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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Even a broken clock is right twice a day, you disagree with Ron on open borders, does that make you a traitor to your demigod?
    I oppose your statism so that makes me an open borders anarchist.

    You said that. Not me.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire



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  3. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    I oppose your statism so that makes me an open borders anarchist.

    You said that. Not me.
    He says a lot of $#@!, mostly it's $#@!.
    "The Patriarch"

  4. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    I oppose your statism so that makes me an open borders anarchist.

    You said that. Not me.
    You constantly argue for wide open borders and completely free movement of labor, you don't get to pretend that Ron agrees with that.

    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    He says a lot of $#@!, mostly it's $#@!.
    Yes, that is true of CaptUSA.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  6. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Yes, that is true of CaptUSA.
    Oh jeez, now it's I know you are but what am I? Uh, no, I was talking about you.
    "The Patriarch"

  7. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Oh jeez, now it's I know you are but what am I? Uh, no, I was talking about you.
    Forgive me, for a moment I thought you grew a brain.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  9. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Forgive me, for a moment I thought you grew a brain.
    I finally figured out who you are!

    "The Patriarch"

  10. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    I finally figured out who you are!

    I too have figured out your identity:

    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  11. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You constantly argue for wide open borders
    Time to put up or shut up. Show me. If I do it constantly, it should be easy. Otherwise, you mistake opposition to your statism as advocating open borders. Typical statist response - “disagree with me and you must be an anarchist”
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  12. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Time to put up or shut up. Show me. If I do it constantly, it should be easy. Otherwise, you mistake opposition to your statism as advocating open borders. Typical statist response - “disagree with me and you must be an anarchist”
    And we all know those dirty anarchists are just antifa boys living in their mom's basement.
    "The Patriarch"

  13. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Time to put up or shut up. Show me. If I do it constantly, it should be easy. Otherwise, you mistake opposition to your statism as advocating open borders. Typical statist response - “disagree with me and you must be an anarchist”
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Oh, so it's only illegal immigration that you have a problem with... So, we should just make it much, much easier to immigrate legally, then, right? I mean, that'd solve your problem with it.
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    I'm saying it's pretty damned ironic for someone who purportedly believes in liberty to want to have agents of the government forcibly violate the liberty of people because you think THEY are the ones who don't believe in liberty!

    If you really cared about the "vast hordes of people who don't believe in liberty", you wouldn't have to look outside the borders - they are all around you. They are you!
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    It's a strange distinction to draw between the undesirables born within the government's lines and those born outside them.

    Are we able to get these same tests for people born here and export them if they fail?? Perhaps America will finally fix our trade deficit!
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Call it what you want... I'd have more than a little problem if the federal government was on my property without my consent whether they called it "quartering" or "patrolling". You still have the same problem with your premise and it is decisively anti-liberty.

    But forget all that... The most basic question one has to ask is who you fear more? Are you more concerned about a foreign invasion or transgressions by your own government? That's an easy one for me. I've never been directly harmed by an immigrant, but your government violates the liberty of its citizens regularly all in the name of "security".

    I could find more but this is enough, it is really foolish of you to pretend you aren't part of the open borders mafia around here.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  14. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I could find more but this is enough, it is really foolish of you to pretend you aren't part of the open borders mafia around here.
    Mafia? Lol. So refute one post of his.
    "The Patriarch"

  15. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Mafia? Lol. So refute one post of his.
    I did, if you want to re-fight old battles follow the quote links, I have better things to do.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  16. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I could find more but this is enough, it is really foolish of you to pretend you aren't part of the open borders mafia around here.
    Sorry, where did I advocate open borders????!! Ha! You proved my point. You posted me shutting down your statism several times.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire



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  18. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I did, if you want to re-fight old battles follow the quote links, I have better things to do.
    No you don't. If I did you would sit here for hours responding. Weeks if necessary. And you could be proven wrong a hundred times and you would still keep going.
    "The Patriarch"

  19. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Sorry, where did I advocate open borders????!! Ha! You proved my point. You posted me shutting down your statism several times.
    Originally Posted by CaptUSA

    Oh, so it's only illegal immigration that you have a problem with... So, we should just make it much, much easier to immigrate legally, then, right? I mean, that'd solve your problem with it.
    Here your solution to the problem was to just let everyone come here so that there would be no "illegal immigration".

    Originally Posted by CaptUSA

    I'm saying it's pretty damned ironic for someone who purportedly believes in liberty to want to have agents of the government forcibly violate the liberty of people because you think THEY are the ones who don't believe in liberty!

    If you really cared about the "vast hordes of people who don't believe in liberty", you wouldn't have to look outside the borders - they are all around you. They are you!
    Here you opposed any immigration enforcement and characterized it as "violating the liberty" of the targeted illegals.

