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    Syria Showdown (2)

    first thread is graphix heavy and loads too slow....
    so...

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    IDLIB COUNTRYSIDE AIRSTRIKES RESUME...



    AFP
    BREAKING Kremlin says Syria army getting ready to 'solve' Idlib 'terrorism' problem

    Breaking: Syrian Air Force begins attack on west Idlib
    https://aml.ink/kUWi2


    Russian Market
    RUSSIA SEEN RESUMING STRIKES ON IDLIB - REUTERS

    Ali‏ @AbuBassel
    Russian & Syrian air forces started air strikes on Idlib

    Bosni
    Several pro-militant accounts claim that RuAF is striking TIP HTS targets in the vicinity of Jisr city Idlib
    Increased RuAF fighter jet activity over several areas in Idlib
    Jisr al-Shughur,
    Jabal al-Zawiya,
    Ariha,
    Muhambal,
    Jarjnaz
    etc..
    Syrian reporter: Russian warplanes targeting militants positions in Al Janoudiyah north of Jisr city
    and in Qarqur located in the northern Al-Ghab Plain south of Jisr city.



    https://twitter.com/Ozkok_/status/1036906365179125760




    Breaking: Russian Air Force begins largest bombing campaign of the year in Idlib
    https://aml.ink/oG2Nq


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    Daesh loses 90% of its revenue in four years - Russia's security service
    https://aml.ink/W5WkU



    ASSAD DRIVES UP....



    https://twitter.com/Syrian_Uruk/stat...52708738740225
    Last edited by goldenequity; 09-04-2018 at 06:35 AM.



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    Trump Warns Syrian Government Against Operation in Idlib Province
    01:36 04.09.2018(updated 08:38 04.09.2018)

    Trump has warned Syrian president Bashar Al-Assad against conducting a military operation in Syria's Idlib province, which remains a stronghold of insurgency in the country.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — US President Donald Trump warned the Syrian government as well as Russia and Iran against the Syrian army's possible offensive in the rebel-held province of Idlib.
    "President Bashar al-Assad of Syria must not recklessly attack Idlib Province. The Russians and Iranians would be making a grave humanitarian mistake to take part in this potential human tragedy. Hundreds of thousands of people could be killed. Don’t let that happen!" Trump wrote on his Twitter page on Monday.

    Idlib province is one of Syria's de-escalation zones and a remaining stronghold of insurgency in the country. The situation in the province has recently escalated with Moscow and Damascus suggesting that militants are planning to stage a false-flag chemical attack against civilians there to frame the Syrian government.

    Previously, Syrian President Bashar Assad said that the liberation of Idlib province was among the priorities for the Syrian military's operations. Meanwhile, Syrian Foreign minister Walid Muallem said in an interview that the warnings by the United States would not affect the "determination of the Syrian people and Syrian army’s plans to clear Idlib and finally put an end to terrorism in Syria," adding that the accusations by Washington about alleged plans regarding chemical attacks have become questionable in the eyes of public opinion.
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  4. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    OMG! This is so obscene. Trump continuing the Washington policy of protecting Al Qaeda and ISIS remnants.
    To see just how ludicrous this is, imagine a similar headline applied to the US. China warns US Government Against Operation in State of Texas, or EU Warns US Government Against Operation Along the Mexico Border.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
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  5. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    OMG! This is so obscene. Trump continuing the Washington policy of protecting Al Qaeda and ISIS remnants.
    To see just how ludicrous this is, imagine a similar headline applied to the US. China warns US Government Against Operation in State of Texas, or EU Warns US Government Against Operation Along the Mexico Border.
    They made him do it?

  6. #5
    US, Allies supply arms to Nusra, Daesh through third countries, like Ukraine – Damascus
    https://sptnkne.ws/j2JB

    Russian military in Syria unleashes massive air-strikes over 20 areas in Idlib province
    https://en.muraselon.com/2018/09/rus...strikes-idlib/


    https://twitter.com/Syrian_Uruk/stat...73397253742592

    Defense chief reveals details of Vostok-2018 military drills
    http://tass.com/defense/1019876




    US, French troops carry out archaeological excavations in Syria’s Raqqa
    https://en.muraselon.com/2018/09/us-...vations-syria/




    US, French troops excavating for traces in several locations in the northern province of Raqqa.
    The pictures show a drilling machinery – guarded by Coalition soldiers – digging in an ancient hilltop of the Raqqa province,
    that is controlled by the US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) militias.
    Activists confirmed that US and French forces began large-scale excavations in the archaeological hills
    surrounding the town of Mansoura in the western Raqqa countryside.
    The archaeological sites in Al-Raqqah are located on the banks of the Euphrates River and represent the cradle of civilization.

