Afghan refugee wins New Hampshire statehouse primary

[phill4paul]

Leftarians make better allies than most leftists but we must work with paleo-conservatives as well because the leftarians are too religious and impractical.

I dunno. Most everybody is $#@!ed these days.

[Swordsmyth]

So then it really has nothing to do with whether the Muslims in question support capitalism over socialism?

It has to do with many different aspects of culture, most of them relate to freedom but a few that matter don't directly.

[Swordsmyth]

I dunno. Most everybody is $#@!ed these days.

Ron almost made it work and Trump didn't get as much right but made it work (partly because he got a few thing right Ron didn't), somewhere between the two we can make it work if we get the right candidates.

[phill4paul]

Ron almost made it work and Trump didn't get as much right but made it work (partly because he got a few thing right Ron didn't), somewhere between the two we can make it work if we get the right candidates.

Ain't gonna work. You can see it here. Family, neighbors and friends. that's all you got in this world, Not necessarily in that order, And if it comes down to killing best dig the hole yourself and by the time your done, if your still in the mood, don't include anyone.

[Swordsmyth]

Ain't gonna work. You can see it here. Family, neighbors and friends. that's all you got in this world, Not necessarily in that order, And if it comes down to killing best dig the hole yourself and by the time your done, if your still in the mood, don't include anyone.

I'm going to prepare as if you are right and work as if I am right and leave the rest in GOD's hands.

[jmdrake]

Yep. Deters others from doing so. Got a problem with that? Care to come steal from me?

So if the answer is "yes" then why did you call that a straw man argument?

[phill4paul]

So if the answer is "yes" then why did you call that a straw man argument?

I'll get back to you tomorrow if I still have power. You might suss it out by then. g'night.

[CCTelander]

People used to be able to cross our southern and northern border with ease. If you stayed, then there was a problem. This problem is completely and unnecessarily manufactured, just like the so called solution. It's a $#@!ing crime how far this place has fallen.

When I lived in AZ back in the 1980s we used to head down to Nogales, walk across the border and spend the day in Mexico every once in a while. Never had to even show an ID going either way, uasually had a great time. Things were much nicer back then, and much less frickin' authoritarian. And you're right. What this place has become is a crime.

[Anti Federalist]

When I lived in AZ back in the 1980s we used to head down to Nogales, walk across the border and spend the day in Mexico every once in a while. Never had to even show an ID going either way, uasually had a great time. Things were much nicer back then, and much less frickin' authoritarian. And you're right. What this place has become is a crime.

Much of the police state tyranny we suffer under, especially the militarized cops, can be traced back to 9/11.

For the sake of argument, let's say the "accepted" story is true, that Islamic radicals learned rudimentary flight skills then hijacked planes using, at the time, perfectly legal boxcutters and other tools, and then flew those planes into iconic and crowded buildings to cause death and terror.

Now, how much liberty would not have been lost if those 19 men had been turned away at the border?

Not arrested. Not thrown into a concentration camp. Not beaten or tortured.

Nothing at all like that, just simply told to go back to wherever you came from, country's full right now, we are not issuing any long term visas, student visas, green card applications or asylum permits.

[Swordsmyth]

Much of the police state tyranny we suffer under, especially the militarized cops, can be traced back to 9/11.

For the sake of argument, let's say the "accepted" story is true, that Islamic radicals learned rudimentary flight skills then hijacked planes using, at the time, perfectly legal boxcutters and other tools, and then flew those planes into iconic and crowded buildings to cause death and terror.

Now, how much liberty would not have been lost if those 19 men had been turned away at the border?

Not arrested. Not thrown into a concentration camp. Not beaten or tortured.

Nothing at all like that, just simply told to go back to wherever you came from, country's full right now, we are not issuing any long term visas, student visas, green card applications or asylum permits.

It doesn't even need to be true, if the patsies weren't allowed in the plan wouldn't have worked.

[Anti Federalist]

It doesn't even need to be true, if the patsies weren't allowed in the plan wouldn't have worked.

