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    Now this is one way to address inflation (rolleyes)

    From Drudge;

    Swamped in Inflation, Venezuela Will Cut Five Zeros from Currency

    https://www.wral.com/swamped-in-infl...ency/17774600/

    MEDELLÍN, Colombia — Faced with nearly incomprehensible inflation — 32,714 percent as of Wednesday — Venezuelan officials thought they had a solution: They changed the color of the bank notes and increased their denomination. Then they said they would lop off three zeros. And when that didn’t seem enough, they announced they would cut off two more.

    The tactics have left Venezuelans like Yosmar Nowak, the owner of a coffee shop in Caracas, convinced that there is no solution in sight and that the government cannot even bring down the price of a cup of coffee, an eye-watering 2 million bolivars.

    “I imagine if we keep like this we’re going to have to do the same thing in December,” said Nowak, who has been forced to raise prices in her cafe at least 40 times this year.

    Slashing zeros from Venezuela’s inflation-cursed currency, the bolivar, is the tent-pole of a set of economic changes by President Nicolás Maduro as he tries to right his country’s capsized economy. The five-digit inflation has earned Venezuela comparisons to the hyperinflation of Zimbabwe and Weimar Germany from the International Monetary Fund.

    The newly minted currency, which will be known as the “sovereign bolívar,” will be rolled out Monday. In addition, the president has ordered measures his United Socialist Party has been loath to consider in the past: An increase in gas prices for some drivers and a modest ease in the currency controls that have made dollars inaccessible to most Venezuelans for years.

    Yet these changes haven’t been enough to convince economists, who see desperation in Maduro’s latest moves and view the new currency as another chapter in the decades of mismanagement that have destroyed the Venezuelan economy.

    “It’s a cosmetic thing that’s happening, the zeros,” said Steve Hanke, an applied economics professor at Johns Hopkins University who has advised governments facing hyperinflation. “It means nothing unless you change economic policy.”

    By removing the zeros, Maduro is looking to solve what economists call hyperinflation’s “wheelbarrow problem” — the point when the currency has become so worthless that a wheelbarrow of cash is necessary to make purchases.

    The new currency, which will be phased in as the old one is phased out, would bring the price of that cup of coffee at Nowak’s shop down to the more manageable sum of 20 sovereign bolivars. But few think that price will hold for long.

    “We’re expecting an increase in more than 1,000 percent for the minimum wage, and of course, more inflation,” Nowak said. The tumult is so great, she said, “we’re not going to open Monday.”

    The problem isn’t to do with the zeros, but rather what’s causing them to appear. The Venezuelan government depends on sales from its state oil company to pay its debts. But mismanagement allowed production to sink to 1.2 million barrels a day in July — on par with the monthly rate in 1947.

    Faced with this shortage, the government turns to the Central Bank to order more money printed. While that may pay the government’s bills in the short term, it comes at the expense of everyone who owns bolívares, as the surplus of printed cash makes existing money increasingly worthless.

    And paying bills is only one of Maduro’s concerns.

    On Aug. 4, two drones exploded over a military parade Maduro was attending, in what the government said was an assassination attempt. And the president faces increasing economic isolation after he was declared the winner of an election to extend his term to 2025, a vote widely regarded as rigged.

    Amid this chaos, hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans are fleeing the country, finding daily life impossible in a country where grocery stores are empty and hospitals face water shortages, even in Caracas, the capital.

    The rollout of the currency has also been troubled, too. At first, the government said it would remove three zeros from the bills. But on July 25, with the dollar trading for nearly 3.5 million bolivars on the black market and continuing to lose value, the government said it would lop off five instead.

    The bolivar has only continued to lose value in the time since, with the dollar now approaching 6 million bolivars.

    While the changes mean prices that are less astronomical, they also create another problem for Venezuelans: Dividing by the unwieldy number 100,000. Economists say devaluations are usually done in increments of tens, thousands or millions to facilitate the math.

    “I am confused,” said Edwin García, a construction worker in Caracas who tried to calculate what his earnings would be.

    Many stores in the capital now simply quote prices in dollars to avoid confusion.

    It’s also unclear what backs the new currency, if anything at all.

    Troubled currencies are usually stabilized with a pledge from the government that they may be exchanged for a stronger one, like dollars or euros. Maduro, by contrast, has said the new bolivar will be backed by the petro, a cryptocurrency his government rolled out in February.

    And the petro itself, he said, is backed by oil reserves — a claim economists find troubling, given that much of the country’s oil production is earmarked to pay off debt to China and Russia.

    “You’re pegging a currency to a toxic asset which no one wants,” said Daniel Lansberg-Rodríguez, a political columnist for the Venezuelan newspaper El Nacional who teaches at Northwestern University’s Kellogg School of Management.

