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    ‘They be pirates’

    An old scourge is reappearing in the Caribbean

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...=.abe781427ebf

    By Anthony Faiola | Photo and video by Jahi Chikwendiu Aug. 12, 2018

    CEDROS, Trinidad and Tobago — In the flickers of sunlight off the cobalt blue of the Caribbean sea, the vessel appeared as a cut on the horizon. It sailed closer. But the crew of the Asheena took no heed.

    “We be lookin’ for our red fish as normal, thinkin’ they be fishin’, too,” said Jimmy Lalla, 36, part of the crew that had dropped lines in Trinidadian waters last April a few miles off the lawless Venezuelan coast.

    The other vessel kept approaching. “They be needin’ help?” Lalla recalled wondering as it pulled aside their 28-foot pirogue. A short, sinewy man jumped on board, shouting in Spanish and waving a pistol.

    “Then we knowin’,” Lalla said. “They be pirates.”

    Centuries after Blackbeard’s cannons fell silent and the Jolly Roger came down from rum ports across the Caribbean, the region is confronting a new and less romanticized era of pirates.

    Political and economic crises are exploding from Venezuela to Nicaragua to Haiti, sparking anarchy and criminality. As the rule of law breaks down, certain spots in the Caribbean, experts say, are becoming more dangerous than they’ve been in years.

    Often, observers say, the acts of villainy appear to be happening with the complicity or direct involvement of corrupt officials — particularly in the waters off collapsing Venezuela.

    “It’s criminal chaos, a free-for-all, along the Venezuelan coast,” said Jeremy McDermott, co-director of Insight Crime, a nonprofit organization that studies organized crime in Latin America and the Caribbean.

    Comprehensive data on piracy is largely lacking for Latin America and the Caribbean. But a two-year study by the nonprofit Oceans Beyond Piracy recorded 71 major incidents in the region in 2017 — including robberies of merchant vessels and attacks on yachts — up 163 percent from the previous year. The vast majority happened in Caribbean waters.

    The incidents range from glorified muggings on the high seas to barbaric attacks worthy of 17th-century pirates.

    In April, for instance, masked men boarded four Guyanese fishing boats floating 30 miles off the coast of the South American nation. The crews, according to survivors’ accounts, were doused with hot oil, hacked with machetes and thrown overboard, then their boats were stolen. Of the 20 victims, five survived; the rest died or were left unaccounted for.

    David Granger, the president of Guyana, decried the attack as a “massacre.” Guyanese authorities have suggested that it could have been linked to gang violence in neighboring Suriname.

    “They said they would take the boat and that everyone should jump overboard,” survivor Deonarine Goberdhan, 47, told Reuters. After being beaten and thrown in the sea, he said, “I tried to keep my head above water so I could get air. I drank a lot of salt water. I looked to the stars and moon. I just hoped and prayed.”

    There have been reports of piracy over the past 18 months near Honduras, Nicaragua, Haiti and St. Lucia. But nowhere has the surge been more notable, analysts say, than off the coast of Venezuela.

    An economic crisis in the South American country has sent inflation soaring toward 1 million percent, making food and medicine scarce. Malnutrition is spreading; disease is rampant; water and power grids are failing from a lack of trained staff and spare parts. Police and military are abandoning their posts as their paychecks become nearly worthless. Under the socialist government of President Nicolás Maduro, repression and corruption have increased.

    The conditions are compelling some Venezuelans to take desperate action.

    One Venezuelan port official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to address official corruption, said that Venezuelan coast guard officers have been boarding anchored vessels and demanding money and food. He said commercial ships, in response, are increasingly anchoring farther off the coast, and turning off their motors and lights to avoid being seen at night.

    It doesn’t always work.

    In July, one vessel from the local company Conferry, which offers freight services to nearby Venezuelan islands, was raided by three men brandishing knives and guns near the port of Guanta. Four crew members were left tied up for hours while food and electronics were stolen.

    In January in Puerto La Cruz, also on the northeast coast, seven armed burglars boarded an anchored tanker. They tied up the vessel’s guard on duty, then robbed its stores. Similar incidents have been reported in the months since, according to the Commercial Crime Services division of the Paris-based International Chamber of Commerce.