    Originally Posted by CaptUSA

    It's a strange distinction to draw between the undesirables born within the government's lines and those born outside them.

    Are we able to get these same tests for people born here and export them if they fail?? Perhaps America will finally fix our trade deficit!
    Here you denied the need to limit the number of people who are allowed to come here and claimed that there is no difference between those born in the country and foreigners.

    Originally Posted by CaptUSA

    Call it what you want... I'd have more than a little problem if the federal government was on my property without my consent whether they called it "quartering" or "patrolling". You still have the same problem with your premise and it is decisively anti-liberty.

    But forget all that... The most basic question one has to ask is who you fear more? Are you more concerned about a foreign invasion or transgressions by your own government? That's an easy one for me. I've never been directly harmed by an immigrant, but your government violates the liberty of its citizens regularly all in the name of "security".
    Here you sought to prevent the government from patrolling the border which would definitely give anyone and everyone who wanted to the ability to cross it at will, that is the very definition of open borders.


    Thanks for playing, occasionally I enjoy totally slaughtering an opponent who is completely out of his league.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  20. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    No you don't. If I did you would sit here for hours responding. Weeks if necessary. And you could be proven wrong a hundred times and you would still keep going.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  21. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    No you don't. If I did you would sit here for hours responding. Weeks if necessary. And you could be proven wrong a hundred times and you would still keep going.
    What's happening is Swordsmyth and others like me are contending that not enforcing immigration leads to a lot more rights violations than the rights violations being violated by enforcing immigration. You and CaptUSA are contending that enforcing immigration laws exists in a vacuum and so it is wrong as it is a rights violation. We are contending that the rights violations that would happen under an open borders, socialist model will lead to rights violations that you are complaining about, compounded at least 100 fold, maybe a million fold.
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  22. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    And we all know those dirty anarchists are just antifa boys living in their mom's basement.

    I know, right?

    How can you trust those filthy anarchists anyway? Hell, they refuse to advocate that others be violently dominated in order to provide for "services" that they (the anarchists) deem important. And even worse, they have the temerity, the unmitigated gall to demand that those others afford them the same courtesy! It's downright unnatural.
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  23. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Here your solution to the problem was to just let everyone come here so that there would be no "illegal immigration".


    Here you opposed any immigration enforcement and characterized it as "violating the liberty" of the targeted illegals.


    Here you denied the need to limit the number of people who are allowed to come here and claimed that there is no difference between those born in the country and foreigners.


    Here you sought to prevent the government from patrolling the border which would definitely give anyone and everyone who wanted to the ability to cross it at will, that is the very definition of open borders.


    Thanks for playing, occasionally I enjoy totally slaughtering an opponent who is completely out of his league.
    Apparently reading comprehension is not for you. Lol.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  24. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    What's happening is Swordsmyth and others like me are contending that not enforcing immigration leads to a lot more rights violations than the rights violations being violated by enforcing immigration. You and CaptUSA are contending that enforcing immigration laws exists in a vacuum and so it is wrong as it is a rights violation. We are contending that the rights violations that would happen under an open borders, socialist model will lead to rights violations that you are complaining about, compounded at least 100 fold, maybe a million fold.
    Wow, never heard that argument before dannno, thank you!
    "The Patriarch"

  25. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Here your solution to the problem was to just let everyone come here so that there would be no "illegal immigration".


    Here you opposed any immigration enforcement and characterized it as "violating the liberty" of the targeted illegals.


    Here you denied the need to limit the number of people who are allowed to come here and claimed that there is no difference between those born in the country and foreigners.


    Here you sought to prevent the government from patrolling the border which would definitely give anyone and everyone who wanted to the ability to cross it at will, that is the very definition of open borders.


    Thanks for playing, occasionally I enjoy totally slaughtering an opponent who is completely out of his league.
    Ok, thanks for the belly laugh.
    "The Patriarch"



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  27. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Apparently reading comprehension is not for you. Lol.
    Apparently you just lie when confronted with your own positions.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  28. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Apparently reading comprehension is not for you. Lol.
    He's too busy typing, thinking is for losers.
    "The Patriarch"

  29. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Ok, thanks for the belly laugh.
    Small minds often laugh at things they can't comprehend.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  30. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    He's too busy typing, thinking is for losers.
    Projection.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  31. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Projection.
    "The Patriarch"

  32. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Wow, never heard that argument before dannno, thank you!
    So what is your argument against that?

    You would prefer the outcome where rights violations increase by 100 or a million fold?
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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  34. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Matt is correct. The article suggests that BHO and DJT encouraged a cult of personality around them.
    We all know that Bernie and Hillary were basically on the same ideological page, but had two different
    approaches to the concept idea of embezzling public funds, he was/is more honest than she is. Period.



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