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    Syrian rebels build an army with Turkish help

    A “National Army” being set up by Syrian rebels with Turkey’s help could become a long-term obstacle to President Bashar al-Assad’s recovery of the northwest - if they can end factional rivalries that have long blighted the opposition.

    The effort is at the heart of plans by the Turkish-backed opposition to secure and govern a strip of territory that forms part of the last big rebel stronghold in Syria.
    The presence of Turkish forces on the ground has helped to shield it from government attack.
    Assad, backed by Russia and Iran, has vowed to recover “every inch” of Syria, and though he has now won back most of the country, the Turkish presence will complicate any government offensive in the northwest.
    Turkey’s role has gone beyond supporting allied Syrian forces to rebuilding schools and hospitals. At least five branches of the Turkish post office have opened in the area.
    Colonel Haitham Afisi, head of the National Army, says setting up the force has been no easy task over the last year.
    “We are at the beginning. We face many difficulties but we are working to overcome them,” Afisi told Reuters in an interview in the town of Azaz near the Turkish border.
    Recently, he had to issue an order instructing fighters to stop “randomly opening fire”, wear uniforms and cooperate with a newly established military police that represents “the force of law and justice and not a rival to any other faction”.
    Factions have also been banned from operating their own jails and courts and from carrying out extra-judicial arrests.


    The project has also faced attack: a number of recruits were wounded on Aug. 5 when their graduation ceremony in the city of al-Bab was shelled. Afisi said it was the work of an “enemy of the revolution, be they internal or external”. The perpetrator had been identified, but he declined to say it who was.
    IDLIB EXPANSION?

    The National Army compromises some 35,000 fighters from some of the biggest factions in the war that has killed hundreds of thousands of people and forced some 11 million people from their homes over the last seven years.
    Many previous efforts to unite the rebels have failed, obstructed by local rivalries and at times by the competing agendas of foreign states that once backed many of the rebels in the Syrian war.
    The National Army could be different because of Turkey’s presence on the ground.
    The Turkish military pushed into the northwest in two campaigns. The first, “Euphrates Shield”, which got underway in 2016, drove Islamic State from territory between Azaz and Jarablus. The second, “Olive Branch”, captured the adjoining Afrin region from the Kurdish YPG militia earlier this year.
    The area is important to Turkey because of what it views as the national security threat posed by the YPG, which it sees as an extension of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), which has waged a three-decade insurgency in Turkey.
    Assad says Turkey is illegally occupying Syrian land.
    “All the support for the National Army is from Turkey, there are no other states partnering in this matter,” Afisi said.
    The Turkish foreign ministry did not respond to questions from Reuters.


    Turkish support includes fighters’ wages, logistical support “and weapons if necessary”. He listed three enemies: Assad, the PKK and Islamic State.
    Turkey has also set up 12 military posts in Idlib province and adjoining areas which are located southwest of Afrin, under an agreement with Russia and Iran. The stated aim is to observe a “de-escalation” agreement in the Idlib area.
    Assad has indicated Idlib could be his next target.
    Afisi said the National Army could be quickly merged with Turkish-backed rebels in Idlib if necessary.
    The situation in Idlib is complicated by the presence of well-armed jihadists that have fought with the other groups.
    “We are ready and extend our hand to all groups that represent the goals of the revolution,” he said.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-idUSKBN1KX05Y

    A Turkey vs. Syria war soon?
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    only roiders (or BBC)
    could call Idlib's festering green bus dumping ground of jihaddi/Nusra/Al-Qaeda/ISIS leftovers
    'a National army' and craft an article/thesis around it.
    unbelievable. believable.

    Turkey has one move on the board: backwards (or else.)

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    Russian Special Forces arrive in southern #Idlib for upcoming offensive - source
    https://aml.ink/6dcnw





    Syrian military closes strategic crossings in preparation for #Hama offensive
    https://aml.ink/Rs2iS #Syria


    Nardeep Pujji
    ShockandAwe in Idlib
    Some one said some of the weapons being used in Idlib battle will shock the terrorists.
    Giant bazookas, BM 30s and SS-21 Scarab- Tochka ballistic missiles
    spotted among the Syrian convoy headed towards Idlib battle front.



