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    Does law suffer because it tries to be too specific?




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    Yes, there should only be one law - don't break the law. Then the popo & judge can make it up on the fly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Does law suffer because it tries to be too specific?

    Could you be more specific?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    Yes, there should only be one law - don't break the law. Then the popo & judge can make it up on the fly.
    Have you seen the IRS code?

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Have you seen the IRS code?
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    Have you seen the IRS code?
    Complexity is not the same as specificity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Complexity is not the same as specificity.
    IRS code is not specific?
    Last edited by timosman; 09-09-2018 at 12:48 AM.

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    Complexity is bad, it creates a need for an interpretive class subjugating common people.

    Specificity is nice clear plain language lets you know when you are doing some thing illegal and when you are not.

    On the other hand the NAP suffers fatally from being too specific. It sounds very general but each term in it is highly interpreted and far removed from plain language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    What do you think this complexity describes?
    Specific things, because life is complex complexity and specificity are related but they are still different and it is the complexity that is the problem, most laws are not like an income tax and don't deal with so many different aspects of life therefore they can be far more specific without becoming excessively complex.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Specific things, because life is complex complexity and specificity are related but they are still different and it is the complexity that is the problem, most laws are not like an income tax and don't deal with so many different aspects of life therefore they can be far more specific without becoming excessively complex.
    I should have made it about IRS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    IRS code is not specific?
    In many places it is but in many places it is not, it is definitely too complex.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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