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  1. #31
    The video in the OP was posted for a reason, it has a lot of important discussions that aren't happening enough and she is having them and she is a politician. She's the only "good" Democrat. As good as a Democrat can be... and better than many Republicans. At least as good as Kucinich, and Ron Paul was good friends with that dude and they worked together a lot.
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    She's also a big civil rights supporter and against the spy state.
    H R 5471: Countering Terrorist Radicalization Act
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    Expressing opposition to both H.R. 1731 and H.R. 1560, another related cybersecurity intelligence bill, Congressman Justin Amash (R-Mich.) said, "As drafted, these bills violate the Fourth Amendment, override privacy laws, and give the government unwarranted access to the personal information of potentially millions of Americans."

    The House passed H.R. 1731 on April 23, 2015 by a vote of 355 to 63 (Roll Call 173). We have assigned pluses to the nays because this bill would further empower the unconstitutional Department of Homeland Security, erode the privacy protections enshrined in the Constitution, and gradually move the United States closer to becoming a police state.
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    She votes how you would expect a Democrat to vote on most issues, but she is a million times better than all of them and can really do a lot to educate other Democrats who will listen to her.
    And she's not afraid of getting on CNN and calling out "Regime Change" as the BS it is. Or call out Hillary Clinton and the DNC for corruption.

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    The video in the OP was posted for a reason, it has a lot of important discussions that aren't happening enough and she is having them and she is a politician. She's the only "good" Democrat. As good as a Democrat can be... and better than many Republicans. At least as good as Kucinich, and Ron Paul was good friends with that dude and they worked together a lot.
    Originally Posted by Swordsmyth

    they may vote with us on specific issues once in awhile if we are lucky but they will always oppose reducing government.
    Kucinich was better:

    Name: Dennis Kucinich

    Congress: Ohio, District: 10, Democrat

    Cumulative Freedom Index Score: 40%

    Status: Former Member of the House

    Score Breakdown:
    38% (112th Congress: 2011-2012); 40% (111th Congress: 2009-2010); 46% (110th Congress: 2007-2008); 42% (109th Congress: 2005-2006); 44% (108th Congress: 2003-2004); 27% (107th Congress: 2001-2002); 42% (106th Congress: 1999-2000)


    He was almost as good as a bad Republican.
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  7. #35
    That site rates Neocon Lindsey Graham at 60%. That's a joke.

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by RJ Liberty View Post
    That site rates Neocon Lindsey Graham at 60%. That's a joke.
    Care to show any votes that you disagree with them on?

    60% isn't good.
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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Care to show any votes that you disagree with them on?
    As I said, I disagree with the basic premise on that site that all votes are weighted the same, and that non-votes that don't stop a bad bill from being passed aren't counted at all (that's an easy way to game the system). One can quantify someone's voting record in better ways. One rough way to measure "liberty" might be to calculate how much federal spending each member of Congress has voted for, in the span of one term. The less federal spending they voted for, the better. Fortunately, someone's already done the work calculating those totals.

    You might be surprised to learn that 7 of the top 10 Representatives voting for huge amounts of spending are Republicans. Tulsi Gabbard, in contrast, ranks in the bottom 1/7th of the list, voting for only 10%, or less, of the spending of Darrell Issa (R), Elise Stefanik (R), Chris Smith (R), Leonard Lance (R), etc. She's voting for way, waaaayyyy less spending than most House Republicans.

  10. #38
    To those who are concentrating on the less impressive parts of Rep. Gabbard's record-

    When exactly would you like to see these illegal wars ended? 2030? Maybe 2050? 2100? How about when the MIC has sucked up every last spare cent - wait, that's already happened.. Is the US going to bomb Iran? How many here would cheer? How many more countries is America meddling in besides the ones that we are told about?

    If she did ONE THING ONLY WITH HER ENTIRE LIFE and that is to get Americans to DEMAND AN END TO THESE GD ILLEGAL WARS THAT ARE BLEEDING THE NATION DRY she would be one of the greatest politicians that ever lived.

    Just how the hell have Americans sat back and watched 17 years of bombing and invading lands 8,000 miles away and allowed it to continue? I WANT AN ANSWER TO THIS. Trillions have been literally stolen from some of the most gullible people that have ever lived. This needs to STOP NOW.