    Syrian Army reinforcements continue to pour into #Hama for upcoming offensive (video)
    https://aml.ink/POvyd


    Russian Forces To Establish Humanitarian Corridor In Northern Hama Ahead Of Syrian Army’s Advance
    http://dlvr.it/QfdRbg
    Last edited by goldenequity; 08-12-2018 at 07:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    only roiders (or BBC)
    could call Idlib's festering green bus dumping ground of jihaddi/Nusra/Al-Qaeda/ISIS leftovers
    'a National army' and craft an article/thesis around it.
    unbelievable. believable.

    Turkey has one move on the board: backwards (or else.)
    But is the mad Sultan still sane enough to see it that way?
    I think he will go to war with Assad, especially since he is undoubtedly being manipulated to do so behind the scenes by those who would benefit.
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    Question Turkey = Northern Saudi-Israel

    Assad's "reconciliation" strategy of busing the enemy has put most of them in the Idlib area, now what's he gonna do?

    The de-escalation zone is a terrorist sanctuary. A crappy truce at best, not a good long term solution. Maybe Assad and the Kurds can run them off into Turkey...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    Assad's "reconciliation" strategy of busing the enemy has put most of them in the Idlib area, now what's he gonna do?

    The de-escalation zone is a terrorist sanctuary. A crappy truce at best, not a good long term solution. Maybe Assad and the Kurds can run them off into Turkey...
    Which is why I believe he will go to war, he wants to use the terrorists to destroy Syria, he doesn't want them running around his backyard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    But is the mad Sultan still sane enough to see it that way?
    Currently? no...

    Turkey preparing to launch new military operation in Syria
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...tion-in-syria/


    “We are at the last stage of preparations for increasing the number of regions in Syria, where we have provided stability through ‘the Euphrates Shield’ and ‘the Olive Branch’ operations. With God’s help, we will liberate new territories in the near future and bring security there,”

    ►Damascus has condemned Turkey’s military operations, saying they violate the Syrian sovereignty.

    SDF denies coordination with Syrian Army in upcoming Idlib battle
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...-idlib-battle/




    "however, he said that during the government’s meeting with the Syrian Democratic Council two weeks ago, the group offered to aid in the offensive.

    The Syrian Arab Army is currently preparing to launch their long-awaited offensive to retake the northern countryside of Hama and the strategic Idlib Governorate city of Jisr Al-Shughour."


    I think he will go to war with Assad,

    'rural' countryside...
    I think there will be continuous FSA/rebel vs SAA ground skirmishes.... artillery duels.... and airstrikes..
    Russia will participate air/ground. (Kurds/SDF will NOT be used.)
    Turks will be giving 'intel' to the headchoppers... but no 'active' participation or air support.
    Humanitarian 'corridors' will be set up to enable disarmament/surrender & refugee/temporary displaced locals/civilian Kurds etc.

    De-Escalation 'Zones'/Population Centers

    Turkish troops will be clustering around civilian population centers...
    aka women/children & jihaddis hoping to survive
    (these will be dealt with last)

    Ultimately 'every inch' will be taken back by a determined and continuously strengthened Damascus.
    Syrian 'Promises' will be made concerning Kurd and N. Border 'controls' to allow Erdo to 'save face' and withdraw.


    .....he is undoubtedly being manipulated to do so behind the scenes by those who would benefit.


    McCain/CIA/Pentagon 'carrot' days are over...
    whatever 'promises' they gave him have obviously collapsed w/ Assad's victory.

