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    Silencing Alex . . . For Openers

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    By eric - August 7, 2018511430

    The other day, YouTube and Facebook and several other inter-related social media platforms banned Alex Jones – the founder of Prison Planet and InfoWars. The reason given isn’t that Alex is a “conspiracy” theorist – the ancient charge – but chiefly that he is a purveyor of “hate” speech.

    What this really means is that the powers that be hate the things Alex speaks about – his political incorrectness – and can no longer abide his being free to speak about such things.

    Having locked down colleges, the workplace and most other places, the very last place where it is still possible to openly express non-orthodox views – and to hear and read them – is online.

    And now that is to be locked down, too.

    The powers-that-be are almost literally chewing the carpet over the success of politically incorrect alternative media. They cannot stand it that people aren’t listening to them – and instead are listening to such as Alex and anyone else who does not parrot the party line.

    The Internet opened up a level playing field. Made it possible to end-run the curatorship of the powers-that-be over the dissemination and analysis of information to a mass audience. One no longer needed to have the budget of The New York Times or CNN to compete with both of them.

    Which has been driving the curators to Bunker Scene paroxysms of rage.

    Since it’s not yet formally illegal to voice – and publish – contrarian views (which are often simply correct views which deviate from politically correct orthodox views; for example, raising questions about the government’s official explanation for the symmetric, almost free-fall collapse of WTC 7 on 911) the method used to silence these views was first to “demonetize” those who voiced and published them.

    This means pulling the ads – and ad revenue – almost all of which is controlled by the social media platforms. Never mind that the object of advertising is to reach potential buyers. Never mind that the social media platforms were making money off these ads – the majority of the money going to them rather than the politically incorrect publishers.

    Out of sheer spite for their success, the advertising rug was pulled out from under them. In order – so it was hoped – to starve them into submission. If the powers-that-be couldn’t compete for readers and viewers honestly – on the soundness and fairness of their coverage – then they would eliminate competition by destroying it financially.

    But that didn’t work, either.

    Contrarian sites turned directly to readers for support, end-running the Goo-guhlplex’s control over online advertising.

    Cue even higher-pitched, fists-clenched shrieks of outrage, a la the Fuhrer’s condemnations of the German general staff.

    Like the Fuhrer’s screaming fit, the powers-that-be are screaming out of despair. They are losing control over what people read and hear – and they desperately want it back. They pine for the time when there were three networks (ABC, CBS and NBC) and three big newspapers (The New York Times, The Washington Post and the LA Times) all of which controlled what the nation read and heard – and thus, what the nation discussed and thought.

    There was no alternative media. Not because there wasn’t alternative coverage. It was just not technically or financially feasible to provide coverage that was contrary to the orthodox coverage of the powers-that-be and reach an audience of any size.

    Which served the dual role of erecting a kind of Potemkin Village of mainstream media Authority – what Walter and Dan and Peter said was Pravda (truth) because no one heard or read anything else – and of marginalizing any contrarian coverage by assuring would be necessarily poorly produced newsletter, pamphlets and so forth because of financial and technical limitations – and so could be dismissed as the work of “cranks.”

    But the Internet made it possible for someone like Alex – for almost anyone – to produce a live news show with production values as top-shelf as CNN’s – but without a CNN budget. And not beholden to the interests which provide the budget for the likes of CNN.

    It made it possible for someone like me to – an off-the-reservation car journalist – to publish car review and stories about the car industry that politically correct mainstream publications would never publish and still reach an audience as large or even larger than theirs.

    They can feel things slipping through their fingers.

    And it’s why they are pushing the button. Outright bans. We are going to make sure you can’t listen to or read viewpoints that we don’t approve of by simply taking them off the air. We will use our monopoly control of the Internet – mark that – to control what you read and hear by making sure you read and hear only what we allow you to read and hear.

    It’s not a legal prohibition of free speech – not yet. But it amounts to the same thing since effectively one big corporation – the Goo-guhl/Facebook/YouTube combine – controls what you get to read and hear online by controlling what it permits to be written and spoken about online. To get banned from these platforms amounts to being banned from the Internet.

    It is interesting that there is no keening of outrage from the political left about the silencing of free speech – which was once among the signature issues of the political left, until it acquired power and at that point became interested in stifling speech.

    It is also interesting that the issue of monopoly control over the Internet has not been raised by the . . . monopoly media. Which has the effrontery to tout itself as the only “legitimate” media.

    Which explains the resonance of the Fake News meme which drives the mainstream media crazy. The public – a large portion of it – knows it is Fake News. And has abandoned the Mainstream for the Alternative.

