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    The NFL Is Ruining Football

    Season opener, Falcons @ Eagles

    26 penalties, 200+ penalty yards

    ...apparently it is now illegal to tackle the QB.

    Discuss



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    Might as well put flags on them all at this point.

    The NFL has been going downhill for a while now. Can’t figure what a catch is, can’t hit anybody anymore, can’t stay away from being social justice warriors and virtue signaling, moving teams and building hugeass stadiums with tax payer dollars, lockouts and super-mega contracts to play a game, commercial breaks every two minutes, etc.

    It would be nice to watch a football game in less than 2 hours, without being told you’re a mysoginist, racist, intolerant rube.

    One good thing an OWNER (not NFL) did was Atlanta’s Arthur Blank (and organization) setting new food/beverage prices at their new stadium, more in line with reality: $2 hot dogs, $5 beer, etc. I think a couple teams have followed suit.

    It will be interesting to see if the viewership continues to decline again this year. I contend the NFL won’t make any changes until their bottom line is affected.

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    I used to be an NFL fan, but they crossed a line they can't un-cross and now I will never watch an NFL game or purchase anything related to that business ever again.

    I am a permanent non-customer. If I had to bet I'd say at least 50 million other Americans feel the same.

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    Men in tights has never been my thing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Men in tights has never been my thing...
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Season opener, Falcons @ Eagles

    26 penalties, 200+ penalty yards

    ...apparently it is now illegal to tackle the QB.

    Discuss
    No kidding. Today this happened. The penalties were for unsportsmanlike conduct (taunting), but not for this illegal block.
    “When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it”~~ Frederic Bastiat

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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    No kidding. Today this happened. The penalties were for unsportsmanlike conduct (taunting), but not for this illegal block.
    That's actually a legal "crackback" block - it's only illegal if it's done below the waist.

    The biggest problem with the NFL is that the game simply wasn't designed to be played by men this fast and strong and large - there may have been a handful of people like that back in the day, but not a league full of them using all the latest sports medicine techniques to optimize their strength and speed.

    Which leaves them with a game they can't play anymore without killing each other. Unless they make so many contact restrictions as to make the game lame and suck out the spirit which made it popular to begin with.

    Example: Doug Atkins, probably the best defensive lineman of the early NFL era. He was 6-8, 260 lbs.

    Over the past 20 years there have been 7 defensive linemen who stood at 6-9. The lightest one was 297 lbs. - nearly 40 lbs heavier than the biggest player of the early NFL era. The rest ranged from 310 lbs. to 345 lbs.

    Do the math. That's a 14-32% increase in body mass between the 50s and today (and as an off-the-cuff guess, it's probably less of an increase than at other positions such as WR). Since force = mass times acceleration, that's also a 14-32% increase in the amount of force when one of these guys runs into another.

    But that's just the beginning of the story. These guys are faster, quicker, and more agile too - so the acceleration part of the equation is also increasing.

    The original NFL was a brutal, hardcore sport - which is what made it popular. With force increases as detailed above, today's NFL is threading the needle between turning it into touch football, and ending up with all its players crippled or even killed.

    If I were asked to come up with a radical idea to make the NFL an interesting game again, I would put size limits on the players, and let those small enough play the hardcore game that got popular in the first place.



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    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtomator View Post
    That's actually a legal "crackback" block - it's only illegal if it's done below the waist.

    The biggest problem with the NFL is that the game simply wasn't designed to be played by men this fast and strong and large - there may have been a handful of people like that back in the day, but not a league full of them using all the latest sports medicine techniques to optimize their strength and speed.

    Which leaves them with a game they can't play anymore without killing each other. Unless they make so many contact restrictions as to make the game lame and suck out the spirit which made it popular to begin with.

    Example: Doug Atkins, probably the best defensive lineman of the early NFL era. He was 6-8, 260 lbs.

    Over the past 20 years there have been 7 defensive linemen who stood at 6-9. The lightest one was 297 lbs. - nearly 40 lbs heavier than the biggest player of the early NFL era. The rest ranged from 310 lbs. to 345 lbs.

    Do the math. That's a 14-32% increase in body mass between the 50s and today (and as an off-the-cuff guess, it's probably less of an increase than at other positions such as WR). Since force = mass times acceleration, that's also a 14-32% increase in the amount of force when one of these guys runs into another.

    But that's just the beginning of the story. These guys are faster, quicker, and more agile too - so the acceleration part of the equation is also increasing.

    The original NFL was a brutal, hardcore sport - which is what made it popular. With force increases as detailed above, today's NFL is threading the needle between turning it into touch football, and ending up with all its players crippled or even killed.

    If I were asked to come up with a radical idea to make the NFL an interesting game again, I would put size limits on the players, and let those small enough play the hardcore game that got popular in the first place.
    Your point about the change in the physics of the game is well taken, but it doesn't justify these new rules.

    Boxing is a sport which consists of large men attempting to stove in one another's skulls.

    It's dangerous, everyone knows it's dangerous; people who don't want to take the risk don't participate in the sport.

    So it should be with football.

    Beyond that, some of the rule changes (e.g. re catches) are only rationalizations for stupid ref calls, which the NFL refuses to admit were stupid.