    Trump & Treasury are now using the 'stick' vs 'everyone' including Erdo..
    Economic Terrorism.
    good luck.
    It's just pissin off the entire planet.
    Fun times ahead.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 08-13-2018 at 10:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    Fun times ahead.
    I think Erdo will end up officially going to war in Syria, it is insane but so is he.
    Turkey has one of the largest armies in the world and Erdo shows every sign of being eager to use it and no sign of being willing to accept defeat on anything.
    I believe there is still someone behind the scenes offering him carrots, perhaps Israel or the EU.
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    Saudi Arabia spends $100 million to the SDF/YPG in northeast Syria.
    http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/syria/17082018
    (Turkey must be flipping out... not to mention Damascus)



    Ali Özkök
    Turkish defense minister Hulusi Akar and intelligence head Hakan Fidan went to Russia to meet Russian defense minister Sergey Shoigu.
    They will discuss the cooperation against terrorists in Syria's Idlib.
    http://tass.com/politics/1017599


    Turkey's defense minister Hulusi Akar met Russia's defense minister Sergey Shoigu in Moscow.
    Turkey and Russia coordinate the operation against al-Qaeda in Idlib, Syria.







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    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...osed-minister/


    Turkey Is Dumping US Sovereign Bonds
    http://dlvr.it/Qg9hkr
    Last edited by goldenequity; 08-17-2018 at 06:44 AM.



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    https://twitter.com/Ozkok_/status/1030479360292278272

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    Trump raised the status of the US Cyber Command, placing it under the Department of Defense.
    opportunity to respond to emerging threats almost immediately. Moreover, the move supports the assumption that the US establishment is getting strategically ready to implement a scenario involving the use of force to resolve disagreements with Russia,"
    the CIA’s development of camouflage software to carry out cyber attacks, especially ‘false flag’ ones, as well as to the growing importance of cyberspace in the US’ hybrid warfare capability and the creation of a global digital surveillance system on social media. Another hint that the road is being paved for the use of force is Washington’s refusal to cooperate with Russia in preventing incidents in the IT sphere.

    More:
    http://tass.com/pressreview/1017565

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    off topic

    Last edited by goldenequity; 08-17-2018 at 12:55 PM.

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    Within Syria
    an intelligence source told me when I asked him about the recent movement of Turkey in northern Idlib:
    "Turkey can tell people in Idlib whatever it wants to, just like what the US did in southern Syria".



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    looks comfy...




    Turkey’s armored towers revealed for the first time as a part of anti-terror (PKK) policy:
    • 10 ton weight
    • Bulletproof
    • Rocket -IED resistant

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    some little 'rumors' 4 U....



    Elijah J. Magnier (FYI: this just the 'latest' bribery.. it's happened 4-6 times by my count since 2016...)
    ►Saudi Arabia offered Syria President Bashar al-Assad, "with US approval,"
    the reconstructing of the entire country (every single city & village)",
    that "he remains in power for life",
    in exchange for
    agreeing on Palestinian "deal of the century"
    and "expel #Iran & #Hezbollah".

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    ►Moscow rumored to accept the presence of pro-Turkish armed groups in Idlib that would not be attacked
    and
    Turkey becomes flexible towards Russia and Damascus attacking all other Jihadists groups in northern Syria.

    ►Putin would attend a Turkish - Russian Foreign & Defense Ministers meeting in Moscow
    to discuss Syria & further cooperation between the two countries
    since the US has declared an economic war on Ankara.
    US is losing more friends to Russia's benefit.

    NONE of the Foreign or Defense Ministers
    (neither) Turkey, Iran nor Russia managed to reach a final agreement regarding Idlib.
    Final Decision to be left to the meeting of the 3 presidents (Putin, Erdigan, Rouhani) expected in September.
    One thing all agreed upon: Jihadists will be removed.

    ►Russia Turkey Iran understand that the US said
    it will hit the Syrian government forces if a Chemical attack take place in Idlib
    is meant only to embarrass Russia. (suggesting to Jihadists to do so)
    The 3 Presidents are in complete unity over this point.


    https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1032968320931311616



    so...
    Between now and September...


    Ali Özkök
    Syrian army will focus its new offensive on three regions, without fully attacking Idlib:

    – Northwest Hama before the key town of Qala’at Al-Madiq in the Al-Ghaab Plain.

    – Southeast Idlib, clear the remaining towns around the Abu Dhuhour area.