    Last edited by goldenequity; 09-04-2018 at 09:36 AM.

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    4 ISRAELI JETS OVER LEBANON FIRE 15 MISSILES (a breaking story... so 'facts' will be sharpened...)





    https://twitter.com/RisboLensky/stat...21549340098561

    Danny Makki
    Syrian air defenses firing over Masyaf, explosions reported near city.



    https://twitter.com/Dannymakkisyria/...04287124168705

    Within Syria
    A single explosion was confirmed near the town of Masyaf, Hama, the cause of the explosion remains unknown,
    several missiles were seen however there is no way to confirm the type of the missiles, who fired them or at what.



    Al-Masdar News
    Breaking: Israel reportedly bombs strategic Syrian town
    https://aml.ink/MYZbY


    Leith Abou Infidel
    Breaking: Israel reportedly bombs the Masyaf area of west Hama.
    A military source said that an Israeli warplane was spotted in northern Lebanon before entering Syria. 5 missiles hit the Wadi Al-‘Ayoun area.



    https://twitter.com/RisboLensky/stat...05903386603520


    https://twitter.com/WithinSyriaBlog/...06246753316864

    Ali
    Israeli airforce is still above kesrwan - Lebanon


    https://twitter.com/raedsyrian002/st...09566616170501

    Vlad
    Lots of fires are happening in the areas due to a downed hostile missile or defending missiles failed to intercept.

    Ali
    7 injuries arrived to Baniyas hospital due Israeli attacks.

    Bosni
    Director of the National Hospital of Masyaf, Dr. Maher Younis: A Martyr and 4 wounded as a result of the Zionist entity aggression.

    Within Syria
    SANA confirms that an area called Wadi al-Ayoun near Masyaf was hit with several Israeli missiles.
    What happened in the city of Baniyas remain unknown

    (it may have been a failed air defense missile)

    Vlad
    4 Israeli jets launched around 15 missiles at the same time
    (to confuse/decrease ability of Syrian AD systems to react)
    5 missiles were downed
    2 were jammed due to the near Russian bases
    other 8 missiles hit 2 SAA targets.


    Muraselon News
    Syrian Air Defenses Down Several Missiles Fired by Israeli Warplanes
    https://en.muraselon.com/2018/09/syr...eli-warplanes/


    Al-Masdar News
    Update: Syrian Air Defense attempts to confront Israeli missiles, explosion reported in Baniyas
    https://aml.ink/BkNB2




    HERE THEY COME...

    UK to provide protection to northwestern Syria's civilian amid military operation threat in Idlib - embassy in Russia
    Interfax

    (The twisting facts is unbelievable.)

    Zerohedge
    Trump to chair UN Security Council meeting, Haley says


    https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status...19616235728896


    (Finally the circus has arrived!)

    Last edited by goldenequity; 09-04-2018 at 11:48 AM.

  8. #7
    MOA: Syria Sitrep - U.S. To Stay To "Create Quagmires"

    The new U.S. aim in Syria is to hinder all potential progress in the reestablishing of government control as well as to obstruct any repair of the damage its war on Syria caused.

    The semi-permanent U.S. occupation of north-east Syria will be used in a new (and futile) attempt to achieve the long held U.S. aim of regime change. Secretary of Defense Mattis declared as much …
    “They [Iran] have no business there. And our goal is to move the Syria civil war into the Geneva process so the Syrian people can establish a new government that is not led by Assad …”
    If Iran, a treaty ally invited by the legitimate Syrian government, has 'no business' in Syria what business does the uninvited U.S. invasion force have?

    Asked about the prospect of U.S. troops in Syria Mattis said …
    “We also have to have train local troops who can take over. We're doing that training as we speak. … the chairman's got people assigned there specifically to train the locals.”

    The claim that the U.S. is there to fight ISIS is a lie. ISIS is still active in two places in Syria. Both are under U.S. control. On the east side of the Euphrates, near Al-Bukamal, ISIS holds several villages and the city of Hajin … The U.S. and its Kurdish controlled proxy force SDF stopped attacking those ISIS position in November 2017. …

    On June 6 Mattis announced that the attack on ISIS in Hajin had re-commenced but there was zero news of any fighting. Instead ISIS forces from Hajin crossed the Euphrates and attacked Syrian government positions. Further imminent attacks on ISIS in Hajin were announced by the U.S. proxy forces on July 13 and on August 14. None happened. The U.S. claims that the SDF has 50,000 fighters. What are they doing? …

    For ten month now ISIS sits unmolested in Hajin and the nearby areas. According to (pdf) the UN Sanctions Monitoring Team it is again extracting and selling oil and "earning millions of dollars per month". ISIS attacks from Hajin on Syrian government forces west of the Euphrates continue.