    Trinidad and Tobago, an island nation of 1.4 million people within eyeshot of the Venezuelan coast, has long worried about crime emanating from its neighbor. Since the 1990s, drug smugglers have shipped marijuana and Colombian cocaine from Venezuelan ports to Trinidad, and from there to other Caribbean countries and beyond.

    Trafficking and piracy, locals say, have recently been expanding and becoming more violent. Five Trinidadian fishermen in the southern port of Cedros, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing fear for their safety, said in interviews that they had witnessed a burst of Venezuelan boats arriving in recent months smuggling military-issue guns as well as drugs, women and exotic animals.

    “Sometimes, those Venezuelans are willing to trade the guns and animals for food,” said one 41-year-old fisherman.

    Another fisherman said he was held for hours in January by Spanish-speaking pirates while his brother was contacted to pay a $500 ransom.

    A Trinidadian coast guard vessel was dispatched to patrol the waters this year after several high-profile incidents of smuggling and piracy. But locals say the criminals simply wait until the patrol passes, and then they act.

    Trinidadian authorities did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

    Opposition politicians, however, are decrying a surge in piracy. They also say that the flow of automatic weapons from Venezuela — some of which appear to be coming from military stores — is contributing to a swelling homicide rate in Trinidad.

    “This reminds me of how the problems started off the coast of eastern Africa,” said Roodal Moonilal, a lawmaker from the opposition United National Congress party, referring to a sharp rise in ship hijackings off the coast of lawless Somalia several years ago. “What we’re seeing — the piracy, the smuggling — it’s the result of Venezuela’s political and economic collapse.”

    For those who make their living plying the warm waters of the Caribbean, piracy is a new source of fear. These days, locals are fishing closer to shore, and sometimes at night, to avoid the risk of attacks.

    On the April afternoon when the Asheena was boarded, Lalla said, he was terrified.

    “The man talkin’ Spanish, he point the gun at me, then he point at the water. I be knowin’. He be wantin’ that I jump,” he said.

    So he leaped overboard. The first mate — Narendra Sankar, 22 — followed him moments later. The men were swimming toward an offshore oil rig when Sankar suffered a cramp.

    “I had already reached the rig, so I had to be jumpin’ back in, to help him,” Lalla said. “He was goin’ to be drownin’.”

    They watched as the pirates seized their vessel, outfitted with two expensive outboard motors. Their captain, Andell Plummer, was still aboard. The two men were rescued from the water by a passing fishing boat. When they reported the attack to authorities, Lalla said, they were told: “We have no boat to go after them; we can do nothing.”

    There has been no word of Plummer since, the men say. Trinidad’s Ministry of National Security did not respond to a request for comment about his case.

    “My boy, they take him!” said the captain’s father, Deoraj Balsingh, 58, standing by a muddy Trinidadian dock surrounded by boats.

    “We don’t know,” Balsingh said. “We don’t know if he livin’ or if he dead.”
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee



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    An economic crisis in the South American country has sent inflation soaring toward 1 million percent, making food and medicine scarce. Malnutrition is spreading; disease is rampant; water and power grids are failing from a lack of trained staff and spare parts. Police and military are abandoning their posts as their paychecks become nearly worthless. Under the socialist government of President Nicolás Maduro, repression and corruption have increased.

    The conditions are compelling some Venezuelans to take desperate action.
    I know what I could do.

    Print this out by the thousands, soak it in habanero sauce, and stuff it down the throat of every dim-witted socialist, communist and Bolshevik boor I run across.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I know what I could do.

    Print this out by the thousands, soak it in habanero sauce, and stuff it down the throat of every dim-witted socialist, communist and Bolshevik boor I run across.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I know what I could do.

    Print this out by the thousands, soak it in habanero sauce, and stuff it down the throat of every dim-witted socialist, communist and Bolshevik boor I run across.
    But what about the Swedes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    But what about the Swedes?
    Disguise it as a Swedish meatball.