    – Northern Latakia




    Bosni
    Liwa al-Quds convoys heading towards the outskirts of Idlib

    https://twitter.com/AbuBassel_/statu...29512382771201

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    https://twitter.com/Ozkok_/status/1033065472680493056


    Syrian foreign minister to visit Moscow in late August:
    Hot topic is Idlib and an agreement with Turkey.
    http://tass.com/politics/1018650

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  17. #15
    Ali Özkök
    Turkey has added HTS to Jabhat al-Nusra’s terrorist designation.
    (this is the 'clincher' and signifies Turkish submission in Russia/Syria/Iranian 'bargaining'/talks. I wonder what Erdo 'got' in return?)

    I expect that assault on Idlib is now imminent?
    or
    we continue waiting til the summit in Tehran/Sept. 7....
    Last edited by goldenequity; 09-02-2018 at 11:21 AM.

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    meanwhile...


    https://twitter.com/Ozkok_/status/1036291957469982722

    (I assume these M60 Firat tanks will be there to assist the Syrian allies against HTS. He be an utter fool to do anything else.)

    These are 1960's vintage US Patton Tanks that have received some upgrades...

    new 950HP engine
    120MM low recoil gun
    new sights
    12.7mm remote weapon station
    digital fire control system
    night vision
    transmission/final drive power pac
    passive external protections
    turret drive components (more responsive)

    https://s2.reutersmedia.net/resource...=LYNXNPED8H0Q4


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    https://twitter.com/Ozkok_/status/1036317676937854977
    Last edited by goldenequity; 09-02-2018 at 02:35 PM.



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  20. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post

    (I assume these M60 Firat tanks will be there to assist the Syrian allies against HTS. He be an utter fool to do anything else.)
    I do not assume anything, Erdo is crazy enough you just can't tell what he might do.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  21. #18
    Will the battle of Idlib start while Russian task force is in the Mediterranean?
    https://ejmagnier.com/2018/09/03/wil...mediterranean/


    The drill is announced to end one day after the Tehran Summit
    between presidents Vladimir Putin, Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Hassan Rouhani,
    to decide the fate and outcome of the battle of Idlib.
    This may indicate that Russia is about to provide huge firepower for the Syrian Army offensive in the north of Syria against jihadists,
    thus creating a shield for the dissuasion of a possible US tactical attack against Damascus.





    TURKEY

    Turkey has offered substantial information which has been added to Syrian intelligence and Russian information gathering.
    This has created a bank of objectives against HTS, Tanzim Hurras al-Deen (THD)
    and all the other jihadists and foreign fighters in the city and its rural area.

    According to the sources, Jisr al-Shughur, Khan Shaikhoon, Saraqeb and Sahl al-Ghab
    are the favourite initial objectives to be targeted by the Syrian army and Russia to dislodge
    and eliminate jihadists in these locations, with Turkish approval.



    Turkey has classified HTS as a terrorist organisation: however, it is still trying, to date,
    to convince its leader Abu Mohammad al-Joulani, an ex-ISIS (ISIL/Daesh) Emir,
    to dissolve its group and join, with his 12 to 15,000 men, the pro-Turkish groups in the north.

    Turkey also asked Joulani to detach himself from all foreign fighters so that the city of Idlib can be spared the assault,
    since Damascus is determined to recover every inch of Syria, including Idlib.



    “Damascus is not aiming to confront Turkey”.
    This is the first non-aggressive statement by the Syrian authorities towards Turkey since the start of the seven years of war imposed on Syria.
    Even those who financed, facilitated and supported the war (i.e. Saudi Arabia) are shifting from their original positions.


    Ankara confirmed to Russia
    its intention to pull out of Syria
    once a political solution is offered
    to those who fought against the Syrian Army
    and are now under Turkish mentoring.
    (they must separate themselves from the civilians. they must disarm and they will be given a choice: life or death. yeah... it's called 'surrender'.)

