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    Satanís Sin

    Satanís Sin

    BRANDON T. WARD

    Satanís sin is one of the keys to understanding why man exists today in the flesh. In our study ďThe World That Was, The First Earth AgeĒ we documented there was a completely different dispensation of time before this present age we find ourselves in. It was a time where man existed in their spiritual bodies. A time when the sons of God sang for joy. The sons of God being the stars of God who are the Heavenly host (Job 2:1, 38:7, Isaiah 14:13, Daniel 8:10-11). Unfortunately, something detestable occurred in The First Earth Age. Satan sinned by rebelling against our Father in The World That Was.


    In this study we are going to document the fall of Satan from his position of power in The First Earth Age. We are going to explain the details of what happened and what Godís children did. With that having been said, let us begin.

    Before we start our Bible study, let us ask our Father for wisdom and understanding of His Word, in Jesus name amen.

    First, let us document who the stars and sons of God are spoken of in the book of Job. Please turn your Bible with me to,

    Job 38:7
    7 ďWhen the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?Ē

    The sons of God are the angels as Job 2:1 will document. There is no gender involved here, this includes everyone; those who have passed on before us, those alive today and those who will come after us. We should note that we all have two bodies, a flesh body and a spiritual body. When we pass on, we return to our Father and we occupy our true body, our spiritual body which has the same appearance as our flesh body, but it is comprised of a different substance as it does not get sick, old or die (1 Corinthians 15:35-55, 2 Corinthians 5:8).

    We know the time element of this verse is historical, the sons of God are not together or shouting for joy. We know the fallen angels are bound in chains while Michael keeps a firm grip on Satan, that is not joy (Jude 1:6). We should note, in the Eternity there will be one Morning Star and that is Jesus Christ, documenting this verse is not future.

    So why then were the sons of God shouting for joy? In The First Earth Age we were with God in our spiritual bodies, there was no pain, sorrow or death. It was a wonderful time until the fall (katabole) of Satan.

    The morning stars that sang with the sons of God are in fact Christ and Satan. Let us document that. Out of Christ own mouth, ďI am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning starĒ (Revelation 22:16). We can document one of Satanís many names is Lucifer in Isaiah 14:12 where we will be going in a moment. There Satan is called, ďson of the morningĒ and the very word Lucifer (1966) means, ďthe morning star.Ē So let there be no doubt who we are talking about in Job 38:7. Christ and Satan at one time both sang together for joy in ďThe World That Was, The First Earth Ageď.

    That time of joy and harmony would unfortunately come to an end when iniquity was found in Satan.

    Please turn your Bible with me to,

    Isaiah 14:12
    12 ďHow art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!Ē

    This prophecy is future to us. The souls and physical bodies of Satan and his angels are bound in Heaven until they are cast out by Michael at the sixth trumpet, even so their evil spirits do roam the earth (Jude 1:6, Revelation 12:7-9). Christ told Satan to get behind Him and that is where Satan is (Matthew 4:1-11).

    Isaiah 14:13-14
    13 ďFor thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:Ē

    14 ďI will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.Ē

    This is in fact Satanís sin. Satan wanted to ascend into Heaven, meaning a higher place than the stars of God who are the children of God. Satan wanted to occupy the very Throne of our Father which was upon the mountain. Satanís position which we will learn of shortly was very prestigious, he covered the Throne of God, yet it was not enough for Satan. He wanted more, he wanted to occupy Godís Throne, Satan wanted to be God.

    Isaiah 14:15
    15 ďYet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.Ē

    Continued...
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    “We should note that we all have two bodies, a flesh body and a spiritual body. “

    This is not a Christian teaching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    “We should note that we all have two bodies, a flesh body and a spiritual body. “

    This is not a Christian teaching.
    Why?

    It is truth.. it is scriptural... Why is it not taught?

    We are spiritual beings,,, in a physical Body (Temporary)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    “We should note that we all have two bodies, a flesh body and a spiritual body. “

    This is not a Christian teaching.

    It is all well documented. Chapter by chapter, precept upon precept ( Isaiah 28:10 ). Study with understanding and ask God to give you knowledge and wisdom ( 2 Timothy 2:15 ) so you will instinctively know what is right and wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Why?

    It is truth.. it is scriptural... Why is it not taught?

    We are spiritual beings,,, in a physical Body (Temporary)
    Wrong. That is Gnosticism.

    We are trinitarian in being. Body, soul, spirit. We are created with one body, albeit one in a sick and fallen condition which is corrupt and leads to death. Hence the reason Christ came.