    This was ok so long as the alternative media could be (and was) dismissed as “fringe” and “conspiracy.” But it is no longer “fringe” and that is why it must be shut down, pronto.

    This is not about “hate” speech.

    It is about shutting down speech. And it won’t be just Alex who gets shut down if this is allowed to slide. It will be every non-orthodox point of view, including Libertarian and even lukewarm “conservative” points of view. This is already happening. It is going to get much worse.

    The mainstream/social media titans have declared war – and per the Fuhrer, it will be a war of annihilation.

    If banning contrarian media from mainstream/social media doesn’t do the trick, the next step – the last step – will be an outright legal ban on “hate” speech. Which will be defined by them – as anything which does not suit them.

    This isn’t “conspiracy.” It’s already fact in early adopter countries such as the UK and Germany. And it is coming here, make no mistake. Because it has to. Because it is either them – or us.

    No more sitting on the sidelines. The time has come to choose a side.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee



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    I have chosen... and the winner is... the Republican party. With all of their problems, they are still massively better than the Democrat/left at this time.

    I think it is amazing that the left gave away being the champion of the 1st Amendment. Now the right is the champion of both the 1st and 2nd.

    The left gave away being the champion of the blue collar worker. Now the right is the champion of business owners and the workers.

    The left is championing communism and open borders and their timing couldn't be worse.

    Sure makes me glad that the right is being led by a capitalist pig that know how to get things done, unlike government workers.

    I have chosen the right side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I have chosen... and the winner is... the Republican party. With all of their problems, they are still massively better than the Democrat/left at this time.

    I think it is amazing that the left gave away being the champion of the 1st Amendment. Now the right is the champion of both the 1st and 2nd.

    The left gave away being the champion of the blue collar worker. Now the right is the champion of business owners and the workers.

    The left is championing communism and open borders and their timing couldn't be worse.

    Sure makes me glad that the right is being led by a capitalist pig that know how to get things done, unlike government workers.

    I have chosen the right side.
    The republican party is not our friend, but we must strategically utilize it as a bludgeon against the Globalist Left, whenever the opportunity presents itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I have chosen... and the winner is... the Republican party. With all of their problems, they are still massively better than the Democrat/left at this time.

    I think it is amazing that the left gave away being the champion of the 1st Amendment. Now the right is the champion of both the 1st and 2nd.

    The left gave away being the champion of the blue collar worker. Now the right is the champion of business owners and the workers.

    The left is championing communism and open borders and their timing couldn't be worse.

    Sure makes me glad that the right is being led by a capitalist pig that know how to get things done, unlike government workers.

    I have chosen the right side.
    We can worry about pushing things farther when those who wish to subject us to caricature level tyranny have been defeated and no longer pose a threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I have chosen... and the winner is... the Republican party. With all of their problems, they are still massively better than the Democrat/left at this time.

    I think it is amazing that the left gave away being the champion of the 1st Amendment. Now the right is the champion of both the 1st and 2nd.

    The left gave away being the champion of the blue collar worker. Now the right is the champion of business owners and the workers.

    The left is championing communism and open borders and their timing couldn't be worse.

    Sure makes me glad that the right is being led by a capitalist pig that know how to get things done, unlike government workers.

    I have chosen the right side.
    You forgot anti-war, the left completely gave up on that too.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr-D...=youtu.be&t=60

    "Evil is evil, greater, lesser, middling, it makes no difference. The degree's arbitrary, the definition's blurred. If I'm to choose between one evil and another, I'd rather not choose at all."

    Choosing between the lesser of 2 evils brought us to the point where we are today. And going the same thing and expecting different results is the truest definition of insanity. If the corporate media want to fight with disinfo mouthpiece in Alex Jones, I want no part of it. I will sit on the side line and fight whoever wins that fight.
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    "Evil is evil, greater, lesser, middling, it makes no difference. The degree's arbitrary, the definition's blurred. If I'm to choose between one evil and another, I'd rather not choose at all."

    Choosing between the lesser of 2 evils brought us to the point where we are today. And going the same thing and expecting different results is the truest definition of insanity. If the corporate media want to fight with disinfo mouthpiece in Alex Jones, I want no part of it. I will sit on the side line and fight whoever wins that fight.
    If one side wins your options for fighting it will be extremely limited, I suggest you should fight that side now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    If one side wins your options for fighting it will be extremely limited, I suggest you should fight that side now.
    Pretty much. This isn't a battle of our choosing, but the steamroller is hurtling down the street. That steamroller has near limitless resources and a propaganda machine that would make Goebbels blush. We have to disable the steamroller first and then we can fight amongst ourselves.

