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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
    Erdogan calls on the world to stop Assad in Idlib
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...ssad-in-idlib/


    In an article published Tuesday in the Wall Street Journal, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan called on the international community to take action to prevent an attack on Idlib, the last rebel enclave in Syria, and warned that “the entire world stands to pay the price” otherwise.

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told Sputnik on Sunday that Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan have agreed to maintain their dialogue focusing on the conflict in Syria and the situation in the country’s Idlib de-escalation zone, following the Russia-Turkey-Iran summit in Tehran.

    On Sunday, the Wall Street Journal reported that the US Defense Department may be mulling the idea of striking Russian or Iranian military forces aiding the Syrian government if they were to launch an assault on Idlib. The report added that the United States would specifically decide whether to strike Russian air defense installations.




    Turkish Defense Minister Calls for Halt of Military Operations in Idlib
    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2...ary-operation/



    Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar said Monday that
    Ground and air operations in the Syrian province of Idlib should be stopped immediately
    .
    "Attacks from the air and land in Idlib should be stopped immediately, the ceasefire regime must be secured and extended,"

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    some rough calculations...
    ...50,000 members of the Free Syrian Army
    TSK soldiers deployed exceeded 30,000...
    70,000(?) militants and 3 million inhabitants...


    Huge Turkish Army convoy enters Idlib tonight
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...idlib-tonight/



    If Erdo goes to war in Syria will he get a bailout?
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  3. #32
    https://www.syrianperspective.com/20...s-in-hama.html
    THE FAKE CW EVENT IS COMING; IT’S BEING FILMED ALREADY
    IDLIB: An Anglo-American crew arrived last Saturday to Idlib City by easily traversing the Turk border. They were spotted by agents of the Syrian government inside Idlib who reported the event to various security agencies. In their turn, Syria’s Military Intelligence Directorate informed the Russian military at Humaymeem who studied the evidence and came to the conclusion that in a few days the provocative event will take place.

    The Anglo-American team is made up, according to my sources, of 12 Americans, all of whom used to work for major “news” outlets like NBC and CBS. Among the American group are 4 Jews who hold dual citizenship; American and Zionist. The 6 Britons in the group are primarily MI6 contractors whose job is to provide security for the crew. (Wael says that the British group contains one expert in unconventional warfare). On Sunday, September 9, 2018, the crew met with representatives from Jabhat Al-Nusra, the so-called White Helmets and the Turkestan Party where they discussed the details. What the imbeciles did not know was that the room in which they were discussing the scenario was bugged. In that conversation, the MI agents learned that the staged CW event would take place in Jisr Al-Shughoor.

    Also, on Saturday, two (2) barrels of chlorine gas were delivered to Idlib City from Khirbat Al-Jawz, right on the Turk border while, as I am told, the Turk customs officers and military personnel merely looked on with orders not to interfere. The CW was collected and delivered by Qatari agents with the help of the Turks.

    The plan is primarily a British one where the chlorine gas will be deployed in an area consisting of mostly civilians and which will produce coughing, gagging and suffering children. The area is being prepared for filming as I write.

    http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35...51700&z=12&m=w

    According to my sources, there are some differences between Syrian analysts and Russian analysts as to how to proceed. Some Syrians and Russians are arguing that no military operations should take place while the “window” of opportunity is open for the terrorists and their aiders. By halting operations, evidence would indicate that no CW could have been used by the Russian Alliance.

    Others argue that the U.S. and its British and French lackeys would not dare to confront an emboldened Russia in an area it has staked out as its own. Any attack on Syrian air or army bases would risk Syria’s and Russia’s use of anti-missile missiles. Don’t forget, I actually saw the S-300s on the Syrian coast in 2000 and know for a fact that Syria has deployed the missile clusters on their mobile platforms. Other problems for the West are Syria’s vast arsenal of Yakhont anti-ship missiles. If the Russians permit it, Syria will fire these missiles at offending ships firing the revamped Tomahawks which we know have been fitted on American warships.

