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    Atlantic Magazine: Immigration is Fracturing America into Rival Tribes

    Immigration is splitting the United States into warring tribes, says an unusual article in the strongly pro-migration Atlantic magazine.

    The article, headlined “The Threat of Tribalism,” admitted:
    The causes of America’s resurgent tribalism are many. They include seismic demographic change, which has led to predictions that whites will lose their majority status within a few decades; declining social mobility and a growing class divide; and media that reward expressions of outrage.
    But the mass immigration of 44.5 million people is the primary cause of the three other factors — “declining social mobility and a growing class divide; and media that reward expressions of outrage.”
    Yet the authors do not even suggest any changes whatsoever to the replacement-level immigration which brings in one foreigner every year for every four Americans who turn 18, which lowers wages, and ensures an expanding array of rival languages and civic rules in the United States:
    In 2017, there were 85 cities in which a majority of residents spoke a foreign language at home. These include:
    – Hialeah, Fla. (95%);
    – Laredo, Texas (92%);
    – East Los Angeles, Calif. (90%)
    – Elizabeth, N.J. (76%);
    – Skokie, Ill. (56%);https://t.co/PoqBObJfmJ
    — Center for Immigration Studies (@CIS_org) September 19, 2018
    The two Yale authors, professors Amy Chua and Jed Rubenfeld, describe the diversity created by immigration:
    All of this has contributed to a climate in which every group in America—minorities and whites; conservatives and liberals; the working class and elites—feels under attack, pitted against the others not just for jobs and spoils, but for the right to define the nation’s identity. In these conditions, democracy devolves into a zero-sum competition, one in which parties succeed by stoking voters’ fears and appealing to their ugliest us-versus-them instincts.
    Again, the authors do not suggest any immigration changes that could lower public fears over the elite’s determination to change the nation’s identity to suit their elite interests.
    Elite groups openly acknowledge that immigration is the force which now drives American politics — including the shocking election of real-estate developer Donald Trump in 2016. As New York Magazine says in a review of Chua’s earlier book:
    Perhaps the most bitter of all contemporary political battles — and a Trump favorite — is immigration, which behind the ideological posturing is a referendum on whose tribe will control the country’s demographic future …
    Similarly, a new study by authors from the University of Michigan argues that the nation’s tribal polarization is driven by rising racial and ethnic conflict:
    Race/ethnicity now cleaves the parties more neatly than ever, and not simply because Democrats and Republicans disagree in their attitudes about race itself. In fact, whites are sorting out of the Democratic party at a significant rate while minorities are standing pat. Figure 1 presents evidence in this regard using the American National Election Studies time-series data starting from 1952. The growing racial gap between the two parties is evident. As the share of Whites among self-identified Democrats is rapidly decreasing (outpacing demographic changes in the country as a whole), the Republican Party remains overwhelmingly White. Our conjecture is that it is these changes in race and ethnicity that drive most of the affective polarization we have witnessed over the last 30 years.
    By failing to identify immigration’s role in the problem, the two Yale authors are left with a few recommendations so vague as to be useless.
    They urge that conservative Americans step up their efforts to persuade minorities that they are equal — as if Americans have not been trying to do that at enormous expense since the civil war, and as if immigration does not fuel the ethnic politics which denies equality between Americans and immigrants.
    The Atlantic authorsdo offer some cautious criticism of the progressive left which has worked with business to impose and preserve mass migration, even after the 2016 election:
    For its part, the left needs to rethink its scorched-earth approach to American history and ideals. Exposing injustice, past and present, is important, but there’s a world of difference between saying that America has repeatedly failed to live up to its constitutional principles and saying that those principles are lies or smoke screens for oppression.
    But neither of those two recommendations address what the Yale authors admit is the primary cause of rising tribalism — the elite’s policy of importing foreign workers and their tribes into the United States.
    Nor did they provide readers even a cursory description of President Donald Trump’s promised fix, his Four Pillars reforms.
    Moreover, neither author acknowledges the basic reality that their peers in the elite do want tribalism to overthrow Americans’ shared, non-racial, civic culture, which the elites prefer to dismiss as merely a “white” culture. Chua indirectly admits this goal in her 2018 book, Political Tribes: Group Instinct and the Fate of Nations, as the New York Magazine reviewer describes:
    Better-educated whites, who dominate the country’s political and cultural institutions and are the main beneficiaries of the globalized economy, have adopted as their “tribal” identity a sort of post-national cosmopolitanism, defined against what they regard as the provincial culture of poor whites …
    it seems inevitable that American whites will lose their majority status sometime around the middle of the current century. More cosmopolitan whites tend to view this prospect with indifference or even excitement.
    For example, Bloomberg writer Noah Smith welcomes the government-imposed foreign populations because it means that Americans cannot expect the millions of foreigners in their midst to follow Americans’ collective civic rules about how people are supposed to behave. Smith claims:
    Diversity provides a backstop defense against the natural tendencies of homogenization and conformity … A country with institutions strong enough not to have to rely on homogeneity will be the strongest country imaginable.
    But the civic culture destroyed by diversity includes shared expectations of civic equality within freedom, of Internet-enabled free speech and organization, and of debates over facts not feelings. The civic rules help Americans prevent their elite from segregating themselves into “oligarchical socialism,” globalist virtue-signaling, elite colleges and gated communities, stock-market wealth, and technological power over political debate.
    Smith does admit his experiment with imposed civic variety may prove disastrous to American people:
    I believe that there is a chance our experiment might fail. That building a free society from people of all races, religions, and national origins might in fact prove too hard a task …
    But no matter the risk to 300 million non-elite Americans, Smith insists “the America experiment [with diversity] must continue.”
    Smith counters polite criticism of his diversity-first argument by describing his critics as racists, so exemplifying the tribalism which Smith uses and which the two Atlantic authors claim to oppose:
    1/Tucker Carlson's question – "How is diversity our strength?" was not asked in good faith, but for purposes of racist demagoguery.
    But I will try to answer it in good faith, because it's an important question in its own right.https://t.co/9BTP6sm9eO
    — Noah Smith (@Noahpinion) September 9, 2018
    Of course, ordinary Americans — of all colors and classes and variations — are collectively pushing back against their hostile elite. New York Magazine insists on defining them see as “whites,” but the members of Trump’s multi-colored coalition have:
    defined their tribal identity in opposition to the [elite] Establishment, which they perceive as a distant, occupying foreign power, indifferent to their interests and intent on elevating minorities and foreigners to pride of place within “their” country.
    The Atlantic article can be read here.