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    Be careful, this may be used as an excuse to try to get Trump to invade Venezuela.
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    If you pirate a pirate is it still piracy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    If you pirate a pirate is it still piracy?
    It's privateering.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    If I was younger I would have started an anti pirate security service for hire some time ago . Easy money . Just arm very heavy. Then you keep the stuff from the dead too for resale later to ensure a future demand for my services . And people think I wasted my time working for the govt , pfft where else can you learn what I know ?
    Do something Danke

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    Better hopes theres no Pirate captain that has a devil fruit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    If I was younger I would have started an anti pirate security service for hire some time ago . Easy money . Just arm very heavy. Then you keep the stuff from the dead too for resale later to ensure a future demand for my services . And people think I wasted my time working for the govt , pfft where else can you learn what I know ?

    I doubt foreign governments would grant anyone, let alone an Ingun, permission to sail their seas armed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I doubt foreign governments would grant anyone, let alone an Ingun, permission to sail their seas armed.
    Nobody would openly protest . If so we would just take their stuff and sell it to the enemy .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    If you pirate a pirate is it still piracy?
    Letters makes you a Privateer.

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    Look at that people, Venezuela was mentioned 17 times in an articles written by the CIA connected Jeff Bezos MSM rag. I wonder what kind of agenda they have with Venezuela? But if I was to believe what they say, my take away would be that we should stop trying to destabilize countries because they bring about piracy and terrorism.



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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Look at that people, Venezuela was mentioned 17 times in an articles written by the CIA connected Jeff Bezos MSM rag. I wonder what kind of agenda they have with Venezuela? But if I was to believe what they say, my take away would be that we should stop trying to destabilize countries because they bring about piracy and terrorism.
    A lot of major corporations have a grudge against Venezuela due to them seizing their properties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Look at that people, Venezuela was mentioned 17 times in an articles written by the CIA connected Jeff Bezos MSM rag. I wonder what kind of agenda they have with Venezuela? But if I was to believe what they say, my take away would be that we should stop trying to destabilize countries because they bring about piracy and terrorism.
    You're not doing it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    You're not doing it right.

    Follow "The Texan" if you want to see how to properly run a parody account.
    You are losing your edge m8.

    You are making zippy's job easy around here by trying to play off covert pro war article on this site as an anti socialist one. Didn't think I will live to the day you started posting pro war stuff on this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    You are losing your edge m8.

    You are making zippy's job easy around here by trying to play off covert pro war article on this site as an anti socialist one. Didn't think I will live to the day you started posting pro war stuff on this site.
    Meh.

    I've had to deal with pirates, for real...had a shipmate killed by them years ago.

    In each case they came from the shores of a failed socialist state

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Meh.

    I've had to deal with pirates, for real...had a shipmate killed by them years ago.

    In each case they came from the shores of a failed socialist state
    We all have our reasons for pushing the articles we post on this site, it could be that zippy's relatives were all killed by capitalist libertarians and maybe that is why he takes a very pro state angle, I still give him flack for what he posts. I don't doubt your story of ship m8s being killed outside a failed socialist state(/state the US is attacking) and I sympathize. Regardless, you should still be able to see through to what the intention of this article is trying to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    We all have our reasons for pushing the articles we post on this site, it could be that zippy's relatives were all killed by capitalist libertarians and maybe that is why he takes a very pro state angle, I still give him flack for what he posts. I don't doubt your story of ship m8s being killed outside a failed socialist state(/state the US is attacking) and I sympathize. Regardless, you should still be able to see through to what the intention of this article is trying to do.
    Commies cause their own problems much more than the US does, they also make themselves more vulnerable to attacks by the empire.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    We all have our reasons for pushing the articles we post on this site, it could be that zippy's relatives were all killed by capitalist libertarians and maybe that is why he takes a very pro state angle, I still give him flack for what he posts. I don't doubt your story of ship m8s being killed outside a failed socialist state(/state the US is attacking) and I sympathize. Regardless, you should still be able to see through to what the intention of this article is trying to do.
    Again, meh.

    I am fully aware that the WaPo, as member of the Monolithic State Media, is a government organ, pushing a government line.

    Doesn't mean they can't be right from time to time...broken clock and all.

    Hell, maybe they are trying to elicit sympathy among the "Kum-By-Ya, we're all global citizens" crowd, in order to import a couple million third world Venezuelan commies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Commies cause their own problems much more than the US does, they also make themselves more vulnerable to attacks by the empire.
    Another -rep from the RPF idiot. Seeing a -rep from u lets me know that I am doing something right and also getting under da skin. I don't really mind -rep if it came with a constructive criticism, so come up with something better than calling me a commie. Lastly, you do know that if you keep accusing me of being a commie, I might just turn into one then come to your city and raze it to the ground.