    ...anyway, here's another thing ruining the NFL (for me):



    Dallas just put on a atrocious display in Charlotte, because Jerry mistook this fellow for a quarterback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Your point about the change in the physics of the game is well taken, but it doesn't justify these new rules.

    Boxing is a sport which consists of large men attempting to stove in one another's skulls.

    It's dangerous, everyone knows it's dangerous; people who don't want to take the risk don't participate in the sport.
    Fully agree.

    This is NASCAR "restrictor plate" racing redux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Boxing is a sport which consists of large men attempting to stove in one another's skulls.

    It's dangerous, everyone knows it's dangerous; people who don't want to take the risk don't participate in the sport.

    So it should be with football.
    In boxing the very point of the sport is to hit the other guy and knock him out.

    In football the point of the sport is to score more points than your opponent. Intentional injury is NOT part of football as it is in boxing.

    Sure football is an inherently dangerous sport, but the density of human bone (and the resilience of the brain to impacts) is not upscaling like the strength and speed of players.

    If today's boxers were twice as strong as Mike Tyson, the sport wouldn't exist; too many people would be killed, and the death toll would cause a public outcry to put a stop to it.

    The NFL has to put in these pansy rules for that reason. If they don't they're going to end up with dead bodies on the field, and unlike in boxing, that is not supposed to be one of the risks inherent to football.

    Football by design is "play war" - a substitute for people killing each other. If people end up killing each other playing football, the design has catastrophically failed and its existence as a commonly-played sport will come to an end shortly after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtomator View Post
    In boxing the very point of the sport is to hit the other guy and knock him out.

    In football the point of the sport is to score more points than your opponent. Intentional injury is NOT part of football as it is in boxing.
    No, it isn't the goal, but it is an inevitable and (from the perspective of prospective players) totally predictable aspect of the sport.

    Sure football is an inherently dangerous sport, but the density of human bone (and the resilience of the brain to impacts) is not upscaling like the strength and speed of players.
    Tough titty

    If today's boxers were twice as strong as Mike Tyson, the sport wouldn't exist; too many people would be killed, and the death toll would cause a public outcry to put a stop to it.
    I rather doubt that. But, in any event, let it happen.

    What's happening instead is the pussification of football, leaving the sport with no fans in 30 years but ***** and cat ladies.

    The NFL has to put in these pansy rules for that reason. If they don't they're going to end up with dead bodies on the field, and unlike in boxing, that is not supposed to be one of the risks inherent to football.

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    I watch football just to watch the Chiefs massacre the non believers. With the weapons they have in the offense, it is pure joy to watch. And if anyone cares to know, none of their players kneel for the anthem.

    Keeping politics out of my football.
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    FWIW, I couldn't give a $#@! about the Chiefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I watch football just to watch the Chiefs massacre the non believers. With the weapons they have in the offense, it is pure joy to watch. And if anyone cares to know, none of their players kneel for the anthem.

    Keeping politics out of my football.
    They were one of the few opening day teams that looked like an NFL playoff team . The Buccaneers , Vikings , Redskins , Broncos and Ravens looked like they had some potential , everyone else looked avg at best except the teams that were really awful ( Bills , Lions , cowboys etc ) . It was week one , but some of those showings should be embarrassing .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    They were one of the few opening day teams that looked like an NFL playoff team . The Buccaneers , Vikings , Redskins , Broncos and Ravens looked like they had some potential , everyone else looked avg at best except the teams that were really awful ( Bills , Lions , cowboys etc ) . It was week one , but some of those showings should be embarrassing .
    Indeed and their defense actually looked good. I cannot wait to see what they do with Kelce, Hill and Benjamin goes on full steam. Its going to be magic.
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    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.



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    Panthers Tight End Olsen fractured foot .
    Do something Danke

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    Chargers 8 point favorites against Bills . Undefeated Cleveland Browns roll into the Big Easy . Rams have the Cardinals , Raiders go to Mile High .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Panthers Tight End Olsen fractured foot .
    The only thing Dallas accomplished in that game was to wreak havoc on the Panther's injured list.

    ...which doesn't matter anyway, since the Panthers are terrible and not a division rival.

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    Bills , Cardinals , Lions , Raiders look like could be most probable at 0 - 2 . Maybe the Colts , After that , three of these six will be 0 - 2 . Seattle , Chicago , Dallas , Giants , Tennessee , Houston .
    Do something Danke

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    The only good news is that Prescott's playing so badly that even the coaches might notice and start the search for a quarterback.

    ...someone wise in the ways of football once told me that having a quarterback on a team is fairly important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    FWIW, I couldn't give a $#@! about the Chiefs.
    But your screen name is @kcchiefs6465 ...what's the story here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    But your screen name is @kcchiefs6465 ...what's the story here?
    Basically the pussification of the sport, which really ramped up in my estimation about five years ago has made the game unwatchable.

    Games are decided with penalties.

    One of the announcers a couple years back (referring to a call that affected the outcome of a game) said, "The NFL rulebook is like the IRS Code, no one knows what's in it!" That was the last game I even attempted to watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    Basically the pussification of the sport, which really ramped up in my estimation about five years ago has made the game unwatchable.