    In the General Ressurection, we will rise with the same body, however spiritualized. This is what Christians have always believed, even from the first century when the Gnostics starting to invent heresies apart from apostolic teachings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    It is all well documented. Chapter by chapter, precept upon precept ( Isaiah 28:10 ). Study with understanding and ask God to give you knowledge and wisdom ( 2 Timothy 2:15 ) so you will instinctively know what is right and wrong.
    The heresy in the OP is not well documented. At least, not in the Christian Bible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    Wrong. That is Gnosticism.

    We are trinitarian in being. Body, soul, spirit. We are created with one body, albeit one in a sick and fallen condition which is corrupt and leads to death. Hence the reason Christ came.

    In the General Ressurection, we will rise with the same body, however spiritualized. This is what Christians have always believed, even from the first century when the Gnostics starting to invent heresies apart from apostolic teachings.

    These Orthodox teachings sound more likeOP than you:

    The soul is a substance that is distinct from the body yet totally integrated with it. It is totally different than anything material. Paul tells us, What is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? (Matt 16:26) Also, Fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul (Matt 10:28).

    The word soul (ψυχή psychē) in Greek means life or vital breath, so we might think of it as the breath of God that God breathed into man when he was made and given life. Saint Gregory the Theologian says that the soul is the breath of God, and while being heavenly, it endures being mixed with what is of the dust. It is mixed like the yeast is with flour to form bread. At death the body and soul temporally separate, but this is not a separation forever. At the General Resurrection we will arise in a new renewed form uniting body and soul.

    Basically, how the soul originates in an individual is not known, but remains a mystery. We do know that it does not preexist as in the philosophy of Plato. The Church has rejected this view.
    Soul is immortal

    The soul is immortal and this is one of the most fundamental aspects of our Christian faith. This view predated the New testament times. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return to God Who gave it. (Eccl. 12:7) Jesus often pointed to the immortality of the soul as the foundation of a pious life. He condemned the Saducces, who denied the immorality of the soul.
    Paul teaches,

    For me …to die is gain...having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ (Phil 1:21,23). For we know that, if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven (II Cor 5:1-2).
    Soul is meant to govern the body

    From the early Church Fathers we learn that it is characteristic of the soul to govern the strivings of the body, and characteristic of the body to accept this governance. The apostle Paul said that the "body wars against" the soul, and that "I buffet my body", to keep it under control. It is like the body is the tool of an artist and that artist is the soul. It is not a natural condition for the soul to be subject to the impulses of the body. The soul is capable of entering into warfare with the strivings of the body as if it is something foreign to it and hostile to it and able to gain victory over it. Our present condition is a difficult and unnatural one as the body is in control of the soul and the soul is separated from God as illustrated on the left in the diagram below. This is far different from the natural condition shown on the right where the Soul is in harmony with God and directs the body.

    This is our major challenge and responsibility to ask God to help our soul regain its control over the bodily demands. The sacraments of the Church help us in this task. Of course we must first recognize this condition and have sufficient humbleness to ask for God’s help and forgiveness.

    In Genesis we learned that man was created in the likeness and image of God. Scripture only says that man was created “in the image of God” but does not tell us what part manifests this image. Some see it as reason, others as free will, and others immortality. It may well be all of these. But since we know that God is not clothed by a kind of body like our flesh and bones, this image of necessity resides in the our soul.
    Creation

    How are we to interpret Genesis?
    How was the world created?
    How was man created?
    Do you know your soul?

    Click here to return to the Catechism of the Orthodox Faith


    http://stgeorgegreenville.org/our-fa...know-your-soul
    and

    The soul is a mystical concept that we cannot totally understand. The word is derived from the Greek word “psyche” and has many meanings as used in Scripture. It is a word often used interchangeably with spirit. Our Church Fathers have given us various insights about the nature of the soul. From the account of Creation in Genesis, the first man is created from earth and then God breathed into him and he became a living being. The word used for breath is the word we translate into soul. So in the broadest sense the soul is the inbreathing of God into our being to give us life. The soul is how the material world is connected to God. Body and soul were created at the same time creating a unity of body and soul. There are two principles that come together, spirit and earth. The soul makes the material element become conscious and capable of willful actions. With a soul in the body, spirit can meet the world.


    There is no church dogma on the soul other than to say that it does not preexist our birth, but is given at the time of conception by the will of God. How the soul is created in each person remains a mystery. The Church Fathers teach that the soul is the image of God and has the powers of nourishment, imagination, instinct and intelligence.


    It permeates the entire body and is bound up in it, but transcends its materiality. It is not a derivative of the brain or the body, but has it own distinctness. It is the soul that gives us consciousness. We are created in this way to bring the created material world into union with the eternal principles of the world God created. This involves a dialogue and a collaboration with God.