    Yet, in the next 24 HOURS the US will throw another ~$200 MILLION DOLLARS in to a dumpster and light it on fire. Probably even create even more enemies. (Job security)

    Now where else do you hear the following:













    In every case above, I stand with Tulsi. That's more than I can say for any other politician in the District of Criminals.
    Rand Paul lied about Crimea & Iran
    Rand- "US Must Take Strong Action Against Putinís Aggression"
    ďIím not advocating everyone go out and run around with no clothes on and smoke pot, Iím not a libertarian. Iím a libertarian Republican. Iím a constitutional conservativeĒ-Rand Paul
    ďFurther, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing eventólike a new Pearl HarborPNAC report September 2000

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by RJ Liberty View Post
    That site rates Neocon Lindsey Graham at 60%. That's a joke.
    31% New American https://www.thenewamerican.com/index...nameid=G000571

    21% Freedomworks http://congress.freedomworks.org/leg.../tulsi-gabbard

    18% Conservative Review https://pdfgenerator.conservativerev...532.pdf#page=1

    I would vote LP in that race but root for Graham over Gabbard. Graham is at least good on things like entitlements which is the most important issue. She is awful. She endorsed Bernie Sanders which is a non-starter. There are no good Bernie Sanders supporters. She wants to expand funding to government education. Gets heavily endorsemented by Marxist green groups. She is just really really bad and feel the need to point this out every time someone mentions her or Dennis Kucinich. There is no such thing as a liberty Communist. She doesn't want to bomb Syria. Good for her. Neither does John Bolton.

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by RJ Liberty View Post
    As I said, I disagree with the basic premise on that site that all votes are weighted the same, and that non-votes that don't stop a bad bill from being passed aren't counted at all (that's an easy way to game the system). One can quantify someone's voting record in better ways. One rough way to measure "liberty" might be to calculate how much federal spending each member of Congress has voted for, in the span of one term. The less federal spending they voted for, the better. Fortunately, someone's already done the work calculating those totals.

    You might be surprised to learn that 7 of the top 10 Representatives voting for huge amounts of spending are Republicans. Tulsi Gabbard, in contrast, ranks in the bottom 1/7th of the list, voting for only 10%, or less, of the spending of Darrell Issa (R), Elise Stefanik (R), Chris Smith (R), Leonard Lance (R), etc. She's voting for way, waaaayyyy less spending than most House Republicans.
    That's nonsense and you should know it. Voting against how the Republican spending bills means she is against the way the Republicans want to spend the money, not that she is a fiscal conservative. She supports a Carbon Tax for example. She votes no for the opposite reasons as someone like Rand Paul.

    That list shows Peter DeFazio and and John Lewis as being even bigger 'savers' than she is. That should show everyone how full of crap it is. You honestly believe those 2 would support more limited government than all the Republicans below them on the list?


    LOL I looked again and that shows NANCY PELOSI as more fiscally Conservative than Jim Jordan, someone better tell Amash and Massie before they vote for the next speaker!


    Last edited by William Tell; 09-12-2018 at 09:44 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
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  14. #41
    I'm not sure if you guys are aware, but Hawaii is a blue state. A Democrat is going to win that state. Do you want a version of Lindsey Graham on foreign policy who also votes for every socialist vision under the sun, is anti-civil liberties to boot?? Or do you want a Kucinich or Tulsi Gabbard there instead? That question SHOULD be really easy to answer.

    Nobody has successfully argued that if every Democrat were replaced with someone like Tulsi, our country would be a million times better.
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Peace Piper View Post
    She's not perfect.

    BUT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING RIGHT NOW

    ENDING THESE ILLEGAL WARS
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    She is the only Democrat who is outspoken against the wars and the war propaganda...
    Fixing these issues alone would go a long way toward making this a better country.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    If anyone is thinking about it, a progressive/libertarian alliance is a pipedream. People keep trying to make it work, up to and including Rothbard and Ron Paul. And it always falls apart.
    True enough. The two Progressive parties -the Democrats and the Republicans- will never do anything to jeopardize their power.
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  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    True enough. The two Progressive parties -the Democrats and the Republicans- will never do anything to jeopardize their power.
    What does that have to do with Tulsi Gabbard? We are rooting for people outside that power structure for a reason. Hawaii is blue, that's not changing.. what can change is whether there is a neocon Democrat or a Democrat like Tulsi or Kucinich.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by RJ Liberty View Post
    As I said, I disagree with the basic premise on that site that all votes are weighted the same, and that non-votes that don't stop a bad bill from being passed aren't counted at all (that's an easy way to game the system). One can quantify someone's voting record in better ways. One rough way to measure "liberty" might be to calculate how much federal spending each member of Congress has voted for, in the span of one term. The less federal spending they voted for, the better. Fortunately, someone's already done the work calculating those totals.