True enough, whether you think it was an "inside job", like I do, or if the "straight" story is true, either way, without those men it would have hard if not impossible to pull off.

[Anti Federalist]

When I lived in AZ back in the 1980s we used to head down to Nogales, walk across the border and spend the day in Mexico every once in a while. Never had to even show an ID going either way, uasually had a great time. Things were much nicer back then, and much less frickin' authoritarian. And you're right. What this place has become is a crime.

If NAFTA can be thrown in the rubbish can, then there is good possibility that will be able to happen again.

The waves of Mexican immigrants over the last 20 years or so, have come here mainly because NAFTA ruined Mexico's economy and middle and working classes just as effectively as it did ours.

I'm willing to give Trump at least an A for effort in attempting to walk that deal back.

[Anti Federalist]

One smoky day in a darkened scullery
Down by the river in a factory town
Where bad things happen & the walls are drippin'
And the ghosts are flittin' from the cold hard ground
A pot & kettle on the hob were settled
A' hissin' their patter so bilious cruel
An awfy matter o' clout & clatterin'
Battlin' wits in a hideous duel

Lids a rattlin' belchin steam
Life aint nothin but a fevered dream
'Youre a lowly villain'
'Youre a terrible liar'
'But were both here cookin on the same old fire'
Guts a bubblin belchin steam
Life ain't nothin but a fevered dream
'You're a chanty pot'
'And you're a $#@!e for brains'
'But were both here hangin on the same old chains'

"Ive roasted a wealth of exotic things
All torn to ribbons at the hands of kings
Polished copper how I proudly shone
Stealin the fire of the blazing sun"

"Ye've boilt nae mair'n 'em old soup bones
Ive boilt the tea for them stately homes
I were rattled like a drum each Hogmanay
Then scrubbed tae the devil on the follwin' day"

"O kettle yer metal is a terrible hue
Riddled wi' holes cannae hold yer brew
Yer lids all crooked & yer sides bashed in
It'll no be long afore ye see the bin"

"Pot your not so bright as me
A hags old cauldron is all you'd be
You reek o' gruel & yourenone too young
Fit for to carry but the peels & dung"

Lids a rattlin' belchin steam
Life aint nothin but a fevered dream
'Youre a lowly villain'
'Youre a terrible liar'
'But were both here cookin on the same old fire'
Guts a bubblin belchin steam
Life aint nothin but a fevered dream
'Youre an old piss bucket'
'Youre a dented can'
'But we're neither as black as that roasting pan'

[jmdrake]

Probably not...and it's a shame to see what needs to be a productive consensus on this issue almost impossible to find because of dog cussing and cries of racist and idiot and so on from all sides, from long time members on both side of this issue that I have a great deal of respect for.

Not trying to moan "can't we all just get along" but at least acknowledge that valid points are made on both sides, and that the powers that be have put us in a nine line bind trying to deal with it after the fact.

We flat out cannot allow the whole world to waltz in with their hands out and expect any notion of freedom and limited government to survive.

It's simply hard to have a rational discussion when one side leads in with "You must support child sex slavery if you disagree with me about immigration." And the "you are a racist" jab came first from the other side as well.

But since you haven't done that I'll have a rational discussion with you. Here are the main points I see coming from your position (and no, you personally haven't espoused all of them) and I will give the problem I have with each argument.

1) People coming from socialist hellholes want to make America a socialist hellhole.

Ummmm....then why does South Florida which is dominated by anti Castro Cubans solidly vote Republican? Why up until recently did the overwhelming majority of Asians vote Republican? Asians who have lived here for generations (not the ones fresh over from hellhole China) are shifting away from the GOP in part because of the rhetoric coming from the GOP as of late. Self fulfilling prophecy. Even Trump recognizes that the more a country is a product of obvious failed socialism the more its migrants are likely to vote republican which is why he's welcoming Venezuelan immigrants.

2) They're going to do to us where European immigrants did to the Native Americans.

