prohibit such barter transactions.

    "The key is to keep all possibilities open so that we can signal to the Iranians that the door isn't closing," said a senior French diplomat.
    The European Union, has so far failed to devise a workable legal framework to shield its companies from U.S. sanctions that go into effect in November and that, among other things, seek to choke off Iran's oil sales, diplomats said.

    Highlighting how difficult it will be for the Europeans to come up with concrete solutions, French state-owned bank Bpifrance on Monday abandoned a plan to set up a financial mechanism to aid French firms trading with Iran.

    The crux of the 2015 nuclear deal, negotiated over almost two years by the administration of former U.S. President Barack Obama, was that Iran would restrain its nuclear program in return for the relaxation of sanctions that had crippled its economy.

    Trump considered it flawed because it did not include curbs on Iran's ballistic missiles program or its support for proxies in Syria, Yemen, Lebanon and Iraq.

    The impending return of U.S. sanctions has contributed to a slide in Iran's currency. The rial has lost about two-thirds of its value this year, hitting a record low against the U.S. dollar this month.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 09-25-2018 at 03:13 AM.



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    SPV barter system, eh? Sounds like some sort of automated accounting wizardry. Wonder if it's going to ultimately be backed with Euros or something else (gold?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    SPV barter system, eh? Sounds like some sort of automated accounting wizardry. Wonder if it's going to ultimately be backed with Euros or something else (gold?).
    yeah.. it's tricky business getting something like this off the ground... but there's tremendous 'will' to get the job done.
    Essentially they HAVE to... no choice... for any 'other' future than colonial/uni-polar.
    Trump epitomizes what they now openly LAUGH at. It's a good sign.


    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1044597810501505026


    zerohedge
    Tensions Grow As China, Russia, And Iran Lead The Way Towards A New Multipolar World Order
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...ar-world-order

    (many, many good points made in this reprint from Strategic Culture Foundation)

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    Bloomberg
    India is not planning to buy any crude oil from Iran in November
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ember-jmhy95z8


    once a colony always a colony?

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    Europe Unveils "Special Purpose Vehicle" To Bypass SWIFT, Jeopardizing Dollar's Reserve Status
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...ollars-reserve
    Last edited by goldenequity; 09-25-2018 at 03:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    Bloomberg
    India is not planning to buy any crude oil from Iran in November
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ember-jmhy95z8


    once a colony always a colony?
    If India stops buying Iranian oil, what do you think Iran might do regarding Chabahar port?

    Can Pakistan/China use this development to their advantage via CPEC/OBOR?

    Will Pakistan brave US sanctions to build the delayed gas pipeline?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    Bloomberg
    India is not planning to buy any crude oil from Iran in November
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ember-jmhy95z8


    once a colony always a colony?
    If the US hasn't escaped the empire yet what chance does India have?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    If the US hasn't escaped the empire yet what chance does India have?
    Indians and Iranians have ancient history together, some good, some bad. Persian-influenced Mughals and others ruled India for centuries before the Brits came and took advantage of a fractured subcontinent in the wake of the decline of the Mughals.

    They will find a way. The US needs India to counter China. I think the US will leave India/Iran to be in the coming months. This is just bluster right now, and the Indians fell for it.

    I read some Indian posters who were commenting on Indian news sites that India will convince America to let Indian companies run Chabahar port. Then, India can use its leverage against Iran to convince the Iranians to let Chabahar to be used as a port for US/NATO supplies for Afghanistan, bypassing Pakistan which is supposedly costly.

    Wishful thinking maybe, but this could be a way for India to use its diplomatic skills to bring Iran and the US together wrt to stabilizing Afghanistan and as a chess move against Pakistan.



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    Quote Originally Posted by homahr View Post
    Indians and Iranians have ancient history together, some good, some bad. Persian-influenced Mughals and others ruled India for centuries before the Brits came and took advantage of a fractured subcontinent in the wake of the decline of the Mughals.
    True but the Brits still have a very strong hold on the power structure of India and the US is still deeply under their influence in spite of being independent much longer.

    Quote Originally Posted by homahr View Post
    They will find a way. The US needs India to counter China. I think the US will leave India/Iran to be in the coming months. This is just bluster right now, and the Indians fell for it.