    Our soul provides these capabilities. By this means God makes the world spiritual and does so though mankind. Through the soul, humankind brings about the spiritualization of the entire world.

    http://orthodoxwayoflife.blogspot.co...and-heart.html
    The idea that the spirit has a distinct per-existence might be wrong according to you, but the idea that it is an individual things distinct form the body is correct. Interestingly enough, the comparison is not made to the Trinity. Which makes sense. The two concepts aren't comparable. Your body is not a distinctive thinking being separate from your spirit. It is a rotting meat bag without a spirit. The second source even notes that soul and spirit aren't separate things or ideas, they're synonyms for the same thing.

    Also, the definition of Christianity isn't "Only what Orthodox Christians believe." You can believe something totally different than the Orthodox Church and still be Christian.

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    The OP didn’t mention the soul. It said we have two bodies, one material and one spiritual.

    It says that when we are resurrected, we will arise with a body that ‘looks’ like our material body, but is different.

    That is not Christian teaching. Christ arose with the same body He died with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    These Orthodox teachings sound more likeOP than you:



    and



    The idea that the spirit has a distinct per-existence might be wrong according to you, but the idea that it is an individual things distinct form the body is correct. Interestingly enough, the comparison is not made to the Trinity. Which makes sense. The two concepts aren't comparable. Your body is not a distinctive thinking being separate from your spirit. It is a rotting meat bag without a spirit. The second source even notes that soul and spirit aren't separate things or ideas, they're synonyms for the same thing.

    Also, the definition of Christianity isn't "Only what Orthodox Christians believe." You can believe something totally different than the Orthodox Church and still be Christian.
    People can believe whatever they wish. Does not mean it is Christian. Similar to how Mormons can call themselves Christians, but that does not make it so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    The OP didn’t mention the soul. It said we have two bodies, one material and one spiritual.

    It says that when we are resurrected, we will arise with a body that ‘looks’ like our material body, but is different.

    That is not Christian teaching. Christ arose with the same body He died with.
    Jesus Christ was transfigured look it up. ( Matthew 17:2 )

    Your spirit is your intellect.

    Job 32:8 (KJV)
    8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

    Ecclesiastes 12:6-7 (KJV)
    6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

    7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    People can believe whatever they wish. Does not mean it is Christian. Similar to how Mormons can call themselves Christians, but that does not make it so.
    It's not our job to judge who is Christian and who isn't--God is the ultimate judge.

    Matthew 7:16-20 (KJV)
    16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

    17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

    18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

    19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

    20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Jesus Christ was transfigured look it up. ( Matthew 17:2 )

    Your spirit is your intellect.
    Wrong. The intellect (nous) is an attribute of the soul.


    Ecclesiastes 12:6-7 (KJV)
    6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

    7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
    Yes. The body does return to the earth and the spirit to God. That is, until the resurrection, when we will be raised in the same body. Yes, it will be transformed, spiritualized, transfigured, or whatever other term one wishes to use. But, it will be the same body we were born with and struggled with in this world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    It's not our job to judge who is Christian and who isn't--God is the ultimate judge.

    Matthew 7:16-20 (KJV)
    16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

    17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

    18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

    19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

    20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
    Yes, God is the Judge. We can certainly call out a heresy when we one is being passed off as Christian teaching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    Wrong. The intellect (nous) is an attribute of the soul.



    Yes. The body does return to the earth and the spirit to God. Until the resurrection, when we will be raised in the same body. Yes, it will be transformed, spiritualized, transfigured, or whatever other term one wishes to use. But, it will be the same body we were born with and struggled with in this world.
    Instantly when we die, our spirit goes back to God--instantly. That is it. No resurrection afterwards. White Throne Judgment after the millennium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    Yes, God is the Judge. We can certainly call out a heresy when we one is being passed off as Christian teaching.

    Just remember Satan knows scripture better than most people who 'claim' to be Christian. Satan tried tempting Jesus with scripture but he always twists the Truth. That is why Jesus said, "get behind me Satan." Satan is locked up in Heaven by Michael but his spirit traverses the earth. Woe to those who teach God's WORD falsely.

    1 Peter 4:17-19 (KJV)
    17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

    18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

    19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.


    That's why it is imperative to study God's WORD with understanding. If you do not know what happened in the beginning, you'll never understand what happens in the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    Wrong. The intellect (nous) is an attribute of the soul.



    Yes. The body does return to the earth and the spirit to God. That is, until the resurrection, when we will be raised in the same body. Yes, it will be transformed, spiritualized, transfigured, or whatever other term one wishes to use. But, it will be the same body we were born with and struggled with in this world.
    The spirit is the intellect of our souls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    The OP didn’t mention the soul. It said we have two bodies, one material and one spiritual.

    It says that when we are resurrected, we will arise with a body that ‘looks’ like our material body, but is different.