So European immigrants joined the tribe and ran to be an elder on the tribal council? That's how that worked? They tried to pass new laws that said "I know everybody currently shares the happy hunting ground but we should divide up all the land like William the Conqueror did after he conquered England and have feudal states were people never really on the land but pay property taxes and we can take the land if they don't pay but we will give them the illusion of ownership and property rights?" No. You and I both know that's not what happened. There was an actual war. (Well a series of wars). This whole thread is about an immigrant who assimilated. There is no suggestion in this thread at all that she didn't play by the rules.

3) If we don't increase the police state on the border all of the bad things that happen, like child sex slavery, will increase.

There is no difference between that argument and "If we don't increase spending on the war on drugs there will be no drugs" or "if we don't increase spending on the war on terrorism there will be more terrorism" arguments. Really the bulk of worldwide sex traffic isn't from kids being smuggled across the border. It's from American and Western European sex tourists going to places like the Dominican Republic. And nobody has to be kidnapped. The kids there willingly give it up because of their desperate financial situation.



I guess we could ban travel of Americans to those countries. Or just American men. If someone doesn't support the travel ban just say he supports child prostitution.

4) The Muslims/Latinos/Fill in the blank are just too different and will "mess up our culture."

LOL. This is our current culture.



We are already gone. And the people in charge of the leftist assault in the culture wars are not Muslims. They aren't by in large Latinos either (who are mostly Catholic). Look at the SCOTUS. Look into the background of the people who are doing the most to change the U.S. culture. And....I don't want them banned either. I actually believe good ideas can beat bad ones. Ron Paul didn't lose because liberals came out and attacked him. He lost because "conservative" Republicans attacked him incessantly. Ron got the most love liberals in the media. Here's Ron being interviewed by progressive DL Hughley.



Ron Paul got a great response on "The View" even when he went against abortion.



Oh, and he talks about immigration in that video as well. No amnesty (I agree) but the problem is (or was at the time) a weak economy and immigrants are scape goated, and he wants them to be able to come legally. (Trump has actually been a over the map saying that he wants to build a wall then put a big beautiful hole in it so that most of them can come back legally.) That position is different from yours. It's different from the position of @Swordsmyth as well. Again, the woman this thread is about came here legally.

Who HATED on Ron Paul? Why it was Glen Beck, Micheal Savage (who later adopted Ron Paul's position on the Iraq war, but only after Ron quit running for president), Rush Limbaugh, all of Fox News.

The problem wasn't the message. The problem was the Republican establishment wanted nothing of it. The message itself can sell. Asian Americans bought into American capitalism. But lately the nativist rhetoric has been turning them off.

Anyway, that's my view. I have as much freedom to espouse it as you have to espouse yours. That view doesn't make me some leftist globalist who supports child prostitution. (And again, I know you didn't say that.)

[jmdrake]

If NAFTA can be thrown in the rubbish can, then there is good possibility that will be able to happen again.

The waves of Mexican immigrants over the last 20 years or so, have come here mainly because NAFTA ruined Mexico's economy and middle and working classes just as effectively as it did ours.

I'm willing to give Trump at least an A for effort in attempting to walk that deal back.

On this I 100% agree! NAFTA is a complete assault on U.S. sovereignty. Mexico has an "internal port" in Kansas. And Mexican companies have a deal where they can bring their trucks across without any checks whatsoever. The whole system is a joke.

[juleswin]

On this I 100% agree! NAFTA is a complete assault on U.S. sovereignty. Mexico has an "internal port" in Kansas. And Mexican companies have a deal where they can bring their trucks across without any checks whatsoever. The whole system is a joke.

If NAFTA is an assault of US sovereignty, wouldn't immigrants illegally crossing the borders also be an even bigger assault on US sovereignty? The Mexican company at least is coming on invitation or agreement with the US govt.

[jmdrake]

If NAFTA is an assault of US sovereignty, wouldn't immigrants illegally crossing the borders also be an even bigger assault on US sovereignty? The Mexican company at least is coming on invitation or agreement with the US govt.