    I read some Indian posters who were commenting on Indian news sites that India will convince America to let Indian companies run Chabahar port. Then, India can use its leverage against Iran to convince the Iranians to let Chabahar to be used as a port for US/NATO supplies for Afghanistan, bypassing Pakistan which is supposedly costly.

    Wishful thinking maybe, but this could be a way for India to use its diplomatic skills to bring Iran and the US together wrt to stabilizing Afghanistan and as a chess move against Pakistan.
    Very interesting ideas.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by homahr View Post
    If India stops buying Iranian oil, what do you think Iran might do regarding Chabahar port?
    Personally.. I think India will buy Iranian oil again... this is a temporary 'favor' to Trump and NOT bending the knee under threat of sanctions
    .....and I think their S400 purchase from Russia is still a go. India is on the rise and will fit in nicely in the multilateral 'future'...
    they're soon to surpass China's population!
    Iran MUST develop Chabahar and move their oil hub out of the Persian gulf... their national security depends on it.... too easily cut off.

    Can Pakistan/China use this development to their advantage via CPEC/OBOR?
    How?
    Will Pakistan brave US sanctions to build the delayed gas pipeline?
    the pipeline is kind ahead of its time.... like so many of the belt road initiatives... too much too soon... some day it will make good sense.
    ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    Personally.. I think India will buy Iranian oil again.
    Agreed.
    I think their S400 purchase from Russia is still a go
    Agreed.
    Iran MUST develop Chabahar and move their oil hub out of the Persian gulf... their national security depends on it.... too easily cut off.
    Didn't even consider that point (moving oil hub out of Persian Gulf).
    How?
    Well, IF, Iran-India relations sour due to India towing the US anti-Iran line, then Pakistan/China could offer to take charge of Chabahar port. There is also no reason why Gwadar and Chabahar cannot be sister-ports.
    the pipeline is kind ahead of its time.... like so many of the belt road initiatives... too much too soon... some day it will make good sense.
    Very interesting point, I haven't heard anyone say this. But wasn't the Iran-Pak-India pipeline (IPI) a pre-OBOR initiative that had nothing to do with China? India dropped out due to American pressure but Pakistan is still trying to hold on, but no real progress.

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    Turkey to create joint bank with Iran to help trade in local currencies
    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/...nk-with-Iran--

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6682291

    4 days ago...

    https://twitter.com/Ozkok_/status/1043094476053471232

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    Reuters Top News
    India's government has not told refiners to halt Iranian oil imports: source
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKCN1M60HV


    “We have good relations with Iran and the U.S. and our decision is not hinged on energy,” said the government source.
    India has close diplomatic ties with Iran and is also building the strategic Chabahar port in the Middle Eastern country.
    It is expected to be operational by 2019.
    However, at the same time, India is closely working with U.S. to further its strategic interests
    and recently signed a military communications agreement with the United States.

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    Good stuff ge, thanks for sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    Good stuff ge, thanks for sharing.


    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    Europe Unveils "Special Purpose Vehicle" To Bypass SWIFT, Jeopardizing Dollar's Reserve Status
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...ollars-reserve
    Here are the Cliff Notes...

    Europe Unveils "Special Purpose Vehicle" To Bypass SWIFT, Jeopardizing Dollar's Reserve Status
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...ollars-reserve


    ►The move, as the WSJ notes, "is a direct rebuke of President Trump’s policy on Iran
    and
    ►his decision to withdraw from the nuclear deal in May,"
    and
    ►sets the stage for a confrontation between the U.S. and Europe over
    -the treatment of Iran,
    -the payment for Iran oil,
    -and potentially, jeopardizing the reserve currency status of the dollar itself.

    NEW ARCHITECTURE

    It is clear to the Europeans (as well as the Chinese and Russians) that any future transactions with Iran
    must go through entities insulated from the American financial system.

    now
    [network would rely] on the existing system of “gateway banks,”
    such as the Hamburg-based Europaeisch-Iranische Handelsbank, and the European branches of private Iranian banks.

    later
    A further third category of gateway banks can be envisioned which would comprise of 'special purpose vehicles'
    ►established by European governments,
    or
    ►as part of public-private partnerships in order to facilitate Iran trade and investment.

    The new plan focuses on this third option.


    SPV
    a "special purpose vehicle"

    "SPV will mean that EU member states will set up a legal entity (an SPV)
    to facilitate legitimate financial transactions with Iran,
    and
    this will allow European companies to continue trade with Iran" (despite Trump's opposition).