    And don't be fooled by the GOPe. They agree with the left discretely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    The republican party is not our friend, but we must strategically utilize it as a bludgeon against the Globalist Left, whenever the opportunity presents itself.

    "They" think they are going to win.
    The neocons will gasm after gasm when they start imprisoning and executing the left, with the consent, be it political or tyrannical, of the masses.
    But, they have forgotten history.
    And what happens in the counter revolution.
    And who has been leading these revolutions.

    Question is, since we are ruled by cowards, can we execute a war, with mass casualties on one side, pinpointed by their bluster and crying from the treetops of their treason, and not a single loss on our side?
    They are clearly the cowards and the weak, masquerading as the brave and the strong.
    They have so much more to lose.
    So if you seek the truth, the answer to the question is still no.
    But it could be incredibly lopsided, and the left has all the disadvantages, except MS13 and ISIS.
    MS13 is lumpen, and Mexican, therefore, completely unreliable. Just kidding, Mexicans are hard workers, and their criminals are cold hard mother $#@!ers, still lumpen though.
    ISIS is sworn enemy, especially for money and loot, and possibly the deadliest piece on the board.
    Antifa is a lumpen fart. Only thing they are good for is taking the fall.

    I always feared I would be on the left, when the time came. I knew to survive, I would have to side with the strong, but I considered the strong my enemies.
    I had no idea, I would one day be on the side of the strong, my eyes red with vengeance.

    There can be no justice in America, without blood, rivers of blood.
    It'll hurt for a while, but feel so good at the same time.
    Like stabbing someone with all the hatred in you.

    Anyways.... ..Dick Cheney will not see justice. But his buddies will be betrayed.
    Last edited by UWDude; 08-08-2018 at 08:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Pretty much. This isn't a battle of our choosing, but the steamroller is hurtling down the street. That steamroller has near limitless resources and a propaganda machine that would make Goebbels blush. We have to disable the steamroller first and then we can fight amongst ourselves.

    And don't be fooled by the GOPe. They agree with the left discretely.
    Goebbel? really?

    The big point is that, they know that u will not sit on the sidelines for too long, TPTB give the sides just enough positive attributes to keep us in the fight. Alex Jones for example can actually stop being a disinfo, cointel agent and start speaking truth to power but he wouldn't. Until good people on both side decide to sit out of the pretend battle between the 2 sides of the ruling elite, we will never be able to get out from this bondage.

    And I am not saying this is going to be easy at all because most normal people want to join the side that moves the ball a little close to their goal. It is going to take a lot of discipline and self restraint that I don't think we have. But I have come to believe that is the only way out of this mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Goebbel? really?

    The big point is that, they know that u will not sit on the sidelines for too long, TPTB give the sides just enough positive attributes to keep us in the fight. Alex Jones for example can actually stop being a disinfo, cointel agent and start speaking truth to power but he wouldn't. Until good people on both side decide to sit out of the pretend battle between the 2 sides of the ruling elite, we will never be able to get out from this bondage.

    And I am not saying this is going to be easy at all because most normal people want to join the side that moves the ball a little close to their goal. It is going to take a lot of discipline and self restraint that I don't think we have. But I have come to believe that is the only way out of this mess.
    All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

    You are suggesting that we not speak up "when they come for the communists", how did that work out last time?
    We must defend our enemies rights or we will wake up to find we have none.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Goebbel? really?

    The big point is that, they know that u will not sit on the sidelines for too long, TPTB give the sides just enough positive attributes to keep us in the fight. Alex Jones for example can actually stop being a disinfo, cointel agent and start speaking truth to power but he wouldn't. Until good people on both side decide to sit out of the pretend battle between the 2 sides of the ruling elite, we will never be able to get out from this bondage.

    And I am not saying this is going to be easy at all because most normal people want to join the side that moves the ball a little close to their goal. It is going to take a lot of discipline and self restraint that I don't think we have. But I have come to believe that is the only way out of this mess.
    Stop with the "we" nonsense. You aren't one of us.

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    Stop with the "we" nonsense. You aren't one of us.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to angelatc again.
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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to angelatc again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    The republican party is not our friend, but we must strategically utilize it as a bludgeon against the Globalist Left, whenever the opportunity presents itself.
    The Globalist Left is the #1 threat to USA as a country.