    You might be surprised to learn that 7 of the top 10 Representatives voting for huge amounts of spending are Republicans. Tulsi Gabbard, in contrast, ranks in the bottom 1/7th of the list, voting for only 10%, or less, of the spending of Darrell Issa (R), Elise Stefanik (R), Chris Smith (R), Leonard Lance (R), etc. She's voting for way, waaaayyyy less spending than most House Republicans.
    Non-votes happen for many reasons, sometimes because the legislator is out of town, and the weighted value of different votes depends on your priorities, you obviously are a cash register libertarian that places excessive weight on money issues.

    No system can be perfect but theirs is better than most, Graham is bad but Gabbard is worse if you care about liberty issues, as I showed with my posts she isn't even very good on war and domestic spying.
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  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Peace Piper View Post
    To those who are concentrating on the less impressive parts of Rep. Gabbard's record-

    When exactly would you like to see these illegal wars ended? 2030? Maybe 2050? 2100? How about when the MIC has sucked up every last spare cent - wait, that's already happened.. Is the US going to bomb Iran? How many here would cheer? How many more countries is America meddling in besides the ones that we are told about?

    If she did ONE THING ONLY WITH HER ENTIRE LIFE and that is to get Americans to DEMAND AN END TO THESE GD ILLEGAL WARS THAT ARE BLEEDING THE NATION DRY she would be one of the greatest politicians that ever lived.

    Just how the hell have Americans sat back and watched 17 years of bombing and invading lands 8,000 miles away and allowed it to continue? I WANT AN ANSWER TO THIS. Trillions have been literally stolen from some of the most gullible people that have ever lived. This needs to STOP NOW.

    Yet, in the next 24 HOURS the US will throw another ~$200 MILLION DOLLARS in to a dumpster and light it on fire. Probably even create even more enemies. (Job security)

    Now where else do you hear the following:













    In every case above, I stand with Tulsi. That's more than I can say for any other politician in the District of Criminals.
    Did you see the votes I posted where she voted for war and domestic spying?
    You really think she is better than Rand, Massie, Amash and Lee etc.?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    ?
    You really think she is better than Rand, Massie, Amash and Lee etc.?
    Nobody thinks that.

    But it is better than she is running in Hawaii than Rand, Massie, Amash or Lee because none of them would get elected there.
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    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I'm not sure if you guys are aware, but Hawaii is a blue state. A Democrat is going to win that state. Do you want a version of Lindsey Graham on foreign policy who also votes for every socialist vision under the sun, is anti-civil liberties to boot?? Or do you want a Kucinich or Tulsi Gabbard there instead? That question SHOULD be really easy to answer.

    Nobody has successfully argued that if every Democrat were replaced with someone like Tulsi, our country would be a million times better.
    If all Democrats were like Kucinich we would be better off, for the sake of argument I will grant you Gabbard as well even though her record is worse, my point was that they would still be our enemies and that an alliance with them would be suicidal for the movement.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Nobody thinks that.

    But it is better than she is running in Hawaii than Rand, Massie, Amash or Lee because none of them would get elected there.
    He sounds like he thinks that:

    Originally Posted by Peace Piper
    That's more than I can say for any other politician in the District of Criminals.
    Last edited by Swordsmyth; 09-12-2018 at 12:52 PM.
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  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by shakey1 View Post
    Fixing these issues alone would go a long way toward making this a better country.
    Unfortunately she still votes for wars.
    See my posts of her votes in this thread.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    True enough. The two Progressive parties -the Democrats and the Republicans- will never do anything to jeopardize their power.
    Our differences with Republicans are fewer than those with the Democrats, an alliance with Republicans could end up with us taking over the party or it might end when there is no bigger enemy left with any significant power but we can't ally with Democrats on any longer term that vote by vote without destroying ourselves.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  26. #52
    Joe is an interesting guy. Just sampled interview, not bad. Good transition from a comedian.

    Recently his prank call to Trump as a "senator" although crossed the line but have to admit was kinda funny.

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Recently his prank call to Trump as a "senator" although crossed the line but have to admit was kinda funny.
    I don't think that was Joe Rogan..
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    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  28. #54
    Tulsi is great on some issues. On those issues, we can align with her.
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  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Joe is an interesting guy. Just sampled interview, not bad. Good transition from a comedian.

    Recently his prank call to Trump as a "senator" although crossed the line but have to admit was kinda funny.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I don't think that was Joe Rogan..
    Stuttering John.
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  30. #56
    I tell you what if Tulsi Gabbard was an alpha female and she ran her campaign the same way as Trump, her chances of getting elected president would be greater.
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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Did you see the votes I posted where she voted for war and domestic spying? You really think she is better than Rand, Massie, Amash and Lee etc.?
    I saw your posts. Have you seen my sig where it details Rand's lying about Crimea and his disgraceful stance on Iran?