    But, it is a mess and could lead to unintended consequences which nobody wants. I sincerely do not believe John Bolton who prophesied a much bigger response to Syria’s use of CW, whether it was staged or not.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    https://www.syrianperspective.com/20...s-in-hama.html
    THE FAKE CW EVENT IS COMING; IT’S BEING FILMED ALREADY
    more here:
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6679792


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    Ali Özkök .
    ►SYRIA: Rebel sources tell @Reuters that Turkey has stepped up arms supplies to rebel forces in Idlib,
    providing 'large quantities' of weapons including Grad rockets. Via @Conflicts

    Roiders
    Turkey boosts arms to Syrian rebels as Idlib attack looms - rebel sources
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-idUSKCN1LS20I


    Ali Özkök - علي أزكوك
    Turkish Foreign Minister Cavusoglu talked today with 3 foreign minister about the situation in Idlib:
    - US secretary of state Pompeo
    - German Foreign Minister Maas
    - French Foreign Minister Le Drian
    Last edited by goldenequity; 09-12-2018 at 01:04 PM.

  6. #34
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    https://twitter.com/Ozkok_/status/1040337946400968705



    https://twitter.com/Ozkok_/status/1040342244153286656


    https://twitter.com/Ozkok_/status/1040339129039499265

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
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    https://twitter.com/Ozkok_/status/1040337946400968705



    https://twitter.com/Ozkok_/status/1040342244153286656


    https://twitter.com/Ozkok_/status/1040339129039499265
    Syria will end up at war with Turkey, I grow more sure of that every day.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Syria will end up at war with Turkey, I grow more sure of that every day.
    Or Turkey is about to get a double correction..

    hard to call
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Syria will end up at war with Turkey, I grow more sure of that every day.
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Or Turkey is about to get a double correction..
    hard to call

    September 13, 2018
    Syria - Turkish Tantrum Delays Liberation Of Idleb

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/09...-of-idlib.html
    (plus comments/good read)

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post

    September 13, 2018
    Syria - Turkish Tantrum Delays Liberation Of Idleb

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/09...-of-idlib.html
    (plus comments/good read)
    Erdo=Turkish Hitler.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  11. #39
    Elijah J. Magnier

    The Liberation of Idlib: Turkey is in the way, with Russia slowing down
    https://ejmagnier.com/2018/09/14/the...-slowing-down/

  12. #40
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    https://twitter.com/Ozkok_/status/1041385038288486401


    Syria - The Rationale Behind The Delay Of Idleb's Liberation
    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/09...iberation.html

    various scenarios are discussed...

    most all pivot around the assumption
    that Erdo will be under much greater pressure in near future
    cuz November 'sanctions'.
    He can [then] be more easily leveraged AWAY
    from various neo-Ottoman fantasies.

    I say 'release the Tiger Forces' and do it now.
    Fuuk em.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 09-16-2018 at 01:00 PM.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by goldenequity View Post
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    https://twitter.com/Ozkok_/status/1041385038288486401


    Syria - The Rationale Behind The Delay Of Idleb's Liberation
    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/09...iberation.html

    various scenarios are discussed...

    most all pivot around the assumption
    that Erdo will be under much greater pressure in near future
    cuz November 'sanctions'.
    He can [then] be more easily leveraged AWAY
    from various neo-Ottoman fantasies.

    I say 'release the Tiger Forces' and do it now.
    Fuuk em.
    I say wait for the midterms, neither Trump going to war in Syria openly nor his impeachment for failing to do so would be good for Syria.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I say wait for the midterms, neither Trump going to war in Syria openly nor his impeachment for failing to do so would be good for Syria.
    The US OUT OF THE WAY would be good for Syria.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    The US OUT OF THE WAY would be good for Syria.
    And waiting for the midterms is the best chance at that happening.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And waiting for the midterms is the best chance at that happening.
    I really don't think they plan to wait.

    I believe that Erdogan is likely getting an ultimatum..,, today.

    We will see
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  18. #45

    Turkish Strategy In Northern Syria: [neo-Ottoman empire]

    Turkish Strategy In Northern Syria: Military Operations, Turkish-backed Groups And Idlib Issue

    GENERAL ANALYSIS OF THE SITUATION

    In order to understand Turkey’s approach toward the conflict in Syria, one first needs to explain the military situation there as of September 2018.

    There are localized clashes between militant groups led by Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (formerly Jabhat al-Nusra, the Syrian branch of al-Qaeda) and the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) in northern Latakia and southern Idlib. The Syrian Arab Air Force and the Russian Aerospace Forces are carrying out strikes on weapon depots, equipment and UAV workshops and key facilities belonging to militants in southern and southwestern Idlib.

    These as well as deployment of additional SAA units at the contact line between the militant-held and government-held areas are described by pro-militant sources as clear sings of the upcoming SAA operation to defeat Hayat Tahrir al-Sham and other al-Qaeda-like factions there.