They're only illegal because of current law. The woman who's story spawned this thread came here legally. And, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I've been stopped and had my fruit quarantined when traveling from Arizona to California. The system with the Mexican trucks is that a "special" invitation, that most Americans don't even know about, has been granted to a small group. Crony capitalism. I thought everyone on this forum understood the problem of crony capitalism. I guess not.

Edit: And I should point out that nobody in this thread has called for non enforcement of current U.S. immigration law.

[juleswin]

They're only illegal because of current law. The woman who's story spawned this thread came here legally. And, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I've been stopped and had my fruit quarantined when traveling from Arizona to California. The system with the Mexican trucks is that a "special" invitation, that most Americans don't even know about, has been granted to a small group. Crony capitalism. I thought everyone on this forum understood the problem of crony capitalism. I guess not.

Jesus Christ, chill out with the passive aggressive attitude. My post in no way showed support for crony capitalism. I asked a legitimate question that I now see it hit a nerve with u, sorry if you felt that way, that wasn't my intention. The point is that if you believed that some Mexican company who had an agreement with the US govt is assaulting US sovereignty by traveling across the border then u should feel even more assaulted by an uninvited traveler crossing the border.

What gives man?

[Keith and stuff]

Was this person endorsed by the Free State Project?

The Free State Project is banned by law from making state legislative endorsements.

One leftist is replacing another leftist because she door knocked. Good for her on trying and winning by making some effort.

If you mean did www.LibertyBallot.com support her, the answer is no. Liberty Ballot doesn't play in Democratic primaries. I mean don't get me wrong, almost every liberty Democrat that has been elected to state legislative office in the last several decades was elected in New Hampshire, but the average NH Democrat isn't much better than the average Democrat in America. Heck, when Liberty Ballot supports liberty Democrats in the general election, I have to wonder if it hurts them... lol

[jmdrake]

Jesus Christ, chill out with the passive aggressive attitude. My post in no way showed support for crony capitalism. I asked a legitimate question that I now see it hit a nerve with u, sorry if you felt that way, that wasn't my intention. The point is that if you believed that some Mexican company who had an agreement with the US govt is assaulting US sovereignty by traveling across the border then u should feel even more assaulted by an uninvited traveler crossing the border.

What gives man?

LOL at someone who says how someone else "should feel" and complains about passive aggressive attitudes. People should feel how they should feel.

That said, I "feel" more assaulted by sweetheart deals brokered by multinational corporations than I do some mom trying to escape gang violence in El Salvador caused by the U.S. drug war. You feel more assaulted by the mom? Okay. You have a right to your feelings. I won't tell you how to feel.

But again, the woman who's story spawned this thread is a legal immigrant. Who did she assault?

[jmdrake]

Much of the police state tyranny we suffer under, especially the militarized cops, can be traced back to 9/11.

For the sake of argument, let's say the "accepted" story is true, that Islamic radicals learned rudimentary flight skills then hijacked planes using, at the time, perfectly legal boxcutters and other tools, and then flew those planes into iconic and crowded buildings to cause death and terror.

Now, how much liberty would not have been lost if those 19 men had been turned away at the border?

Not arrested. Not thrown into a concentration camp. Not beaten or tortured.

Nothing at all like that, just simply told to go back to wherever you came from, country's full right now, we are not issuing any long term visas, student visas, green card applications or asylum permits.

A border wall won't keep out patsies that the MIC is determined to bring in. You know it and I know it. The CIA shepherded in the hijackers past the security set up to keep them out.



The underwear bomber was let on the plan without a passport.



One incident happened under a republican president (Bush), and the other happened under a democratic president (Obama). And Trump has already said he wants a "big beautiful door" in the border wall that he's going to build and Mexico is going to pay for.



Trump "I want TREMENDOUS numbers of people to come in. But there has to be a process. They have to come in legally."