    The other ISIS concentration in Syria is around the al-Tanf border crossing between Syria and Iraq which is also under illegal U.S. control. …

    The U.S. is not fighting ISIS in Syria. It is building semi-permanent bases, trains a large proxy force, and controls Syria's oilfields. Its aim is still regime change … To achieve that it will continue to sow as much chaos as possible.

    As CIA and Pentagon mouthpiece David Ignatius wrote this week
    “the United States has enduring interests in Syria, beyond killing Islamic State terrorists — and that it isn’t planning to withdraw its Special Operations forces from northeastern Syria anytime soon. “Right now, our job is to help create quagmires [for Russia and the Syrian regime] until we get what we want,” ...

    The U.S. is massively expanding its positions in north-east Syria. More than 1,600 trucks with new equipment arrived over the last month. The U.S. now has 18 bases in north-east Syria, 6 of which have their own landing strips. … the U.S. is settling in with the intent to split the north-east from the rest of Syria …

    The U.S. is warning that any attack on Idleb "will escalate the crisis in Syria and the region". … France, the UK and the U.S. (FUKUS) … will use the pretext of a "chemical attack", staged by the White Helmets propaganda group, to launch a large bombing attack against Syria. …

    The U.S. is not only spoiling the military operations against the terrorists in Syria. It is trying to hamper any reconstruction and the return of refugees. …

    The U.S. wants to create a quagmire in Syria. … The U.S. is allegedly drawing up a target list for a large scale strike on Syria after a staged chemical incident. … The wish to "create quagmires" can easily get out of hand and the U.S. may very soon find itself in a pretty deep one.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
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  9. #8
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    https://twitter.com/SyriaWarReports/...52406852169728

    Lavrov: Washington wants to protect Jabhat al-Nusra in Idleb -
    https://en.muraselon.com/2018/09/lav...usra-in-idleb/



    Russia's naval task force off the coast of Syria has no chance against the US Navy on its own.
    (That's why the Russian build up in the region goes far beyond these forces.)

    Russia Is Covering the Upcoming Syrian Final Offensive With Far More Than Just 25 Warships
    https://russia-insider.com/en/russia...er%20%E2%80%A6


    Russian naval exercises off Syria are more than just Fleet-In-Being demonstration of a naval force with a significant salvo.
    This force [alone] will have issues surviving when pitted against much superior US Navy's one or two Carrier Battle Groups.

    But here is the REAL build-up and there is nothing secret about it.



    Key point is the interaction of heterogeneous forces. (Vzaimodeistvie)
    The simple graphic gives a very good spatial feel of the situation.

    1. Russian naval task force operates under the significant and highly integrated AD "umbrella"
    with the land-based S-400s and S-300s in Syria and their warning systems
    which are coupled with the air-space assets, such as satellite and A-50 reconnaissance capabilities.

    2. Nobody knows the exact number of submarines in the area, but I would guess
    that Russian subs are represented in the area by more than just two...
    and would include the newest SSKs of pr. 636.

    3. the ground assets... Russia does have her own "aircraft carrier" in the area and its name is Khmeimim Air Base.
    I don't have the current number of the SU-27SM, SU-30SM and SU-35Ss available there but even the regiment (24 aircraft) of such fighters
    is more than enough to mitigate any advantage a single carrier air-wing might present in case loonies in Washington decide to proceed with their strikes.

    4. Finally (but not least) one can try to track (good luck with that)
    those MiG-31Ks armed with hypersonic Kinzhals and TU-22s with X-32s,
    which I am sure already have the necessary real-time data and are most likely on current stand-by alert.





    IDLIB

    Tiger Forces commander arrives in northern Syria signaling Idlib offensive is near
    https://aml.ink/gPEYY

    Turkey, Russia hold last working group meeting on Idlib, Syria
    https://www.yenisafak.com/en/amphtml...-syria-3440313

    Syrian Army has started to strike Idlib with artillery.
    https://www.yenisafak.com/dunya/esed...asladi-3393780

    Syrian, Russian jets swarm southwest Idlib
    https://aml.ink/5l0wy

    Four Russian warplanes hit positions of Nusra Front in Idlib province – Ministry of Defence
    https://sptnkne.ws/j3km


    ►The mysterious USAF spyplane (prob RC-135 RivetJoint, 164407 per fr24) - not E6B mercury -
    snooping real close to Syria + Russian forces this morning

    Last edited by goldenequity; 09-05-2018 at 04:45 PM.