    Federica Mogherini side by side with Iran’s Foreign Minister Javad Zarif announced jointly, in English and Farsi,
    after a meeting at the U.N. of the parties still committed to the deal—Iran, EU, U.K., France, Germany, Russia and China.
    In fact, everyone but the US.

    Mogherini indicated that
    Germany, France and the U.K. would set up 'a multinational state-backed financial intermediary' (the SPVs)
    which would
    ►deal with companies interested in Iran transactions and with Iranian counter-parties.

    The transactions
    , presumably in euros and pounds sterling, would not be transparent to American authorities.
    (European companies dealing with 'the state-owned intermediary' technically
    might not even be in violation of the U.S. sanctions as currently written.


    NOT 'JUST' IRAN

    In a potentially massive development,
    ►the system would be likely be open to Russia and China as well
    and
    ►it would enable the world's economies to trade with each other, fully independent of SWIFT.

    Europe would thus provide an infrastructure for legal, secure sanction busting
    and a guarantee that the transactions would not be reported to American regulators.


    WIMPS OR WARRIORS?

    “We are not backing down [on the Iran nuclear agreement]",
    "speeches by European leaders
    (at the Security Council meeting Mr. Trump is hosting on Wednesday on nonproliferation, including Iran)
    will reflect the Monday night statement". (uh-huh.. i doubt it. we'll see.)

    ...the participants of the 2015 nuclear deal, formally known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action or JCPOA,
    "underlined their determination to protect the freedom of their economic operators to pursue legitimate business with Iran."
    blah, blah, blah...
    ►(sure. We'll see if EU, U.K., France, Germany survive the next 24 hours of threats and bribes & hang onto their balls till tomorrow.)


    GLOBAL RESISTANCE

    The optics of this move by the European Union together with China and Russia to defy the U.S.
    signals [growing] continued criticism of the Trump administration for its decisions on Iran
    and strikes at the heart of the current economic and financial system which is held together by the dollar.

    By providing an alternative, the global resistance sets the stage for what potentially could be
    the ascendancy of other global reserve currencies,
    and/or
    a world of bilateral trade agreements which bypass both the US Dollar and Swift entirely,
    eliminating Washington's "veto powers" on global trade.

    "working to undermine the dollar’s global dominance isn’t ultimately about Iran at all."
    Creating "a defensible banking architecture" may well be the end goal
    (Iran is merely a convenient pretext)
    The nuclear agreement is [conveniently] one of the few things that unite the EU, China and Russia against the U.S.
    ....it’s only with Europe, home of the world’s second biggest reserve currency,
    that [China and Russia] stand a chance of challenging American dominance.


    STEALTH

    That said, Washington would not be without recourse,
    although at that point, all the U.S. could do is sanction:
    ►the participating countries’ central banks
    or
    ►SWIFT (for facilitating the transactions)
    **if the special purpose vehicle uses SWIFT, rather than ad hoc messaging.

    Given U.S. law enforcement’s wide reach, there would still be a risk involved.
    European governments may not be able to protect the companies from it.
    Firms will be tempted to try the new infrastructure, however, but the public isn't likely to find out if they do.

    In any case, in response to Trump's aggressive foreign policies and "weaponization" of the dollar,
    it is worthwhile for Europe, Russia and China to experiment with dollar-free business.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 09-26-2018 at 03:36 PM.

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    'WE ARE WATCHING'




    John Bolton issues Iran threats



    US-EU rift cracks wide open over Iran sanctions
    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/...o-John-Bolton-


    US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said he was "disturbed and indeed deeply disappointed" by the EU announcement.

    "This is one of the most counterproductive measures imaginable for regional and global peace and security," Pompeo said
    in a speech that was interrupted several times by protesters.

    US National Security Adviser John Bolton also mocked Brussels for its lack of detail on the planned mechanism, saying,
    "The European Union is strong on rhetoric and weak on follow-through …
    we do not intend to allow our sanctions to be evaded by Europe or anybody else.”

    The hawkish US politician also issued warnings to high-ranking Iranian officials, saying,
    “We are watching, and we will come after you."