The "process" for terrorist patsies is handled by the CIA. Always has been and always will be.

[jmdrake]

When I lived in AZ back in the 1980s we used to head down to Nogales, walk across the border and spend the day in Mexico every once in a while. Never had to even show an ID going either way, uasually had a great time. Things were much nicer back then, and much less frickin' authoritarian. And you're right. What this place has become is a crime.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to CCTelander again.

[juleswin]

LOL at someone who says how someone else "should feel" and complains about passive aggressive attitudes. People should feel how they should feel.

That said, I "feel" more assaulted by sweetheart deals brokered by multinational corporations than I do some mom trying to escape gang violence in El Salvador caused by the U.S. drug war. You feel more assaulted by the mom? Okay. You have a right to your feelings. I won't tell you how to feel.

But again, the woman who's story spawned this thread is a legal immigrant. Who did she assault?

Ofc, when u tell a personal story like that of an innocent mom running from gangs vs some multinational corp getting sweetheart deal, then it is easy question to answer. But with open border,s that mom illegally crossing the borders could easily be the MS 13 gang member coming through and I think that should make a difference to most people.

Thanks anyway for giving me an answer. That is all I was looking for

[jmdrake]

Ofc, when u tell a personal story like that of an innocent mom running from gangs vs some multinational corp getting sweetheart deal, then it is easy question to answer. But with open border,s that mom illegally crossing the borders could easily be the MS 13 gang member coming through and I think that should make a difference to most people.

Thanks anyway for giving me an answer. That is all I was looking for

You're welcome. For the record who is advocating open borders? I haven't despite claims by others in this thread. Or I guess I have to ask what you mean by open borders. If people with gang tattoos (obvious MS-13 members) are kept out but the moms and kids are let in, is that open borders? I gave the example earlier in this thread about how, even though I can as a U.S. citizen travel from Arizona to California, I have had my fruit quarantined at the California border. Is that open or closed borders?

Of course this is a sticky situation especially when you consider the history of MS13. They were started in the U.S. by the children of Central American immigrants fleeing military and drug violence in Central America. These kids ended up in the inner city, formed gangs for protection for local U.S. street gangs, then realized "Hey! We've got connections to drug producers in Central America. Let's make some money!" Drug war and U.S. military policy in Central America blowback.

[Anti Federalist]

1) People coming from socialist hellholes want to make America a socialist hellhole.

Ummmm....then why does South Florida which is dominated by anti Castro Cubans solidly vote Republican?

It doesn't and has not, for years. Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties are solid blue.

I used to live in Palm Beach, trust me, it is California east.

So European immigrants joined the tribe and ran to be an elder on the tribal council? That's how that worked? They tried to pass new laws that said "I know everybody currently shares the happy hunting ground but we should divide up all the land like William the Conqueror did after he conquered England and have feudal states were people never really on the land but pay property taxes and we can take the land if they don't pay but we will give them the illusion of ownership and property rights?" No. You and I both know that's not what happened. There was an actual war. (Well a series of wars). This whole thread is about an immigrant who assimilated. There is no suggestion in this thread at all that she didn't play by the rules.

Again, I'll go back to the early, pre-revolution history of native/European relations, that existed for at least a century and a half before 1776 and point out that is precisely how the European invaders "got their foot in the door" so to speak at the start.

By trade, treaty, and slow assimilation.

Under it wasn't fair, it wasn't open trade and it wasn't assimilation anymore but overwhelming displacement.

3) If we don't increase the police state on the border all of the bad things that happen, like child sex slavery, will increase.

There is no difference between that argument and "If we don't increase spending on the war on drugs there will be no drugs" or "if we don't increase spending on the war on terrorism there will be more terrorism" arguments. Really the bulk of worldwide sex traffic isn't from kids being smuggled across the border. It's from American and Western European sex tourists going to places like the Dominican Republic. And nobody has to be kidnapped. The kids there willingly give it up because of their desperate financial situation.