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    Al-Qaeda affiliated Al-Nusra terrorists have the resources and ability to produce chlorine gas to use against the population, UN special envoy to Syria Staffan de Mistura told a news conference on Tuesday.

    “I have said and confirm my view that both the government and the [al-Nusra] Front – which is an organization declared as terrorist by the Security Council – have the ability to produce chlorine for armed use,” Staffan de Mistura told reporters.
    The envoy stressed that chlorine has a “horrible and unique feature of being in the gray zone between what is considered a chemical attack or not.”

    More at: https://www.globalresearch.ca/un-say...-syria/5653091
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  12. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
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    https://twitter.com/SyriaWarReports/...52406852169728

    Lavrov: Washington wants to protect Jabhat al-Nusra in Idleb -
    https://en.muraselon.com/2018/09/lav...usra-in-idleb/



    Russia's naval task force off the coast of Syria has no chance against the US Navy on its own.
    (That's why the Russian build up in the region goes far beyond these forces.)

    Russia Is Covering the Upcoming Syrian Final Offensive With Far More Than Just 25 Warships
    https://russia-insider.com/en/russia...er%20%E2%80%A6


    Russian naval exercises off Syria are more than just Fleet-In-Being demonstration of a naval force with a significant salvo.
    This force [alone] will have issues surviving when pitted against much superior US Navy's one or two Carrier Battle Groups.

    But here is the REAL build-up and there is nothing secret about it.



    Key point is the interaction of heterogeneous forces. (Vzaimodeistvie)
    The simple graphic gives a very good spatial feel of the situation.

    1. Russian naval task force operates under the significant and highly integrated AD "umbrella"
    with the land-based S-400s and S-300s in Syria and their warning systems
    which are coupled with the air-space assets, such as satellite and A-50 reconnaissance capabilities.

    2. Nobody knows the exact number of submarines in the area, but I would guess
    that Russian subs are represented in the area by more than just two...
    and would include the newest SSKs of pr. 636.

    3. the ground assets... Russia does have her own "aircraft carrier" in the area and its name is Khmeimim Air Base.
    I don't have the current number of the SU-27SM, SU-30SM and SU-35Ss available there but even the regiment (24 aircraft) of such fighters
    is more than enough to mitigate any advantage a single carrier air-wing might present in case loonies in Washington decide to proceed with their strikes.

    4. Finally (but not least) one can try to track (good luck with that)
    those MiG-31Ks armed with hypersonic Kinzhals and TU-22s with X-32s,
    which I am sure already have the necessary real-time data and are most likely on current stand-by alert.
    There are no Carrier Groups in the area right now.

    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  13. #11
    There is “lots of evidence” that chemical weapons are being prepared by Syrian government forces in Idlib in northwest Syria, the new U.S. adviser for Syria said on Thursday, as he warned of the risks of an offensive on the country’s last big rebel enclave.

    “I am very sure that we have very, very good grounds to be making these warnings,” said Jim Jeffrey, who was named on Aug. 17 as Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s special adviser on Syria overseeing talks on a political transition in that country.
    “Any offensive is to us objectionable as a reckless escalation,” Jeffrey told a few reporters in his first interview on the situation in Syria since his appointment. “There is lots of evidence that chemical weapons are being prepared.”

    More at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-idUSKCN1LM365
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  14. #12
    Neocons in DC are plotting a way to help their terror squads in Syria. May God be on the side of good and strike down these bastards plotting to kill Syrian patriotic soldiers fighting to liberate their homeland.

  15. #13
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  16. #14

    Trump Commits US to ‘Indefinite’ Military Presence in Syria



    Trump Commits US to ‘Indefinite’ Military Presence in Syria:


    State Dept officials say Trump signs off on new strategy with more goals.

    According to State Department officials, President Trump has recently abandoned his desire to “get out” of Syria and bring US troops home. He has signed a new strategy, which includes new military goals, and eliminates all timelines for removing troops from Syria.

    US troops are in several parts of Syria, mostly in the Kurdish-held northeast. An estimated 2,200 US troops are in Syria, though official numbers are being withheld from the public. Special Envoy James Jeffrey said the old plan was to leave Syria by year’s end, but now the troops are committed to an “indefinitely extended” stay.

    The new goals are substantial as well, with the US now focusing on forcing Iran out of Syria and “enduring defeat” for ISIS. Jeffrey says the US is “not in a hurry” and that Trump is now on board with this idea.

    Pentagon officials have long presented the operation in Syria as more or less permanent, and have resisted all talk of pullout, including from President Trump. This mirrors their policy in Iraq, where US troops are similarly positioned in unknown numbers on a more or less permanent basis.