    Lyrics: The time has come the Walrus said
    for us to bomb Iran
    Come on Mister Billionaire
    you are a bigly man
    Sign the order load the nukes
    and drop ‘em on Tehran
    Don’t let ‘em say that you are weak
    Show the world who’s got the biggest hands
    Come on dance with me you sexy thing
    Feel the rush that Armageddon brings
    So hit that button and let freedom ring
    ring ring ring yeah


    The Walrus and the Billionaire
    set out to start a war
    They brought along a Mad Dog
    and a press room fulla whores
    Holdin’ hands
    Clickin’ heels
    Skippin’ down that red brick road
    They laughed like kids on Christmas and got hard-ons
    as they filled the sky with drones
    We’ll kill the world and dance upon its bones
    And then my love we’ll finally be alone
    We’ll take the skulls and build ourselves a home
    home home home home home yeah


    Wasn’t cuddled by his mom
    His mind is made of cluster bombs
    But baby that mustache is flawless
    He’s the egg man he’s the Walrus


    Don’t be afraid of him
    The light is pourin’ in
    This time the humans win
    win win win yeah


    Evil mutant death walrus (repeat)


    (Johnstone/Foley)




    .....song keeps getting better with every replay.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 09-26-2018 at 03:10 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post



    Reuters Top News
    India's government has not told refiners to halt Iranian oil imports: source
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKCN1M60HV


    “We have good relations with Iran and the U.S. and our decision is not hinged on energy,” said the government source.
    India has close diplomatic ties with Iran and is also building the strategic Chabahar port in the Middle Eastern country.
    It is expected to be operational by 2019.
    However, at the same time, India is closely working with U.S. to further its strategic interests
    and recently signed a military communications agreement with the United States.
    Epic failure on foreign policy by Trump. If you can't get India (with its slave-like colonial mindset) to fall in line wrt to Iran, then you will definitely not get China to fall in line. Maybe not even the EUrocrats.
    -

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    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...meet-un-838588

    Said Rouhani offered to meet with him many times but Trump turned him down. Rouhani says he never offered to meet with Trump.

    Trump won't meet Rouhani at U.N., calls him 'absolutely lovely man'

    President Donald Trump said Tuesday that he will not meet with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani this week while the two are in New York for the United Nations General Assembly, but he nonetheless said the Iranian leader was probably “an absolutely lovely man.”

    “Despite requests, I have no plans to meet Iranian President Hassan Rouhani,” Trump wrote on Twitter. “Maybe someday in the future. I am sure he is an absolutely lovely man!



    Rouhani, in an interview with NBC News that aired Monday, also ruled out a meeting with Trump, saying “the necessary willpower is absent in order to resolve outstanding issues."

    Trump has been a tireless critic of Iran since assuming office, making good on a campaign promise to pull the U.S. out of a multilateral nuclear agreement negotiated by the administration of Barack Obama. The Trump administration has also reimposed tough economic sanctions on Iran, putting significant strain on its economy.

    The president has long lambasted the nuclear deal, intended to block Iran’s path to a nuclear weapon in exchange for economic sanction relief, as inadequate, complaining that it did not truly rein in Iran’s nuclear program and did not address other areas of concern, including the Islamic Republic’s support for groups deemed by the U.S. to be terrorist organizations.

    Relations with Iran, which had improved slowly under Obama, have chilled since Trump took office. Iranian rhetoric toward the U.S. has sharpened dramatically in recent months, including threats of violence, even as Rouhani’s government has sought to shore up the nuclear agreement with the other countries that are part of it.

    Trump has previously expressed a willingness to meet with Rouhani, remarking at a press conference last July that he would be willing to meet with Iranian leaders, without preconditions, "any time they want to.”

  22. #19
    good dialog on the SPV bypass...


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    Russia, Pakistan sign MoU on gas pipeline from Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    Will Pakistan brave US sanctions to build the delayed gas pipeline?
    the pipeline is kind ahead of its time.... like so many of the belt road initiatives... too much too soon... some day it will make good sense.
    Russia, Pakistan sign MoU on gas pipeline from Iran

    Russia and Pakistan signed a memorandum of understanding on implementing a project to build an underwater gas pipeline from Iran to Pakistan and India, the Russian Energy Ministry said in a statement Thursday.

    “The memorandum provides for the identification of authorized organisations through which the project will be supported, including during the development of a feasibility study, identification of the resource base, configuration and route of the gas pipeline,” the statement said, Xinhua reported.