    Maduro’s plan to raise gas prices has also been met with skepticism.

    Venezuelans currently pay a fraction of a cent to fill up their tanks — the lowest price in the world. Maduro has pledged to continue subsidizing fuel for those who sign up for a government identification card and register their cars with the government, but he wants Venezuelans who don’t sign up to start paying the going international price.

    “It allows you to target the subsidy to those willing to buy into the system,” said Lansberg-Rodríguez. “It’s a bid for loyalty.” In gas stations in Caracas, there were more doubts about the plan. Alejandro Bolívar, a station supervisor in the suburb of El Hatillo, said no one from the government had come to reset the machines to the new currency or to explain when they would need to start verifying if buyers had government ID cards.

    For its part, the Venezuelan government claims inflation has been caused by an “economic war” waged by the United States and business people who oppose it.

    But economists said that if Venezuela is to curb hyperinflation, it will have to stop printing money.

    Hanke, the Johns Hopkins economist, recalls a similar situation in Yugoslavia, which he advised until 1991. Though Hanke objected to its currency changes, the country pushed ahead in 1990, removing four zeros from its bills. Its succeeding government removed another zero in 1992. In October 1993 it removed six zeros, in December nine more, and then at the start of 1994 another seven.

    With hyperinflation running at 313 million percent per month, the mint couldn’t keep up.

    And that country, Hanke noted, had a world-class mint. Maduro has no working mint, and must import bank notes.

    “It’s an impossible situation,” said Hanke.






    Maybe invent a cocaine backed currency? Use something with value eh......



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    ... And I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling kids! -Maduro [to USA]

    lulz

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    They are between and rock and a hard place. One solution would be for them to start pressing coins made with gold or silver. Sound from a money perspective, but the bombs would probably start falling before they could even put the first batch out. Nothing guarantees a war better than proposing sound money.

    They could try a block chain currency, but expect that effort to be hacked by foreign givernments too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    ... And I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling kids! -Maduro [to USA]

    lulz
    Che will probably show up in this thread to say exactly that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    ...
    They could try a block chain currency, ...
    Already in the works.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-crisis-maduro

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    The cryptocurrency is designed to be propped up by Venezuela’s vast oil reserves, with each digital token supposedly backed by one barrel of oil.

    Nearly 100 million coins, worth some £4.7billion ($6bn), were made available in the initial sale, with discounts offered to attract overseas investors.

    The Venezuelan government hopes to use the digital currency to skirt sanctions imposed by the United States and European Union, as well as reduce hyperinflation which has plagued the South American country’s economy.

    A white paper on the Petro published by the government says the cryptocurrency complies with Venezuelan law and “will be an instrument for Venezuela’s economic stability and financial independence”.
    ...
    But the cryptocurrency has come under fire from some observers who say there is a lack of detail on exactly how its value will be guaranteed by oil reserves.
    Good question. Why would a crypto-currency be backed by a physical asset? Seems to defeat the purpose. Apples and oranges.

    Additionally, in an economy that has fallen back to stone age bartering, how does anyone do a crypto transaction? All via cell phones?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    There is really no need for them to create their own cryptocurrency, they should just legalize and use the existing ones. Maybe even invest in crypto infrastructure like ATMs. That would be a far better option for them.

    They are going to try and "peg" the cryptocurrency to a specific value so that it doesn't change.. but what are they going to peg it with? This is going to create problems, for sure.. It would be better to use a cryptocurrency that is more volatile - they will be going up in value in the future anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Additionally, in an economy that has fallen back to stone age bartering, how does anyone do a crypto transaction? All via cell phones?
    Yes, you can do all your crypto transactions on a cell phone, that is why I think we will see at some point a third world or developing country move to bitcoin and be extremely successful. Plenty of people in third world countries have cell phones. They just need food and stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It would be better to use a cryptocurrency that is more volatile - they will be going up in value in the future anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    There is really no need for them to create their own cryptocurrency, they should just legalize and use the existing ones. Maybe even invest in crypto infrastructure like ATMs. That would be a far better option for them.

    They are going to try and "peg" the cryptocurrency to a specific value so that it doesn't change.. but what are they going to peg it with? This is going to create problems, for sure.. It would be better to use a cryptocurrency that is more volatile - they will be going up in value in the future anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Yes, you can do all your crypto transactions on a cell phone, that is why I think we will see at some point a third world or developing country move to bitcoin and be extremely successful. Plenty of people in third world countries have cell phones. They just need food and stuff.
    As it's all technically possible now, how much commerce in Venezuela is currently done with crypto-currency?