    Trump, interestingly, has not commented on this fairly dramatic change in his position on US troops in Syria. It is unclear why Trump hasn’t spoken on the matter, but there is no sign such comments are coming in the near future.
    https://news.antiwar.com/2018/09/06/...ence-in-syria/

  17. #15
    Pardon me if I don't take the word of anonymous sources.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  18. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pardon me if I don't take the word of anonymous sources.
    Not anonymous:



    Trump Commits US to ‘Indefinite’ Military Presence in Syria:


    State Dept officials say Trump signs off on new strategy with more goals.

    According to State Department officials, President Trump has recently abandoned his desire to “get out” of Syria and bring US troops home. He has signed a new strategy, which includes new military goals, and eliminates all timelines for removing troops from Syria.

    US troops are in several parts of Syria, mostly in the Kurdish-held northeast. An estimated 2,200 US troops are in Syria, though official numbers are being withheld from the public. Special Envoy James Jeffrey said the old plan was to leave Syria by year’s end, but now the troops are committed to an “indefinitely extended” stay.

    The new goals are substantial as well, with the US now focusing on forcing Iran out of Syria and “enduring defeat” for ISIS. Jeffrey says the US is “not in a hurry” and that Trump is now on board with this idea.

    Pentagon officials have long presented the operation in Syria as more or less permanent, and have resisted all talk of pullout, including from President Trump. This mirrors their policy in Iraq, where US troops are similarly positioned in unknown numbers on a more or less permanent basis.

    Trump, interestingly, has not commented on this fairly dramatic change in his position on US troops in Syria. It is unclear why Trump hasn’t spoken on the matter, but there is no sign such comments are coming in the near future.
    https://news.antiwar.com/2018/09/06/...ence-in-syria/



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  20. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by charrob View Post
    OK, we will see if it is true.
    Last edited by Swordsmyth; 09-07-2018 at 12:38 AM.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    OK, we will see if is is true.
    i hope you're right and it's not true. But it doesn't look good. Here's the article that was linked in Jason's article in the original post:


    Trump OKs indefinite US presence in Syria:

    President Donald Trump, who just five months ago said he wanted “to get out” of Syria and bring U.S. troops home soon, has approved a new strategy for an indefinitely extended military, diplomatic and economic effort there, according to senior State Department officials.

    Although the military campaign against the Islamic State has been nearly completed, the administration has redefined its goals to include the exit of all Iranian military and proxy forces from Syria, and establishment of a stable, nonthreatening government acceptable to all Syrians and the international community.

    Much of the motivation for the change, officials said, stems from growing doubts about whether Russia, which Trump has said could be a partner, is able and willing to help eject Iran. Russia and Iran have together been Syrian President Bashar Assad’s principal allies in obliterating a years-long effort by domestic rebels to oust the Syrian leader.

    “The new policy is we’re no longer pulling out by the end of the year,” said James Jeffrey, a retired senior Foreign Service officer who last month was named Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s “representative for Syria engagement.” About 2,200 U.S. troops are serving in Syria, virtually all of them devoted to the war against the Islamic State in the eastern third of the country.

    Jeffrey said U.S. forces are to remain in the country to ensure an Iranian departure and the “enduring defeat” of the Islamic State.

    “That means we are not in a hurry,” he said. Asked whether Trump had signed off on what he called “a more active approach,” Jeffrey said, “I am confident the president is on board with this.”

    Jeffrey declined to describe any new military mission. But he emphasized what he said would be a “major diplomatic initiative” in the United Nations and elsewhere, and the use of economic tools, presumably including more sanctions on Iran and Russia and the stated U.S. refusal to fund reconstruction in Assad-controlled Syria.

    But the more activist policies he outlined, and only in vague terms, could increase the likelihood of a direct confrontation with Iran, and potentially with Russia.

    Jeffrey’s description of a much broader U.S. role follows years of criticism from lawmakers and analysts that neither Trump nor his predecessor, President Barack Obama, had a coherent strategy for Syria. Trump, like Obama, insisted that U.S. interests were focused on defeating the Islamic State, and he resisted significant involvement in the civil war against Assad raging in the rest of the country, even as both Iran and Russia increased their influence.

    Jeffrey and retired U.S. Army Col. Joel Rayburn, who transferred to the State Department from the National Security Council last month to become “special envoy for Syria,” were brought in to try to create a coherent blueprint that would prevent a repeat of what the administration sees as the mistakes of Iraq – where a precipitous U.S. pullout left the field open for Iran, and for a resurgence of Sunni militants that gave birth to the Islamic State.