    In Suweida and Rif Dimashq, the SAA is still working to eliminate ISIS cells operating in the desert area. Separate ISIS attacks on the SAA and the US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) happen time to time.

    In those parts of Raqqa and Deir Ezzor provinces, which are controlled by the Kurdish-dominated SDF, the health care system has been totally destroyed, and no effort is being made to restore major infrastructure. Many of the areas under SDF control suffer from epidemics due to the shortage of clean water, and nearly total absence of medical services. The situation particularly bad, when it comes to restoring normal life and services. Local authorities, who should be involved in these matters, are mainly concerned with their own well-being. Kurdish leaders still view their main task as the creation of an independent enclave and later their own state in these territories. This is why their main concern is to keep the political and military dominance in the Arab-populated area.


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    Negotiations between Damascus and the Kurds are continuing at a slow pace. The Kurdish political leadership are seeking to get concessions from Damascus, for example some kind of federation within Syria.

    Afrin, controlled by the Turkish Armed Forces (TAF) and Ankara proxies, is experiencing low-intensity guerilla war. Cells of the Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG) regularly carry out bombings and run attacks on Turkey-led forces.

    The TAF has introduced additional security measures, increased the number of UAVs deployed and imposed practice of burning plots close to cities to react to YPG raids more quickly. However, the YPG continues a limited partisan war in Afrin, but without having sufficient forces to return it to own control.

    At the regional level, Ankara wants to position itself as the most important player in the matter of resolving the Syrian crisis. Turkey is actively supporting only those formations in Syria, which are loyal to and affiliated with it. The purpose is to turn Syria into a country loyal to Turkey, to neutralize Kurdish armed formations, to replace the Assad government, and to create a reliable pathway for energy supplies, especially oil, to Turkey. To achieve these goals, Ankara is using the rhetoric of counter-terrorism, though in reality it will support any organization ready to help to achieve its goals.

    On the local level, Turkey’s goals and tasks consist of two parts:

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  19. #46
    another slightly different analysis...




    Here's How Turkey Stalled The Syrian-Russian Offensive On Idlib
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...dlib-offensive

    Authored by Elijah Magnier, Middle East based chief international war correspondent for Al Rai Media

    Turkey is pushing further reinforcements of troops, commando units and tanks into the northern Syrian city of Idlib and around it, for a specific objective:
    to disrupt the attack against the city by the Syrian forces and their allies supported by Russia.

    Ankara is indeed taking advantage of the Russian slowing down of its strategy to liberate the city from jihadists (including al-Qaeda) due to the US threat to bomb the Syrian Army and government forces under that excuse of “using chemical weapons”. This “chemical weapon” has become part of the battle of Idlib, used as a tool to wage war on Syria just as the war is coming to an end.


    2 ASTANA BREACHES
    ►Russia considers the Turkish reinforcements as a breach of the Astana Turkish-Russian-Iranian deal
    , (ARMED THE REBELS)
    which limited the number of observation points and the military presence around the city and rural areas of Idlib.
    Moreover,
    ►Russia effectively considers Turkey to be unable to fulfill its commitment to totally end the presence of jihadists,
    especially including the group of al-Qaeda, stationed in the city and around it.


    OUTTA TIME

    In fact, the Turkish president Erdogan has asked for an extended delay to meet the Russian and the Iranian demands related to Idlib.
    This delay has been rejected by the government of Damascus whose leaders believe it is counterproductive to the interests of the country (to liberate the whole of Syria)
    and, further, would confirm Russian President Putin's hesitancy which is apparently due to the US threat.


    DRONE 'PROTECTION'? (no thanks.)

    Turkey has offered Russia the protection of its military base in Hmaymeem by preventing any further drone attack against it.
    The Russian base has been subject to over 55 armed drone attacks, all shot down by the Russian defence system around the base which is on the Syrian coast.
    Actually, Russia itself is prepared to attack rural Latakia in order to create a safety zone for its base
    and remove the presence of the jihadists who have claimed responsibility for most of the attacks.

    Russia has rejected the Turkish offer, asking Ankara to abide by its agreement
    and eliminate the Jihadists from the city using Turkish influence to avoid the attack.
    Damascus believes Turkey would like to annex Idlib and is, therefore, rejecting any [new] deal with Turkey beyond the one already signed in Astana
    which consisted of a commitment to finish off all jihadists.