    Moscow and Damascus have been informed of the Turkish intentions and appreciate its effort to facilitate the elimination of all jihadists in the north.
    Ankara is willing to let go of these jihadists, force them to leave or to face death.
    (yup.)

    more
    https://ejmagnier.com/2018/09/03/wil...mediterranean/

  22. #19
    US, Turkey agree ‘any’ Syrian offensive in Idlib ‘unacceptable’ – US State Dept
    (Heather babes now creates her OWN foreign policy. hahaha... read this carefully)



    US, Turkey agree ‘any’ Syrian offensive in Idlib ‘unacceptable’ – US State Dept
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...us-state-dept/




    US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo spoke on Tuesday over the phone
    with his Turkish counterpart, Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu, about the situation in Idlib, Syria.

    The statement on the call, (according to State Department Spokeswoman Heather Nauert)
    takes a MUCH stronger position
    than the one taken by US President Donald Trump the day prior.

    Trump tweeted on Monday:
    “President Bashar al-Assad of Syria must not recklessly attack Idlib Province.
    The Russians and Iranians would be making a grave humanitarian mistake to take part in this potential human tragedy,”
    “Hundreds of thousands of people could be killed. Don’t let that happen!”

    Now, it appears that the State Department is expanding the White House’s red line.

    While Trump cautioned against a “reckless attack,”
    the State Department is calling “any Assad military offensive” in Idlib “unacceptable.”

    According to the statement: (sleight of hand..)
    Pompeo and Cavusoglu “agreed that any Assad regime military offensive in Idlib would be an unacceptable, reckless escalation of the conflict in Syria,”


    ------------

    btw... Friday is official circus day:

    On Friday, the United Nations Security Council will convene to discuss the situation in Idlib,
    US Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley told reporters on Tuesday.
    (Trump himself will chair)

    On Friday, Putin/Erdo/Rouhani will join in Tehran summit.


  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    US, Turkey agree ‘any’ Syrian offensive in Idlib ‘unacceptable’ – US State Dept
    (Heather babes now creates her OWN foreign policy. hahaha... read this carefully)



    US, Turkey agree ‘any’ Syrian offensive in Idlib ‘unacceptable’ – US State Dept
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...us-state-dept/




    US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo spoke on Tuesday over the phone
    with his Turkish counterpart, Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu, about the situation in Idlib, Syria.

    The statement on the call, (according to State Department Spokeswoman Heather Nauert)
    takes a MUCH stronger position
    than the one taken by US President Donald Trump the day prior.

    Trump tweeted on Monday:
    “President Bashar al-Assad of Syria must not recklessly attack Idlib Province.
    The Russians and Iranians would be making a grave humanitarian mistake to take part in this potential human tragedy,”
    “Hundreds of thousands of people could be killed. Don’t let that happen!”

    Now, it appears that the State Department is expanding the White House’s red line.

    While Trump cautioned against a “reckless attack,”
    the State Department is calling “any Assad military offensive” in Idlib “unacceptable.”

    According to the statement: (sleight of hand..)
    Pompeo and Cavusoglu “agreed that any Assad regime military offensive in Idlib would be an unacceptable, reckless escalation of the conflict in Syria,”


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    btw... Friday is official circus day:

    On Friday, the United Nations Security Council will convene to discuss the situation in Idlib,
    US Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley told reporters on Tuesday.
    (Trump himself will chair)

    On Friday, Putin/Erdo/Rouhani will join in Tehran summit.

    Erdo is really trying to straddle the fence but he can't keep it up forever, I expect him to end up going to war with Syria sooner or later.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  24. #21
    Turkey moved anti-aircraft weaponry into Idlib late last night.

    a conversation ensued....

    Turkey to shoot down a Syrian/Russian plane over Idlib.
    ►THAT is what the world is facing this morning as Turkey moved anti-aircraft weaponry into Idlib late last night.
    The only entities using aircraft over Idlib are Syria and Russia, so who does Turkey think they're going to be shooting down?
    Any such Turkish act would mean instant war.

    ►I seriously don't think that Turkey is stupid enough to shoot down Syrian and Russian planes.
    Russia would crotch kick Turkey so hard that everyone's family tree over there would be feeling it.