    That is not Christian teaching. Christ arose with the same body He died with.
    That is true.. Body, Soul and Spirit.. and only the Body is Physical.

    Soul and Spirit are often combined as they are both poorly defined by any physical descriptors.

    and yes we will have a new body at the Resurrection. even if the original was digested by fish or vaporized in an instant.

    The Eternal part continues..Your Spiritual Body and your mind (soul) which will stand before the Judge of Creation.

    The Redeemed,, The Elect,, The Church,, (many names) will receive New Bodies and a New Earth.(no doubt compatible) and live in the presence of the Creator.

    There is no confusion in my mind.(having seen a small piece of it) but that only strengthened my Faith. (and showed me "why")
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    Satan’s Sin

    oddly, this goes back to "Original Sin".

    and the confusion that has been taught about "original sin",, and focuses on Man..

    Sin entered the world through man (Adam) but it did not ORIGINATE with Man.

    Everything God has been doing from the beginning was about redeeming Man..

    Including becoming a Man and being executed brutally,,, to Redeem Man.

    The focus has been taken off the real crime,, and the perpetrator has become the accuser.

    It is a matter of Perspective,, and mine has been changed...
    For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
    Last edited by pcosmar; 09-17-2018 at 02:54 PM.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Instantly when we die, our spirit goes back to God--instantly. That is it. No resurrection afterwards. White Throne Judgment after the millennium.
    So you are saying that there is no resurrection of the dead in the tombs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    The spirit is the intellect of our souls.
    No it isn’t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    That is true.. Body, Soul and Spirit.. and only the Body is Physical.

    Soul and Spirit are often combined as they are both poorly defined by any physical descriptors.

    and yes we will have a new body at the Resurrection. even if the original was digested by fish or vaporized in an instant.

    The Eternal part continues..Your Spiritual Body and your mind (soul) which will stand before the Judge of Creation.

    The Redeemed,, The Elect,, The Church,, (many names) will receive New Bodies and a New Earth.(no doubt compatible) and live in the presence of the Creator.

    There is no confusion in my mind.(having seen a small piece of it) but that only strengthened my Faith. (and showed me "why")
    It will be the same body healed and transformed.

    But it will be the same body which was buried, turned to dust, or eaten by the worms or the fishes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    It will be the same body healed and transformed.

    But it will be the same body which was buried, turned to dust, or eaten by the worms or the fishes.
    Not the same.. incorruptible.. Perfect Body.. No one has one of those on this earth..

    The sun has one degree of splendor, the moon another, and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor. So will it be with the resurrection of the dead: What is sown is perishable; it is raised imperishable. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power.…
    And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so also shall we bear the likeness of the heavenly man. Now I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—…
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    So you are saying that there is no resurrection of the dead in the tombs?
    No one is in a tomb or a hole in the ground, that is where the flesh goes not their spirit and their soul.

    Did you not follow the parable: The Rich Man and Lazarus? If you had a Companion Bible (KJV) by E. W. Bullinger it is a great study tool, along with the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance. There are different meanings to words written in Hebrew and Greek.

    Luke 16:19-31 (KJV)
    19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

    20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

    21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

    22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

    23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

    24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

    25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

    26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

    27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

    28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

    29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

    30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

    31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TER View Post
    No it isn’t.
    Yes it is. The intellect is the part of soul which studies and understands God's WORD. There is also a mortal soul and a immortal soul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Not the same.. incorruptible.. Perfect Body.. No one has one of those on this earth..
    It is the same body.

    If I take a potato and cook it into a baked potato, it may change consistency and taste, but it is the same potato.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    No one is in a tomb or a hole in the ground, that is where the flesh goes not their spirit and their soul.

    Did you not follow the parable: The Rich Man and Lazarus? If you had a Companion Bible (KJV) by E. W. Bullinger it is a great study tool, along with the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance. There are different meanings to words written in Hebrew and Greek.

    Luke 16:19-31 (KJV)
    19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

    20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

    21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

    22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

    23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

    24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

    25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

    26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

    27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

    28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

    29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

    30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

    31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
    You are misapplying that parable which describes the situation before the general resurrection.

    If you are denying the general resurrection, than you are teaching heresy.
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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Yes it is. The intellect is the part of soul which studies and understands God's WORD. There is also a mortal soul and a immortal soul.
    You said the intellect was the spirit. You are now changing the definition.

    Also, there are not two souls.
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  32. #28
    Isaiah 26:19

    Your dead will live; their corpses will rise. You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, for your dew is as the dew of the dawn, and the earth will give birth to the departed spirits.
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  33. #29
    Daniel 12:2

    And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
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  34. #30
    John 5:25, 28-29

    “I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live… Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out-those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.”
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