    Pompeo first listed Iran’s withdrawal from Syria as one of 12 U.S. demands of Tehran in a May speech at the Heritage Foundation.

    U.S. policy is not that “Assad must go,” Jeffrey said. “Assad has no future, but it’s not our job to get rid of him.” But he said he found it hard to think of Assad as a leader who could “meet the requirements of not just us, but the international community” as someone who “doesn’t threaten his neighbors” or abuse his own citizens, “doesn’t allow chemical weapons or provide a platform for Iran.”

    The first test of the administration’s expanded role in Syria may come sooner rather than later in Idlib, in the northwest part of the country.

    The province is the last bastion of rebel control after seven years of civil war, during which Assad, with extensive Russian and Iranian assistance, pounded opposition forces into submission.

    Idlib has now become a crowded holding pen for up to 70,000 opposition fighters, along with about 2 million Syrian civilians displaced from other battle zones, and activists and aid workers trying to assist them.

    Turkish military forces are also in Idlib, where they have pushed back Syrian Kurds from the Syria-Turkey border. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who fears a new exodus of Syrian refugees, is due to attend a summit in Tehran on Friday with Russian President Vladimir Putin and Iranian President Hassan Rouhani.

    Assad has said he is preparing a final offensive in Idlib, and Russian warplanes this week began bombing the region. Humanitarian organizations have warned of an unprecedented level of civilian bloodshed, and Trump himself has threatened U.S. retaliation if an all-out offensive is launched, especially with the use of chemical weapons.

    “If it’s a slaughter, the world is going to get very, very angry. And the United States is going to get very angry, too,” Trump said Wednesday. Pompeo, Jeffrey said, has delivered the same message by telephone to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, as did White House national security adviser John Bolton in a recent meeting with his Russian counterpart.

    Russia, which has beefed up its naval and other forces in the region in recent weeks, has charged that the United States is preparing to manufacture a chemical weapons attack to justify military intervention. It says its operations in Idlib are aimed at up to 14,000 fighters linked to al-Qaida.

    The United States agrees that those forces must be wiped out, but it rejects “this idea that we have to go in there and clean out the terrorists” when “most of the people there are not terrorists, but people fighting a civil war against a brutal dictator” as well as millions of civilians,” Jeffrey said. Instead, the United States has called for a cooperative approach with other outside actors.

    “We’ve started using new language,” Jeffrey said, referring to previous warnings against the use of chemical weapons. Now, he said, the United States will not tolerate “an attack. Period.”

    “Any offensive is to us objectionable as a reckless escalation” he said. “You add to that, if you use chemical weapons, or create refugee flows or attack innocent civilians,” and “the consequences of that are that we will shift our positions and use all of our tools to make it clear that we’ll have to find ways to achieve our goals that are less reliant on the goodwill of the Russians.”

    Trump has twice authorized U.S. air and missile attacks on Syrian government targets as punishment for previous chemical weapons use.

    Asked whether potential U.S. retaliation for any offensive in Idlib, with our without chemical weapons, would include airstrikes, Jeffrey said, “We have asked repeatedly for permission to operate,” and “that would be one way” to respond.

    “In some respects, we are potentially entering a new phase, where you have forces from the different countries facing each other,” rather than pursuing their separate goals, he said, listing Russia, the United States, Iran, Turkey and Israel, which has conducted its own airstrikes against Iran-linked forces inside Syria.

    “Now all of them have accomplished their primary jobs” there. “But nobody is happy with the situation in Syria.”

  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by charrob View Post
    i hope you're right and it's not true. But it doesn't look good. Here's the article that was linked in Jason's article in the original post:
    Asked whether Trump had signed off on what he called “a more active approach,” Jeffrey said, “I am confident the president is on board with this.”
    That answer doesn't inspire confidence in me.
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  23. #20

    al Tanf:






    Russia Warns US That Syria Offensives Are Planned Near US Positions:


    US 'postured to respond' militarily to any 'challenge'.

    While most of the Syrian War is centered at this point around the Idlib Province, the last major rebel bastion, there is also interest in mopping up some of the smaller rebel positions along the Jordan border, especially where ISIS and al-Qaeda are concerned.

    This is a raising a dangerous risk of a confrontation between the US and Russia, because Russia and Syria are very keen to chase some of the Islamists off the border in the near future, and Russia has informed them some of these Islamists are relatively close to US military positions in the area.

    The US has long been fine with Islamists on the Jordan border, and is warning Russia against taking any action against them, saying the US would view it as a “challenge” and that they would not hesitate to respond militarily if there is any move into the area.