The crime and sex traffic argument does not enter into my calculations and thoughts on this issue.

4) The Muslims/Latinos/Fill in the blank are just too different and will "mess up our culture."

LOL. This is our current culture.

No argument from me on that, I agree.

One problem at a time.

Halting all inbound immigration will give all of already here some breathing room to maybe sort this $#@! out.

Out of time...I'll address the other points later

[Anti Federalist]

A border wall won't keep out patsies that the MIC is determined to bring in. You know it and I know it. The CIA shepherded in the hijackers past the security set up to keep them out.

I am well aware of that.

I'm approaching it from an angle that assumes the government's story is true, to make my point.

[enhanced_deficit]

More troops sent to Afghanistan by MAGA means more refugees and more US Congress members with Afghani names in coming decades.


This Photo of Afghan Women in Miniskirts Helped Convince Trump to Send More Troops


Although demographic blowback experts were predicting election of US President named Al-Palestinian Hussein Al-Syrian in coming years after next major US taxpayers funded freedom-racial equality spreading war in mideast. Iraqi freedom war had similar result.

[Swordsmyth]

1) People coming from socialist hellholes want to make America a socialist hellhole.

Ummmm....then why does South Florida which is dominated by anti Castro Cubans solidly vote Republican? Why up until recently did the overwhelming majority of Asians vote Republican? Asians who have lived here for generations (not the ones fresh over from hellhole China) are shifting away from the GOP in part because of the rhetoric coming from the GOP as of late. Self fulfilling prophecy. Even Trump recognizes that the more a country is a product of obvious failed socialism the more its migrants are likely to vote republican which is why he's welcoming Venezuelan immigrants.

You are making the mistake of thinking Republicans are much better than Demoncrats, even those few foreigners that vote Republican (most do not) tend to vote for the worst kind of Swampublicans.

2) They're going to do to us where European immigrants did to the Native Americans.

So European immigrants joined the tribe and ran to be an elder on the tribal council? That's how that worked? They tried to pass new laws that said "I know everybody currently shares the happy hunting ground but we should divide up all the land like William the Conqueror did after he conquered England and have feudal states were people never really on the land but pay property taxes and we can take the land if they don't pay but we will give them the illusion of ownership and property rights?" No. You and I both know that's not what happened. There was an actual war. (Well a series of wars). This whole thread is about an immigrant who assimilated. There is no suggestion in this thread at all that she didn't play by the rules.

The Europeans started out friendly as well, S. Africa has been peaceful for decades but now the incompatible culture has fully taken over and is dispossessing the Boers and preparing to kill them all.

3) If we don't increase the police state on the border all of the bad things that happen, like child sex slavery, will increase.

There is no difference between that argument and "If we don't increase spending on the war on drugs there will be no drugs" or "if we don't increase spending on the war on terrorism there will be more terrorism" arguments. Really the bulk of worldwide sex traffic isn't from kids being smuggled across the border. It's from American and Western European sex tourists going to places like the Dominican Republic. And nobody has to be kidnapped. The kids there willingly give it up because of their desperate financial situation.



I guess we could ban travel of Americans to those countries. Or just American men. If someone doesn't support the travel ban just say he supports child prostitution.

That's not my primary issue but you will have more cross-border crime if your borders are wide open than if they are well patrolled.

4) The Muslims/Latinos/Fill in the blank are just too different and will "mess up our culture."

LOL. This is our current culture.



We are already gone. And the people in charge of the leftist assault in the culture wars are not Muslims. They aren't by in large Latinos either (who are mostly Catholic). Look at the SCOTUS. Look into the background of the people who are doing the most to change the U.S. culture. And....I don't want them banned either. I actually believe good ideas can beat bad ones. Ron Paul didn't lose because liberals came out and attacked him. He lost because "conservative" Republicans attacked him incessantly. Ron got the most love liberals in the media. Here's Ron being interviewed by progressive DL Hughley.



Ron Paul got a great response on "The View" even when he went against abortion.