    Games are decided with penalties.

    One of the announcers a couple years back (referring to a call that affected the outcome of a game) said, "The NFL rulebook is like the IRS Code, no one knows what's in it!" That was the last game I even attempted to watch.
    at the 4:00 mark




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    Quote Originally Posted by kcchiefs6465 View Post
    Basically the pussification of the sport, which really ramped up in my estimation about five years ago has made the game unwatchable.

    Games are decided with penalties.

    One of the announcers a couple years back (referring to a call that affected the outcome of a game) said, "The NFL rulebook is like the IRS Code, no one knows what's in it!" That was the last game I even attempted to watch.
    You know, I can understand you not liking the NFL because of rules put in place to protect the health of NFL players, but why the Chiefs? its not like they played any part in it. Also why use something a commentator said as one of your rationales? These guys are just celebrities put on TV to talk. I have noticed that most times, listening to radio commentary is more entertaining that TV ones. Most of these people are give their job not because of knowledge but rather their celebrity status and looks.

    I used to be like you, there was a time I just wanted football to be played the old fashion way. Damn CTE or other debilitating injuries players might be saddled with post career but as I get older, I have come to appreciate more of the safety rules put in place. They are not perfect atm, but they are being adjusted with experience and sooner rather than later they would reach the equilibrium point for safety for this very physical point.

    I implore you to have patience and understand that they are not doing this because they are soft or pussies. The brain is a very delicate organ and it isn't easy trying to juggle safety with high contact sport like football.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thoughtomator View Post
    In boxing the very point of the sport is to hit the other guy and knock him out.

    In football the point of the sport is to score more points than your opponent. Intentional injury is NOT part of football as it is in boxing.

    Sure football is an inherently dangerous sport, but the density of human bone (and the resilience of the brain to impacts) is not upscaling like the strength and speed of players.

    If today's boxers were twice as strong as Mike Tyson, the sport wouldn't exist; too many people would be killed, and the death toll would cause a public outcry to put a stop to it.

    The NFL has to put in these pansy rules for that reason. If they don't they're going to end up with dead bodies on the field, and unlike in boxing, that is not supposed to be one of the risks inherent to football.

    Football by design is "play war" - a substitute for people killing each other. If people end up killing each other playing football, the design has catastrophically failed and its existence as a commonly-played sport will come to an end shortly after.
    Maybe flag football-but in tackle football, getting tackled is inherently injurious. Obviously not as bad as getting punched in the face, but worse than any legal judo throw-as the grappling arts (in sport form) are designed so contestants won't rattle their brains around in their skulls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Danke played Center .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    You know, I can understand you not liking the NFL because of rules put in place to protect the health of NFL players, but why the Chiefs? its not like they played any part in it. Also why use something a commentator said as one of your rationales? These guys are just celebrities put on TV to talk. I have noticed that most times, listening to radio commentary is more entertaining that TV ones. Most of these people are give their job not because of knowledge but rather their celebrity status and looks.

    I used to be like you, there was a time I just wanted football to be played the old fashion way. Damn CTE or other debilitating injuries players might be saddled with post career but as I get older, I have come to appreciate more of the safety rules put in place. They are not perfect atm, but they are being adjusted with experience and sooner rather than later they would reach the equilibrium point for safety for this very physical point.

    I implore you to have patience and understand that they are not doing this because they are soft or pussies. The brain is a very delicate organ and it isn't easy trying to juggle safety with high contact sport like football.
    Implore? Is it that important to you that he watch football?
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    You know, I can understand you not liking the NFL because of rules put in place to protect the health of NFL players, but why the Chiefs? its not like they played any part in it. Also why use something a commentator said as one of your rationales? These guys are just celebrities put on TV to talk. I have noticed that most times, listening to radio commentary is more entertaining that TV ones. Most of these people are give their job not because of knowledge but rather their celebrity status and looks.

    I used to be like you, there was a time I just wanted football to be played the old fashion way. Damn CTE or other debilitating injuries players might be saddled with post career but as I get older, I have come to appreciate more of the safety rules put in place. They are not perfect atm, but they are being adjusted with experience and sooner rather than later they would reach the equilibrium point for safety for this very physical point.

    I implore you to have patience and understand that they are not doing this because they are soft or pussies. The brain is a very delicate organ and it isn't easy trying to juggle safety with high contact sport like football.
    All fair points but let's be honest, when a quarterback is slapped on top of the head and a fifteen yard penalty is applied, and the outcome of the game changes, who reimburses those who lost money as a result of that decision?

    People bet a lot of money on these games under the assumption that the rules are the rules and that they aren't arbitrarily assessed.

    The announcer should know the rules. When I watched football, I knew the rules. Depending on the referee, the rules would change. That was before the rules changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    In terms of a full spectrum candidate, Rand is leaps and bounds above Trump. I'm not disputing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I watch football just to watch the Chiefs massacre the non believers. With the weapons they have in the offense, it is pure joy to watch. And if anyone cares to know, none of their players kneel for the anthem.

    Keeping politics out of my football.


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