    This is all near the US base at al-Tanf, on the corner between Syria, Jordan, and Iraq. The US has long demanded everyone stay away from this base, except rebels of course. The Pentagon is insisting they have the “right of self-defense” to keep their troops in this part of Syria, despite Syria never having allowed them to enter in the first place, and the offensive being aimed at al-Qaeda forces nearby, not the US troops.

    The US has long taken this bellicose posture regarding Tanf and other bases around Syria, and in the past has attacked Syrian troops and Russian military contractors for getting too close. With Russia’s military directly involved and giving the US advanced warning, clearly a US attack won’t be taken the same way as those past incidents.

    This is likely to be a long-term source of tensions in southeastern Syria, as the US shows no sign of leaving Tanf, and has no real military goals for the troops there, beyond being there to pick fights with other troops that happen by.
    https://news.antiwar.com/2018/09/06/...-us-positions/




    US Marines Conduct Live-Fire Exercise in South Syria in Warning to Russia:


    Centcom: US will not hesitate to use force.

    Following Thursday’s report that Russia had recently informed the US of planned military operations against terrorist groups on the Syria-Jordan border, a company of US Marines conducted a live-fire exercise in the same area. Officials say it was intended to be a “warning” to Russia.

    The exercise took place near the US base at al-Tanf, at the corner of Syria’s border with Iraq and Jordan. Though the US no longer really has any rebel allies in the area, which was initially the point of the Tanf base, the US does regularly attack any pro-Syrian forces who get too close.

    The proximity of Islamists, especially al-Qaeda-linked groups on the Jordan border, has pretty much been ignored by the US. The possibility that Russian and Syrian forces might take care of those groups has infuriated the US, and led to threats of force.

    Centcom officials continue to talk up the idea that they “will not hesitate to use necessary and proportionate force” if Russian, Syrian, or other pro-Syrian groups get too close to the Tanf base.

    In the past, US forces have attacked pro-government militias for getting near Tanf, and have also attacked and killed hundreds of Russian military contractors on one occasion, an incident followed up by US bragging.

    Though Pentagon officials are presenting this as standard operating procedure, it is anything but, particularly since Syria never authorized US troops to be there in the first place. Attacks on Russian troops would be a much bigger deal, and not something casually passed off as “self defense.”
    https://news.antiwar.com/2018/09/07/...ing-to-russia/

  24. #21
    The US Military has been Uninvited from Syria..

    The US has no Base at al-Tanf... they have a Terrorist Training camp at al-Tanf..

    It is a Legitimate Target.


    and I expect the Captured Chemical Munitions to be Evidence...
    add also,, Israeli Weapons and aid to Terrorists
    US weapons and Training to Terrorists..
    (one captured and talking,, near al-Tanf)

    Who supplied the Chemical components,, is yet to be clear.
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  25. #22
    US Says Assad Has Approved Gas Attack In Idlib, Setting Stage For Major Military Conflict

    At this point there's not even so much as feigning surprise or suspense in the now sadly all-too-familiar Syria script out of Washington.

    The Wall Street Journal has just published a bombshell on Sunday evening as Russian and Syrian warplanes continue bombing raids over al-Qaeda held Idlib, citing unnamed US officials who claim "President Bashar al-Assad of Syria has approved the use of chlorine gas in an offensive against the country’s last major rebel stronghold."

    And perhaps more alarming is that the report details that Trump is undecided over whether new retaliatory strikes could entail expanding the attack to hit Assad allies Russia and Iran this time around.

    That's right, unnamed US officials are now claiming to be in possession of intelligence which they say shows Assad has already given the order in an absolutely unprecedented level of "pre-crime" telegraphing of events on the battlefield.

    And supposedly these officials have even identified the type of chemical weapon to be used: chlorine gas.

    The anonymous officials told the WSJ of "new U.S. intelligence" in what appears an eerily familiar repeat of precisely how the 2003 invasion of Iraq was sold to the American public (namely, "anonymous officials" and vague assurances of unseen intelligence) — albeit posturing over Idlib is now unfolding at an intensely more rapid pace:

    Fears of a massacre have been fueled by new U.S. intelligence indicating Mr. Assad has cleared the way for the military to use chlorine gas in any offensive, U.S. officials said. It wasn’t clear from the latest intelligence if Mr. Assad also had given the military permission to use sarin gas, the deadly nerve agent used several times in previous regime attacks on rebel-held areas. It is banned under international law.

    It appears Washington is now saying an American attack on Syrian government forces and locations is all but inevitable.

    And according to the report, President Trump may actually give the order to attack even if there's no claim of a chemical attack, per the WSJ:

    In a recent discussion about Syria, people familiar with the exchange said, President Trump threatened to conduct a massive attack against Mr. Assad if he carries out a massacre in Idlib, the northwestern province that has become the last refuge for more than three million people and as many as 70,000 opposition fighters that the regime considers to be terrorists.