Our culture is in a serious state of degradation but incompatible foreigners will not cure it, they will just add their cultural problems to ours, at least ours slightly tends towards excessive liberty/license the worst problems most of the foreigners bring tend towards authoritarianism.

Oh, and he talks about immigration in that video as well. No amnesty (I agree) but the problem is (or was at the time) a weak economy and immigrants are scape goated, and he wants them to be able to come legally. (Trump has actually been a over the map saying that he wants to build a wall then put a big beautiful hole in it so that most of them can come back legally.) That position is different from yours. It's different from the position of @Swordsmyth as well. Again, the woman this thread is about came here legally.

Trump is a step in the right direction but he doesn't go far enough, he may want to but he gets attacked enough for his current position that he doesn't dare go further.

Who HATED on Ron Paul? Why it was Glen Beck, Micheal Savage (who later adopted Ron Paul's position on the Iraq war, but only after Ron quit running for president), Rush Limbaugh, all of Fox News.

The problem wasn't the message. The problem was the Republican establishment wanted nothing of it.

Show me that immigrants or their children voted for Ron at higher rates than multi-generation natives and we can talk.

The message itself can sell. Asian Americans bought into American capitalism. But lately the nativist rhetoric has been turning them off.

Which is why I don't oppose all immigration, but they must come in small enough numbers to be assimilated, in the past too many have come too fast and those waves of immigrants have seriously contributed to the loss of liberty, if Asians don't like their relatives being limited to small enough numbers for us to assimilate then that is one way they are bad for our liberty.

[Zippyjuan]

Show me that immigrants or their children voted for Ron at higher rates than multi-generation natives and we can talk.

Not specific to Ron Paul, but: https://www.cato.org/blog/latinos-ar...an-candidate-0

Latinos Are Twice As Likely to Support the Libertarian Candidate

Whenever I write about immigration from Latin America, I am deluged with complaints that regardless of the economic or social benefits, Latinos are anti-libertarian “socialists.” But a new Fox News Latino poll shows something else. The libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson does nearly twice as well among Latino Americans as among the general public—16 percent compared to 8 percent.

Far from being socialists, a wide range of evidence shows that on average, Latino views track libertarian views as closely as any other demographic. This is not to say that Latinos are libertarians overall, but that they are just as open to the libertarian perspective as anyone else.

As my colleague Emily Ekins has pointed out, libertarians are more racially and ethnically diverse than some people believe. Pew also found in 2014 that just as many Latinos identify as libertarian and understand it as a “belief in limited government” as all Americans (11 percent for both). In 2015, Ekins found that averaging nine polls conducted by Reason-Rupe and Cato-YouGov, Latinos make up 14 percent of self-identified libertarians, while being 13 percent of the U.S. population.

Given that Latinos are already least likely to identify as a Democrat or Republican, Latinos’ disproportionate support for a libertarian option in this election makes sense. Currently, they are stuck between a party led by a president who has deported more of their relatives than any other and one led by a candidate who thinks that wasn’t good enough. By contrast, Johnson has adopted the most pro-immigration position of any in this election—not only favoring legalization for those already here but also open legal immigration in the future with Mexico—and he mentions the issue in every television interview.

But Latinos are open to the libertarian option because they side with libertarians on a variety other issues as well.

More at link.

The point is not that most Latinos have embraced across-the-board libertarianism. A majority of Latinos favor, for example, a higher minimum wage and more gun control. But no demographic fully embraces the limited government philosophy. The point is that Latinos do not hold views that widely differ from those of other Americans. Indeed, on many issues, they are more libertarian than other voters, so it’s not shocking that many Latinos are choosing to go for the libertarian option in November.

Let’s put to rest the tired canard that Latino Americans are “socialists.” They are just as interested in liberty as any other Americans.

[Swordsmyth]

Not specific to Ron Paul, but: https://www.cato.org/blog/latinos-ar...an-candidate-0


More at link.

I said Ron, NOT an open borders liberaltarian like GJ.