    ►I'm pretty sure that there is zero chance Turks will shoot down Russian planes.
    Amid current row with Trump, S-400 delivery, Turkish stream and shift of Ankara's policy towards BRICS it is the last thing Erdogan wants to do.
    The calculation of such movements is to keep jihadists in limbo as long as possible.
    Erdogan knows very well what kind of fuuckers those guys in Idlib are from the old times,
    when he helped US/NATO to train them and transit them to Syria through Turkey.
    The last thing he wants is that they will find out that they were completely abandoned by Turkey too early.
    They would go back to Turkey to take revenge.
    This is why Turkey deployed recently so many tanks and other heavy equipment on the Syrian border.
    Not to help jihadists...
    but to keep them inside after they will recognize that they were hanged out to dry. That's my 2 cents.

    meanwhile...

    Syrian And Russian Warplanes Bomb Militant Positions In Northwestern Syria (Videos)
    http://dlvr.it/QjcP3b




    Last edited by goldenequity; 09-09-2018 at 08:41 AM.

  25. #22
    Ali Özkök - علي أزكوك
    Russia has invited Turkey to join the biggest Russian military drills since decades, Vostok-2018!
    Also China and Mongolia participate.
    https://www.yenisafak.com/dunya/rusy...-davet-3394566




    NATO NOTO?



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    "proves relations between Russia and Turkey (as well as cracks between Ankara and globalists) are bigger than the most expected.
    This is really rare because Vostok 2018 is strategic Russian military drill and never before, afaik, in such huge strategic drills
    have foreign countries participated.
    It is first time even for China. Now NATO country was invited. Globalists are losing their grip over the world."
    Last edited by goldenequity; 09-09-2018 at 11:29 AM.

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    Turkey to shoot down a Syrian/Russian plane over Idlib.
    ►THAT is what the world is facing this morning as Turkey moved anti-aircraft weaponry into Idlib late last night.
    The only entities using aircraft over Idlib are Syria and Russia, so who does Turkey think they're going to be shooting down?
    Any such Turkish act would mean instant war.

    ►I seriously don't think that Turkey is stupid enough to shoot down Syrian and Russian planes.
    Russia would crotch kick Turkey so hard that everyone's family tree over there would be feeling it.

    ►I'm pretty sure that there is zero chance Turks will shoot down Russian planes.
    Amid current row with Trump, S-400 delivery, Turkish stream and shift of Ankara's policy towards BRICS it is the last thing Erdogan wants to do.
    The calculation of such movements is to keep jihadists in limbo as long as possible.
    Erdogan knows very well what kind of fuuckers those guys in Idlib are from the old times,
    when he helped US/NATO to train them and transit them to Syria through Turkey.
    The last thing he wants is that they will find out that they were completely abandoned by Turkey too early.
    They would go back to Turkey to take revenge.
    This is why Turkey deployed recently so many tanks and other heavy equipment on the Syrian border.
    Not to help jihadists...
    but to keep them inside after they will recognize that they were hanged out to dry. That's my 2 cents.
    I'm not so sure, Erdo is trying to have his cake and eat it too, very soon he will have to decide what he really wants and I think he may go to war in Syria.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  27. #24
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  29. #25
    Turkey won’t watch the killings of tens of thousands of innocent people from the sidelines, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said after Russian President Vladimir Putin rejected his call for a cease-fire in Idlib, Syria’s last rebel stronghold.
    Turkey won’t be part of a game to further the interests of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, Erdogan said. He had warned earlier of a looming “catastrophe” as the Damascus regime’s forces prepare to fight the last major battle of the seven-year civil war.

    “We will neither watch from the sidelines nor participate in such a game,” Erdogan said in a message on Twitter, several hours after Putin on Friday rebuffed his call for a cease-fire in Idlib at a summit in Tehran. Erdogan warned at the summit that the province, home to almost 3 million people, is at risk of turning into “a lake of blood.”

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  30. #26

    ►....
    Erdogan knows very well what kind of fuuckers those guys in Idlib are from the old times,
    when he helped US/NATO to train them and transit them to Syria through Turkey.
    The last thing he wants is that they will find out that they were completely abandoned by Turkey too early.
    They would go back to Turkey to take revenge.