    And further:

    The Pentagon is crafting military options, but Mr. Trump hasn’t decided what exactly would trigger a military response or whether the U.S. would target Russian or Iranian military forces aiding Mr. Assad in Syria, U.S. officials said.

    Crucially, this is the first such indication of the possibility that White House and defense officials are mulling over hitting "Russian or Iranian military forces" in what would be a monumental escalation that would take the world to the brink of World War 3.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...itary-conflict
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  26. #23

    Arrow

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6678911

    BREAKING: LIBERATION OF IDLIB HAS BEGUN

    Midnight, GMT+3, September 9th – The liberation of Idlib from US backed terrorists, has now begun. With weeks of preparation, on the tactical, strategic, infowar, and diplomatic fronts, the Russian and Syrian air forces launched their first sorties tonight, with bombers and assault planes attacking terrorist held positions between Hama and Idlib. So far there have been over 70 airstrikes recorded above several jihadist sites in northwest Syria in just the last several hours alone.

    Previously the Syrian government confirmed that Russian and Syrian air forces successfully launched over 100 airstrikes since yesterday, softening up peripheral targets and making impossible the possibility of any break-through or counter-attack, or other maneuver on the part of the terrorists.

    It is expected, barring a major U.S counter-attack to protect their own assets, that the Syrian and Russian forces will heavily bombardment specific targets throughout the night, and into the early morning ours of September 9th.

    SAA and allied forces have been making simultaneous preparations for the ground assault which will likely commence tomorrow. Syrian and Iranian intelligence operatives inside of Idlib had been successful, over the last few weeks, in documenting and noting the location of targets where terrorists had made their HQ. One such was a former hospital, fortunately that this premises was being used as a base of operations by terrorist groups was recorded on video, and presented to the international community via information war channels.

    In the weeks leading up to today, both the US and Russia scrambled massive naval fleets into the Mediterranean, as a means to deter each other from any successful action. However, given the outcome of diplomatic efforts, in particular the events at the UN, it became apparent that the US’s plan to use a false flag or hoax attack as a pretext to attack Syria with a UN mandate-of-sorts (statements from the UN envoy to Syria, that is – there would never be a UNSC resolution to that effect).

    After securing an international coalition to support the final liberation of Idlib, and after having fought with some success in the UN to preclude any prejudgment to the effect that only Syria could be capable of pulling off a chemical attack, Syria said it was committed to ‘liberate’ Idlib.

    Jafari said “those who facilitated the entry of foreign terrorist fighters into my country, especially the Turkish government, still have a chance to remove them from Idlib province.”

    With the United States, Britain and France all reportedly making final preparations on September 8th to launch a major offensive against Syria, and threatening use of force on a scale far larger than that of the attack carried out in April 2018, Russia has notably responded by moving naval assets to the Mediterranean and deploying its warships in defensive positions to deter a potential second Western attack.

    Russian media said officially, that they were fully expecting a false flag or hoax chemical weapons attack to take place in Idlib, even going so far as to name the date as September 8th, carried out by the US and MI6 primarily, in order to use this as a pretext to take military action against Syria. So far, this has not materialized.

    [...................]

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    https://twitter.com/JimJatras/status...24703543558146



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    more footage of Russian drills off Latakia coast

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    Wall Street Journal Claims Assad Ordered 'Chlorine Gas' Attacks In Idlib
    https://southfront.org/wall-street-j...acks-in-idlib/


    "I will not comment on US military plans, but on Assad's use of chemical weapons, sarin and chlorine and disdain for civilian life
    is well documented and contrary to regional stability," the WSJ quoted the Pentagon spokeswoman Dana White as saying.


    -=-----------

    WikiLeaks‏@wikileaks
    YouTube, which is controlled by Google/Alphabet, censored Syrian state channels on Saturday,
    including Sama TV, Sana news agency, Syrian Ministry of Defence and the Syrian Presidency ahead of its battle to re-take Iblib,
    which is currenty in the hands of Saudi-US-UK backed forces.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 09-10-2018 at 08:26 AM.

  30. #26
    oops...


    US Department of State admits Idlib is controlled by al-Qa'ida
    https://web.archive.org/web/20180910...warning-syria/

    (3rd paragraph )

  31. #27
    US Inadvertently Exposes French Operations in Syria
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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    US Inadvertently Exposes French Operations in Syria
    Aww, its seems like the the colonial masters want their colony back.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Aww, its seems like the the colonial masters want their colony back.
    Blame France, Germany, or perhaps Italy...

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