    REBRANDING
    Furthermore, according to the sources, Turkey “promised to include Jabhat al-Nusra, aka Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS),
    within one single army in Idlib (aka 'join FSA)
    to satisfy the Russian demands and show its control over the jihadists.
    Ankara’s troops are bringing in more military personnel – as Turkey presents it –
    to support all Turkish proxies in their battle against jihadists who refuse to surrender or merge with the other groups.

    According to recent information provided by Turkish intelligence to Russia and Iran,
    the Turkish army is prepared to attack any group refusing to submit to Turkey.
    Moreover, it seems that hundreds of jihadists have left Syria for another destination.
    Ankara is facilitating the exit- or else- of all jihadists: otherwise, these will have to fight and die in Idlib,” the sources explained.

    Turkey is asking for more time, to delay the attack against Idlib for few more weeks.
    In the meantime, Syria’s allies are determined to control the rural area around Idlib, including rural Hama and Latakia.
    For this purpose, and for fear of a possible attack on Aleppo by jihadists as a way to divert the Syrian forces attack,
    the allies are sending large numbers of troops digging in for defensive purposes around Aleppo.

    Presidents Putin and Erdogan will meet Monday to discuss the tense Idlib standoff.

    Syria’s allies and Damascus itself consider Russia to have slowed down the pace of its attack,
    thus allowing Turkey to raise concerns worldwide about the necessity of the attack on Idlib.
    Turkey encouraged the US to take its time to prepare its bank of objectives (targets) in Syria in the case it decides to bomb Syria.

    Also, it has pressed the international community, mainly the Europeans, to intervene to prevent a possible “flood of refugees and jihadists
    towards the continent of Europe in the case of an attack on Idlib”.

    And this week, the two superpowers (Russia and the US) have conducted military maneuvers in the Mediterranean facing the Syrian coast and in Syria (Tanf).
    So they are indeed “walking on the edge of an abyss” while flexing their muscles to each other.

    According to my sources, Turkey “is asking for more time to solve the situation in Idlib without a fight.
    Also, it is proposing to solve the issue of tens of thousands of its armed Syrian proxy militants when the political reconciliation has matured.
    All these indicate strongly that Turkey is not willing to leave Syria”.

    Moscow has substantial strategic interests engaged with Ankara
    (commercial exchange, armaments, plus facilitating and selling energy)
    as well as with Tehran
    (commerce and energy exchange- one consequence of the Turkish rejection of the US unilateral sanctions on Iran).
    President Erdogan is playing on this strategic relationship to stop the battle of Idlib.

    Nevertheless, both Russia and Iran themselves sustain a more profound strategic relationship with Syria,
    where the desire to put an end to the war and see all of Syria liberated is much stronger.

    “There is no plan to attack the city of Idlib for now”, say the sources. The liberation of rural Hama, Latakia and Idlib are the main objectives.
    The almost two million Syrian civilians are not expected to exit to Turkey or Europe.
    They are invited to leave all areas which are under the control of the jihadists (mainly al-Qaeda and its partners or its armed supporters)
    and move into the city of Idlib under Turkish control.

    What is clear so far is the certainty that President Assad is not ready to give up Idlib to President Erdogan.
    Assad is said to be ready to start the attack in a few weeks even alone, at the cost of dragging everybody behind him onto the battlefield.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 09-17-2018 at 04:09 AM.

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    I really don't think they plan to wait.
    I believe that Erdogan is likely getting an ultimatum..,, today.

    We will see
    What a weasel Erdo is....
    just read this piece on his clumsy/blunt attempt at pressuring/staging

    this is to 'telegraph' a WARNING to Putin..... just ahead of their 'talk'
    read all his 'quotes'... they're all veiled threats.

    Turkey to cooperate with Russia on eliminating terrorists in Idlib – Erdogan
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...idlib-erdogan/


    he's a total snake.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 09-17-2018 at 04:34 AM.

  21. #48
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    https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassyC/...37695792066561






    Maxim A. Suchkov
    Awaiting start of the talks, #Russia's Energy Minsiter Novak who co-chairs RUS-TUR bilateral commission says #Putin, #Erdogan will also discuss Turkish Stream & Akkuyu power plant.



    https://twitter.com/MSuchkov_ALM/sta...96020625469441



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    Sochi meeting now over...



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  23. #49
    Press TV
    Turkey to create joint bank with Iran to help trade in local currencies
    http://ptv.io/2dXe


    (announced after Sochi Putin/Erdo meeting.. )

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