    Russian Deputy Energy Minister Anatoly Yanovsky and Pakistan’s Ministry of Energy Additional Secretary Sher Afgan Khan signed the document in Moscow.

    Now Russia will have to inform Iran and India about the signing, after which it expects to sign a similar document with India, Yanovsky said in the statement.

    The project was frozen in 2013 due to the imposition of sanctions against Iran, but its revival started in 2017. In November 2017, Russia and Iran signed a memorandum that envisaged Russian support for gas supplies from Iran to India.

    In March, a Russian-Iranian working group on the implementation of the project had its first meeting.

    According to Yanovsky, Russia and Pakistan were holding consultations on another project of building the 1,100 kilometer North-South Gas Pipeline (NSGP) between Pakistan’s Karachi and Lahore to transport 12.3 billion cubic meters of gas per year.

    The implementation of an agreement signed in October last year between Russia and Pakistan on Russian liquefied natural gas (LNG) supplies “can become a promising direction of cooperation,” he said.

    The governments of the two countries were also considering signing an agreement on Russian oil products supplies to Pakistan, Yanovsky said.

    In addition, Russian electric power industry has shown interest in the Pakistani market, he said.

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by homahr View Post
    Russia, Pakistan sign MoU on gas pipeline from Iran

    Russia and Pakistan signed a memorandum of understanding on implementing a project to build an underwater gas pipeline from Iran to Pakistan and India, the Russian Energy Ministry said in a statement Thursday.

    “The memorandum provides for the identification of authorized organisations through which the project will be supported, including during the development of a feasibility study, identification of the resource base, configuration and route of the gas pipeline,” the statement said, Xinhua reported.

    Russian Deputy Energy Minister Anatoly Yanovsky and Pakistan’s Ministry of Energy Additional Secretary Sher Afgan Khan signed the document in Moscow.

    Now Russia will have to inform Iran and India about the signing, after which it expects to sign a similar document with India, Yanovsky said in the statement.

    The project was frozen in 2013 due to the imposition of sanctions against Iran, but its revival started in 2017. In November 2017, Russia and Iran signed a memorandum that envisaged Russian support for gas supplies from Iran to India.

    In March, a Russian-Iranian working group on the implementation of the project had its first meeting.

    According to Yanovsky, Russia and Pakistan were holding consultations on another project of building the 1,100 kilometer North-South Gas Pipeline (NSGP) between Pakistan’s Karachi and Lahore to transport 12.3 billion cubic meters of gas per year.

    The implementation of an agreement signed in October last year between Russia and Pakistan on Russian liquefied natural gas (LNG) supplies “can become a promising direction of cooperation,” he said.

    The governments of the two countries were also considering signing an agreement on Russian oil products supplies to Pakistan, Yanovsky said.

    In addition, Russian electric power industry has shown interest in the Pakistani market, he said.
    Good... I hope it happens. It can start with a simple MoU and 'working groups'...
    It will take political will beyond the joint-working group's business vision for 'feasibility' and win/win 'profits'.
    Having a new Pak Prime Minister doesn't hurt either...
    but
    (here we go again) looks like Pak/Ind 'relations' are on the skids .

  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    Good... I hope it happens. It can start with a simple MoU and 'working groups'...
    It will take political will beyond the joint-working group's business vision for 'feasibility' and win/win 'profits'.
    Having a new Pak Prime Minister doesn't hurt either...
    but
    (here we go again) looks like Pak/Ind 'relations' are on the skids .
    Yes, the new Pak prime minister is interesting although he is a bit socialist on the economist side, but the left wingers in Pakistan (Bhutto supporters) think he's right-wing. Not entirely sure about where to put him. I do like his 'we don't need US aid' statements, but need actual action on that.

    Russia/Putin has always toyed with the Pakistani establishment, saying that Putin will visit but that is always cancelled. Maybe Putin will land in Islamabad soon, especially with a new leader? That will be highly significant.

    Hopefully the India/Pak flare-up is just like the ones in the past, short and temporary and goes back to status-quo. All countries in the region (China,Iran,Russia) would not want to see a full-scale war between the two.

    Lavrov (Russian FM) and Qureshi (Pakistan FM) seem to be getting along:


    Last edited by homahr; 10-01-2018 at 03:27 PM.



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