    This is why Turkey deployed recently so many tanks and other heavy equipment on the Syrian border.
    Not to help jihadists...
    but to keep them inside after they will recognize that they were hanged out to dry. That's my 2 cents.


    https://twitter.com/Dalatrm/status/1039090484222861312

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    https://twitter.com/Ozkok_/status/1039080343423393792
    Last edited by goldenequity; 09-10-2018 at 07:38 AM.

  31. #27
    Syrian Strategic Researches‏ @Syrian_SR
    Today and for the first time
    Multiple artillery shells fired by the SAA, landed very close to a Turkish observation point in Idlib.



    VIDEO: Syrian Army reinforcements arrive at Tal Rifat after Turkey’s threats
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...rkeys-threats/


    DAMASCUS, SYRIA (4:30 P.M.) – Troops from the Syrian Army have arrived at Tal Rifat in northern Aleppo
    in response to threats made by the Turkish military to storm the city.

    The city was seized by the Syrian and Russian forces after the Kurdish militia’s withdrawal as per an agreement.

    The deal was made after the Syrian rebels, backed by the Turkish army, took over Afrin region last March.

    The fresh reinforcements come as a response to latest threats issued by Turkey
    that it might attack Tal Rifat and Menagh airbase.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 09-10-2018 at 09:51 AM.

  32. #28
    TURK BFFs

    Afrin: Border X-ing Infighting among rival Turkey-Backed Terrorists traffic narcotics to Turkey with TSK coordination
    https://en.muraselon.com/2018/09/hea...orthern-syria/


    ►Battalions of Sultan Murad and Firqa al-Hamza engaged in a fresh round of clashes
    with rival terrorists of Ahrar al-Sharqiyah and Aswad al-Sharqiyah

    ►differences erupted among rival groups over running a border-crossing used by terrorists
    to traffic narcotics to Turkey with Turkish army’s coordination.

    ►13 terrorists dead and several more wounded.

    ....Turkish army convoy sent to end several hours of infighting.

    also..

    ►Sunday, Ahrar al-Sharqiyeh and Ahrar al-Sham, both affiliated to the Turkish army,
    ►exchanged fire in the village of Diki in Bolbol region.
    ►at least three terrorists were killed in the infighting.

    The Ankara-backed forces seized mobiles of the residents in Afrin’s old neighborhood to avoid the spread of the news to other regions,
    Hawar news said, adding that the occupiers and their allied militants have been continuing looting people’s assets, assassination and detention
    of tens of civilians to blackmail their families.

  33. #29
    Ali Özkök - علي أزكوك
    According to my infos #Turkish and #Russian military and intelligence officials discuss at the moment,
    how they can carry out a limited military operation in #Idlib with which all sides CAN more or less live.


  34. #30
    Erdogan calls on the world to stop Assad in Idlib
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...ssad-in-idlib/


    In an article published Tuesday in the Wall Street Journal, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan called on the international community to take action to prevent an attack on Idlib, the last rebel enclave in Syria, and warned that “the entire world stands to pay the price” otherwise.

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told Sputnik on Sunday that Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan have agreed to maintain their dialogue focusing on the conflict in Syria and the situation in the country’s Idlib de-escalation zone, following the Russia-Turkey-Iran summit in Tehran.

    On Sunday, the Wall Street Journal reported that the US Defense Department may be mulling the idea of striking Russian or Iranian military forces aiding the Syrian government if they were to launch an assault on Idlib. The report added that the United States would specifically decide whether to strike Russian air defense installations.




    Turkish Defense Minister Calls for Halt of Military Operations in Idlib
    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2...ary-operation/



    Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar said Monday that
    Ground and air operations in the Syrian province of Idlib should be stopped immediately
    .
    "Attacks from the air and land in Idlib should be stopped immediately, the ceasefire regime must be secured and extended,"

    =======

    some rough calculations...
    ...50,000 members of the Free Syrian Army
    TSK soldiers deployed exceeded 30,000...
    70,000(?) militants and 3 million inhabitants...


    Huge Turkish Army convoy enters Idlib tonight
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...idlib-tonight/




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