    Its funny how socialism/communism is so bad and destructive that it needs the economic and military intelligence might of the US to take it down. Libya was the most socialist/communist shytehole in the world that all it took to destroy it wasn't itself but years of economic sanctions plus the military might of US, NATO(+Sweden joining from outside the org), Israel and Gulf states. Isn't that weird that it needed that much help to be destroyed?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Again, meh.

    I am fully aware that the WaPo, as member of the Monolithic State Media, is a government organ, pushing a government line.

    Doesn't mean they can't be right from time to time...broken clock and all.

    Hell, maybe they are trying to elicit sympathy among the "Kum-By-Ya, we're all global citizens" crowd, in order to import a couple million third world Venezuelan commies.
    Emphasis ppl, it is focused on the globalist enemy in Venezuela. They want you to focus your anger on Venezuela and sadly it seems like it worked wonders on you. It also made such an impression on u that u decided to share the news with ppl on this forum.

    One thing for sure is that the author is trying his darn hardest to demonize the govt in Caracas so when the war starts, u have less sympathy for the poor souls over there getting bombed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Another -rep from the RPF idiot. Seeing a -rep from u lets me know that I am doing something right and also getting under da skin. I don't really mind -rep if it came with a constructive criticism, so come up with something better than calling me a commie. Lastly, you do know that if you keep accusing me of being a commie, I might just turn into one then come to your city and raze it to the ground.

    Its funny how socialism/communism is so bad and destructive that it needs the economic and military intelligence might of the US to take it down. Libya was the most socialist/communist shytehole in the world that all it took to destroy it wasn't itself but years of economic sanctions plus the military might of US, NATO(+Sweden joining from outside the org), Israel and Gulf states. Isn't that weird that it needed that much help to be destroyed?
    You already are a useful idiot with one foot over the line to fellow traveler, at the current rate you will be a full fledged commie in no time with out my help, I know I am right about communist/socialist hellholes not only because of the facts but because of your insipid propaganda in support of them, Libya was a hellhole before NATO pushed it off the cliff into anarchy, most hellholes do hover right at the edge of the cliff for a long time before collapsing on their own but that doesn't make them well run or a good place to live.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You already are a useful idiot with one foot over the line to fellow traveler, at the current rate you will be a full fledged commie in no time with out my help, I know I am right about communist/socialist hellholes not only because of the facts but because of your insipid propaganda in support of them, Libya was a hellhole before NATO pushed it off the cliff into anarchy, most hellholes do hover right at the edge of the cliff for a long time before collapsing on their own but that doesn't make them well run or a good place to live.
    I am talking about Libya not Somalia. I have a feeling you are mixing your NA countries up

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    The cannons don't thunder, there's nothing to plunder.
    Last edited by pcosmar; 08-14-2018 at 03:48 PM.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    The cannons don't thunder, there's nothing to plunder.
    Yes I am a pirate, two hundred years too late
    The cannons don't thunder, there's nothing to plunder
    I'm an over-forty victim of fate
    Arriving too late, arriving too late
    I've done a bit of smuggling, I've run my share of grass
    I made enough money to buy Miami, but I pissed it away so fast
    Never meant to last, never meant to last

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Emphasis ppl, it is focused on the globalist enemy in Venezuela. They want you to focus your anger on Venezuela and sadly it seems like it worked wonders on you. It also made such an impression on u that u decided to share the news with ppl on this forum.

    One thing for sure is that the author is trying his darn hardest to demonize the govt in Caracas so when the war starts, u have less sympathy for the poor souls over there getting bombed.
    I posted it because I am a sailor who has had to deal with piracy first hand.

    It directly affects me, because I operate in that area.

    I have no reason to "hate" the Venezuelans, until they come here and try to impose the same stupid $#@! they imposed in their now destroyed homeland.

    I hate Massholes for the same reasons.

    No hate, if you stay the $#@! away from me and my home and my vessel with your ideological poison and don't stick a Kalashnikov in my face to rob me on the high seas.

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