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    Important line from the article:

    In these conditions, democracy devolves into a zero-sum competition, one in which parties succeed by stoking voters’ fears and appealing to their ugliest us-versus-them instincts.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 09-23-2018 at 06:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Important line from the article:

    In these conditions, democracy devolves into a zero-sum competition, one in which parties succeed by stoking voters’ fears and appealing to their ugliest us-versus-them instincts.
    Which is why we shouldn't import millions of immigrants
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Which is why we shouldn't import millions of immigrants
    There is a great example of that exploitation of fears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Important line from the article:



    The other "tribes" sure do like white people's money (taxation).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    There is a great example of that exploitation of fears.
    Importing millions of incompatible foreigners creates the fear, if you don't want the fear exploited don't create it, bringing in the hordes of barbarians is the surest way to create NAZIs and Knownothings.

    Is it exploiting a fear of snakes to recommend avoiding snake pits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    There is a great example of that exploitation of fears.
    My fear is well founded, when compared to past history, and the current rhetoric coming from the "new tribes" that my oppressors have imported over the last 50 years.

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    Better-educated whites, who dominate the country’s political and cultural institutions and are the main beneficiaries of the globalized economy, have adopted as their “tribal” identity a sort of post-national cosmopolitanism
    Stupid, Quisling whites, whose idiot offspring is out there bashing fash...this is the real enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    My fear is well founded, when compared to past history, and the current rhetoric coming from the "new tribes" that my oppressors have imported over the last 50 years.
    Maybe the government should do something to help protect you. Like the other discriminated against classes.

    (Have we achieved equality when everybody feels persecuted or threatened?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Maybe the government should do something to help protect you. Like the other discriminated against classes.

    (Have we achieved equality when everybody feels persecuted or threatened?)
    Government doesn't have to do anything for or to me.

    All it has to do is stop trying to turn New England into New Ghana.

    Ever wonder why a heavy handed police state has been put in place?

    To keep a lid on the simmering stew of various ethnic and religious and cultural tribes at each other's throats.

    You know what happens when the government fails at that task?

    Rwanda.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 09-23-2018 at 09:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Maybe the government should do something to help protect you. Like the other discriminated against classes.

    (Have we achieved equality when everybody feels persecuted or threatened?)
    Maybe it is their duty to protect their citizens against foreigners, maybe it always was.
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    American institutions rest solely on good citizenship. They were created by people who had a background of self-government. New arrivals should be limited to our capacity to absorb them into the ranks of good citizenship. America must be kept American. For this purpose, it is necessary to continue a policy of restricted immigration. It would be well to make such immigration of a selective nature with some inspection at the source, and based either on a prior census or upon the record of naturalization. Either method would insure the admission of those with the largest capacity and best intention of becoming citizens. I am convinced that our present economic and social conditions warrant a limitation of those to be admitted. We should find additional safety in a law requiring the immediate registration of all aliens. Those' who do not want to be partakers of the American spirit ought not to settle in America.

    Who said that?
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 09-23-2018 at 09:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    American institutions rest solely on good citizenship. They were created by people who had a background of self-government. New arrivals should be limited to our capacity to absorb them into the ranks of good citizenship. America must be kept American. For this purpose, it is necessary to continue a policy of restricted immigration. It would be well to make such immigration of a selective nature with some inspection at the source, and based either on a prior census or upon the record of naturalization. Either method would insure the admission of those with the largest capacity and best intention of becoming citizens. I am convinced that our present economic and social conditions warrant a limitation of those to be admitted. We should find additional safety in a law requiring the immediate registration of all aliens. Those' who do not want to be partakers of the American spirit ought not to settle in America.

    Who said that?
    Coolidge also said:

    “Whether one traces his Americanism back three centuries to the Mayflower, or three years of the steerage, is not half so important as whether his Americanism of to-day is real and genuine. No matter by what various crafts we came here, we are all now in the same boat.”
    …when once our feet have touched this soil, when once we have made this land our home, wherever our place of birth, whatever our race, we are all blended in one common country. All artificial distinctions of lineage and rank are cast aside. We all rejoice in the title of Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Coolidge also said:
    Yes he did, and that is what is missing.

    There is no measure of any kind taken of how well or of what benefit a new migrant brings to the table, or if they will live by an ideal of limited government, let alone even understand the principle.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Coolidge also said:
    Please note that he is referring to those who assimilate into American culture, if too many come too fast they don't assimilate.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Coolidge also said:

    All artificial distinctions of lineage and rank are cast aside. We all rejoice in the title of Americans.”
    The new tribes do not, that is precisely the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Enriched.

    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

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    You guys engage in a conversation with the communist. Cute.
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