    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We can worry about pushing things farther when we have defeated those who wish to subject us to caricature level tyranny have been defeated and no longer pose a threat.
    Can't argue with that.


    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    You forgot anti-war, the left completely gave up on that too.
    Were they ever serious about it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Stop with the "we" nonsense. You aren't one of us.
    Good point, I am really not in the same group as many of the people(especially Trump fan boys like u) on this site. I am super jaded, twice cynical, with a heap of pessimism and I really dont see any path to victory working through the political system like many of u guys do. I remember getting really mad when people like Stefan were saying this during the 2007 campaign and I really hated him for it. But I have come to understand where he was coming from.

    So, I will make an effort not to use "we" anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    The Globalist Left is the #1 threat to USA as a country.




    Can't argue with that.




    Were they ever serious about it?
    For decades I told people they were not serious about it . Everyone knows it now .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

    You are suggesting that we not speak up "when they come for the communists", how did that work out last time?
    We must defend our enemies rights or we will wake up to find we have none.
    Well, I am not advocating for doing nothing. All I am saying is that one should not join a side in their pretend battles. If I can throw in a sucker punch at one member of the elite while they are busy fighting, I say u do it. I am not interested in bandaging Alex's wounds, he is staggered, he is reeling and bleeding badly, I say u sit back and let him die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Well, I am not advocating for doing nothing. All I am saying is that one should not join a side in their pretend battles. If I can throw in a sucker punch at one member of the elite while they are busy fighting, I say u do it. I am not interested in bandaging Alex's wounds, he is staggered, he is reeling and bleeding badly, I say u sit back and let him die.
    No one wants you to attend some phony rally in Portland. Just keep your eyes on the big actors to appear. It's coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Well, I am not advocating for doing nothing. All I am saying is that one should not join a side in their pretend battles. If I can throw in a sucker punch at one member of the elite while they are busy fighting, I say u do it. I am not interested in bandaging Alex's wounds, he is staggered, he is reeling and bleeding badly, I say u sit back and let him die.
    And when we are done sitting back and letting the people you don't like die there will be nobody left to speak up for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    No one wants you to attend some phony rally in Portland. Just keep your eyes on the big actors to appear. It's coming.
    What are u talking about? what big actors? does this have any thing to do with Qanon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    What are u talking about? what big actors? does this have any thing to do with Qanon?
    No. Qanon is mostly fantasy. We're talking about the same elements that bring down foreign governments. The muscle for the corps.

    In the near future, there will be an inflection point of their choosing, where the opportunity to gobble up their enemies will occur. All these other concerns are foreplay to the final act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And when we are done sitting back and letting the people you don't like die there will be nobody left to speak up for us.

    When the last rights are gone and the devil turns round on you where will you hide?

    Technically, no laws have been broken. All we have here is a private company banning Alex Jones from their platform and I carefully I say this as someone who many people here would like to see disappeared from this private forum. But we as a society haven't actually come to that point where the govt banning Alex Jones from the internet and when that time comes, I would speak up for the right to free speech. Right now, no laws have been broken and I say "let him die".

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    I choose the free market.
    There is a market for alternative news. Obviously.
    Youtube, Twitter, Facebook, etc, are not the free market.
    There are, can be, and will be alternatives.
    Unless the government directly controls the webiverse.
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    I choose the way, the truth, and the life. (John 14:6)
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    Once you are rendered an unperson, you can be physically disappeared and very few will bat an eye. History tells us where this goes. This is extremely serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    No. Qanon is mostly fantasy. We're talking about the same elements that bring down foreign governments. The muscle for the corps.

    In the near future, there will be an inflection point of their choosing, where the opportunity to gobble up their enemies will occur. All these other concerns are foreplay to the final act.
    Wow, so u sniffed out that rubbish conspiracy. +rep just for that.

    I hope u are right cos we(as a society) need a hail mary pass to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Technically, no laws have been broken. All we have here is a private company banning Alex Jones from their platform and I carefully I say this as someone who many people here would like to see disappeared from this private forum. But we as a society haven't actually come to that point where the govt banning Alex Jones from the internet and when that time comes, I would speak up for the right to free speech. Right now, no laws have been broken and I say "let him die".
    It begins with the "private" corporations in bed with government and if they get away with it they move on to actual government action, we must privately punish the "private" corporations for starting this speech war to nip it in the bud, it doesn't matter that they started with Jones, the proof of that is that they are already hitting everyone else that is to the right of Hitlery, we must make it unacceptable to move the boundaries of censorable speech so far on platforms that profess to be neutral.
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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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