    Rand Paul lied about Crimea & Iran
    Rand- "US Must Take Strong Action Against Putinís Aggression"
    Rand is better than many but that's not saying much. I wouldn't vote for Massie, Amash or Lee and have no interest in hearing anything further from any of them, thanks very much. Why aren't they demanding an end to these illegal wars like Tulsi?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    ...my point was that they would still be our enemies and that an alliance with them would be suicidal for the movement.
    What "movement" are you talking about? The "movement" that watched Ron Paul make a deal with Romney and then lie to his supporters about it?

    The "movement" that watched as Ron and his campaign team suppressed grass root involvement only to hire buffoons and fools like Jessie Benton? (I Cringe at the very memory of that twit)

    The "movement" that watched as Rand endorsed the establishment favorite Romney BEFORE THE CONVENTION and then criticized those who had a problem with this blatant, outrageous sellout?

    Apparently you fancy yourself as some kind of "Purist". Where the hell has that gotten you - or the "movement" that is all but dead? Purists have not succeeded in broadening the "movement". If anything, they have been a detriment.

    I stand with Tulsi Gabbard and call for an IMMEDIATE END TO THESE UNCONSTITUTIONAL, ILLEGAL AND IMMORAL WARS NOW. Those who don't deserve a thousand more years of war - and just may get it.

    In case you haven't ever seen this, here's when Ron went south and took his "movement" for granted.

    Rand Paul lied about Crimea & Iran
    Rand- "US Must Take Strong Action Against Putinís Aggression"
    ďIím not advocating everyone go out and run around with no clothes on and smoke pot, Iím not a libertarian. Iím a libertarian Republican. Iím a constitutional conservativeĒ-Rand Paul
    ďFurther, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing eventólike a new Pearl HarborPNAC report September 2000

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Peace Piper View Post
    I saw your posts. Have you seen my sig where it details Rand's lying about Crimea and his disgraceful stance on Iran?



    Rand is better than many but that's not saying much. I wouldn't vote for Massie, Amash or Lee and have no interest in hearing anything further from any of them, thanks very much. Why aren't they demanding an end to these illegal wars like Tulsi?



    What "movement" are you talking about? The "movement" that watched Ron Paul make a deal with Romney and then lie to his supporters about it?

    The "movement" that watched as Ron and his campaign team suppressed grass root involvement only to hire buffoons and fools like Jessie Benton? (I Cringe at the very memory of that twit)

    The "movement" that watched as Rand endorsed the establishment favorite Romney BEFORE THE CONVENTION and then criticized those who had a problem with this blatant, outrageous sellout?

    Apparently you fancy yourself as some kind of "Purist". Where the hell has that gotten you - or the "movement" that is all but dead? Purists have not succeeded in broadening the "movement". If anything, they have been a detriment.

    I stand with Tulsi Gabbard and call for an IMMEDIATE END TO THESE UNCONSTITUTIONAL, ILLEGAL AND IMMORAL WARS NOW. Those who don't deserve a thousand more years of war - and just may get it.

    In case you haven't ever seen this, here's when Ron went south and took his "movement" for granted.

    If all you care about is war then you are of no more interest to me than Gabbard, you may be useful when I am opposing war but you are a detriment to liberty overall, Ron and Rand and the others may not be perfect but they are far more useful than Gabbard to my quest for liberty.
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    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Peace Piper View Post

    Rand is better than many but that's not saying much. I wouldn't vote for Massie, Amash or Lee and have no interest in hearing anything further from any of them, thanks very much. Why aren't they demanding an end to these illegal wars like Tulsi?
    Here.... I'll help you. There are like 5 million hits.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=rand...hrome&ie=UTF-8

    No shortage of Tweets either.



    I'll excuse you because you have no interest in liberty and don't pay attention to liberty politicians just like I don't spend anytime listening to anything Tulsi Gabbard says. It is fine that all you care about is war and handing out corporate welfare for green energy boondoggles. You shouldn't be shocked that other people care about other issues. This isn't JillSteinForums.com
    Last edited by Krugminator2; 09-12-2018 at 07:23 PM.

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Peace Piper View Post
    Rand is better than many but that's not saying much. I wouldn't vote for Massie, Amash or Lee and have no interest in hearing anything further from any of them, thanks very much. Why aren't they demanding an end to these illegal wars like Tulsi?
    All of those people are demanding an end to the illegal wars, even Mike Lee, although maybe to a lesser extent - he came together with Bernie Sanders over war powers you can google that.

    I'll bet most of them have a much better voting record than Tulsi on wars as you have seen from some posts in this thread she is vocal but weak on the votes.. Rand/Massie/Amash are all extremely vocal on the subject as well, and they have the votes. Ridiculous to attack them on the subject.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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