    And even in asking that question, I know that there is no accurate answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    As it's all technically possible now, how much commerce in Venezuela is currently done with crypto-currency?

    And even in asking that question, I know that there is no accurate answer.
    There will be a shift-point one day where a country or region will shift to crypto and it will be extremely successful. Nobody will be able to deny it, and suddenly everybody will want 'in'.
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    After Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro's 60-fold increase to the minimum wage, storeowners on Saturday wrestled with an anguishing decision: Close up shop or hit customers with steep price hikes at the risk of sinking the business. In a set of sweeping announcements that shocked many Venezuelans, the socialist Maduro on Friday ordered a 96 percent currency devaluation, pegged the bolivar currency to the government's petro cryptocurrency and boosted taxes as part of a plan aimed at pulling the OPEC member out of its economic tailspin.
    The measures especially spooked shopkeepers already struggling to stay afloat due to hyperinflation, government-set prices for goods ranging from flour to diapers, and strict currency controls that crimp imports. Many stores were closed on Saturday as owners hunkered down to consider the implications.
    Economists warned that some companies would go under, unable to shoulder the massive increase in monthly minimum wage from 3 million bolivars to 180 million bolivars, or roughly $0.5 to $30. That will likely increase unemployment and further fuel mass emigration that has overwhelmed neighboring South American countries.
    Jhonny Herrera, 41, owner of a hardware store on the windswept Paraguana Peninsula in northern Venezuela, said he would have to fire two employees because he cannot afford to pay them, leaving him with just one worker. When Venezuela was enjoying a decade-long oil bonanza, he had 10 employees.
    "I have thought about closing for good and leaving, all the more so now with these increases. I have held back due to my 14 year-old-son, who I would leave here because I need to emigrate first," said Herrera, surrounded by stores that have been shuttered after their owners fled the country.
    To soften the blow, Maduro vowed that the government would cover three months of the wage increase for small and medium-sized companies. But he did not provide details and it remains unclear how his cash-starved government would afford such a hefty payout or whether the chaotic administration has the logistical capacity to pay wages on time.
    The Information Ministry did not respond to a request for an explanation of the plan. Venezuela's main business chamber, Fedecamaras, said it did not have any estimates on the effects of the measure yet, although local economists predicted a heavy toll.
    "A minimum wage of 180 million bolivars in this current situation implies the closure of thousands of companies and the unemployment of many people," said economist Luis Oliveros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    No joke... Maduro has launched a cryptocurrency based on gold!
    So now we have “real” currency not backed by gold; with constant inflation.
    But also “cryptocurrency” based on gold?

    So while Venezuela is a major exporter of oil (and gold), the people cannot eat?
    It looks like Nicolas Maduro is really pleasing his handlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    They are between and rock and a hard place. One solution would be for them to start pressing coins made with gold or silver. Sound from a money perspective, but the bombs would probably start falling before they could even put the first batch out. Nothing guarantees a war better than proposing sound money.

    They could try a block chain currency, but expect that effort to be hacked by foreign givernments too.
    Exactly.

    Today, if any country tries to ditch a Central Bank and Fiat Money System, the US will come in, declare them the enemy for some humanitarian crisis or false flag, and bomb them back into the stone age until they are again under the control of the International Banking Cartels.

    Anyone remember the Dinar? Gold backed money that Hussein (I think) was trying to introduce? What countries were not under the control of the Banks? Afghanistan, Syria, Lybia, Iran, and North Korea? There were a number of them, and now, the only ones left seem to be North Korea and Iran. And who are we beating the War Drums against?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    ...
    Anyone remember the Dinar? Gold backed money that Hussein (I think) was trying to introduce? ...
    https://www.thenewamerican.com/econo...astated-dollar



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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Exactly.

    Today, if any country tries to ditch a Central Bank and Fiat Money System, the US will come in, declare them the enemy for some humanitarian crisis or false flag, and bomb them back into the stone age until they are again under the control of the International Banking Cartels.

    Anyone remember the Dinar? Gold backed money that Hussein (I think) was trying to introduce? What countries were not under the control of the Banks? Afghanistan, Syria, Lybia, Iran, and North Korea? There were a number of them, and now, the only ones left seem to be North Korea and Iran. And who are we beating the War Drums against?

    Modern Banking is a War Against Humanity.
    Exactly- and I'd +rep you again, if I could.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Exactly- and I'd +rep you again, if I could.
    Covered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    They are between and rock and a hard place. One solution would be for them to start pressing coins made with gold or silver. Sound from a money perspective, but the bombs would probably start falling before they could even put the first batch out. Nothing guarantees a war better than proposing sound money.

    They could try a block chain currency, but expect that effort to be hacked by foreign givernments too.
    Repped the wrong post, meant to rep that one.



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